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Cont: Musk buys Twitter II

Samson said:
Elon Musk has declared his position on freedom of speech in a new X


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1764017231615156671?t=H_lA7G6laEh5hEC5eq-blA&s=19

Laudable. I can't fault this. The problem is the speed with which the laws of the countries are eliminating such freedom. Ireland is a trail blazer.
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I am not sure how that is enforced, and if it is enforced the way it sounds then it is not laudable.

Let’s say he releases it in Saudi Arabia or India and the governments want opposition suppressed. Does he do that for the governments of those countries? If so, it is not laudable at all.

Here’s the thing, social media platforms don’t need to have the same standards as governments. They need to allow exchange of ideas but stop the site becoming a sewer which will drive away the all but the most toxic posters.
 
angrysoba said:
I am not sure how that is enforced, and if it is enforced the way it sounds then it is not laudable.

Let’s say he releases it in Saudi Arabia or India and the governments want opposition suppressed. Does he do that for the governments of those countries? If so, it is not laudable at all.

Here’s the thing, social media platforms don’t need to have the same standards as governments. They need to allow exchange of ideas but stop the site becoming a sewer which will drive away the all but the most toxic posters.
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I saw his post and thought it concise and no doubt carefully made. After posting I considered it is not as helpful as it seems, for reasons you suggest.
Still it is hardly accidental, so well worth considering in all its tautological glory.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
Too late for that. The lies are already out there and Twitter X can't stop them. 45% of the US wants these lies to be true. Another 45% wants a different set of lies to be true. Only about 10% are interested in the truth, wherever that sits.
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Not really all that convinced here, really.

Roger Ramjets said:
Assuming you recall correctly, those previous reviews obviously didn't do the job.
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How could they do a job like that? Those not convinced are generally not convinced because they're not hearing what they want to hear. This pattern happens over and over and over. ACORN comes to mind as a prime example.
1. Heavily edited and misleading video hit job gets released.
2. Right wingers go crazy because it feeds their preferred narrative.
3. ACORN gets subjected to a huge number of independent investigations.
4. All investigations find that ACORN is innocent. That the video is dishonestly manipulated is also pretty well established.
5. ACORN got defunded anyways and right wingers can still be found repeating false narratives about it. The makers of the dishonestly manipulated video have been cited by right wingers on these forums as doing good work and being very credible a number of times for similar BS.

Hardly the only case like that, but that's pretty much what went on here, too. Thus, naturally, you blame the previous reviews, when their only fault was not pointedly lying and thus not telling the narrative promoters what they wanted to hear. This is not a mark in favor of your supposed support for truth or free speech.


Roger Ramjets said:
BTW guess who are the most followed accounts on X?

#1. Elon Musk with 170 million followers
#2. Barack Obama with 132 million

#9. Donald J Trump 87 million

Unfortunately 70% of Musk's followers 'may be' bots, while Obama 'only' attracts 40%. So in terms of 'real' followers, Obama is probably the most 'popular' X account.

Hmm, seems X is not the den of MAGAts some people would have us believe (but even if it is, so what?).
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Was this an attempt to address the point I made about how right wingers are given structural advantages, where I was referring to things like how the algorithms favored them even then, a strawman, or just some general tangent with little to do with what I said?
 
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varwoche said:
Highly disingenuous, seeing as you already waved off incontrovertible evidence having to do with Media Matters. That's just one of several instances of Musk's free speech hypocrisy that’s been posted to this thread.
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Here is the thing.
There are countless people with mainstream views that Jack Dorsey banned, then Elon Musk welcomed back.
He bought the company to allow main stream views back into the public discourse.
Raking the coals of the media matters debacle obfuscates the fundamental concerns of the free speech unions around the world. I am particularly interested in the New Zealand free speech union. They have prevented doxxings by fast and aggressive actions. It is vital that people in the internet age can be anonymous, because they are raising children which is expensive, and have mortgages that are expensive. Most people here float way above the common plebiscite with no mortal concerns.
Losing jobs because people violate Jack Dorseys rules is a slug in the guts, and destroys families.
 
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Gosh, I'd HATE to grow up in a place where I get my food, clothes and education for free! Where someone else pays when I have to go to the doctor! A nightmare where I get free presents at Birthday and Christmas, and even Vacations, when I don't even work!
In some places, this Communist Dystopia is called a Family.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Gosh, I'd HATE to grow up in a place where I get my food, clothes and education for free! Where someone else pays when I have to go to the doctor! A nightmare where I get free presents at Birthday and Christmas, and even Vacations, when I don't even work!
In some places, this Communist Dystopia is called a Family.
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Sounds like a teenager's dream.
 
Lplus said:
I suppose for some teenagers it's even a reality: and then they have to grow up and leave the nest.
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I think you are dreaming yourself.

What kind of income would a teenager need to receive to pay for everything on that list and still have enough time to study for a better job in the future?
Who would pay an untrained teenager that sort of money?

And, more importantly, why are you giving the freeloading 12, 10, 8, 6 and 4 year olds a pass?
They could be working in the mines or at least carry water to the workers, but because they are slightly younger, they get everything for free.

You are clearly a Communist.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I think you are dreaming yourself.

What kind of income would a teenager need to receive to pay for everything on that list and still have enough time to study for a better job in the future?
Who would pay an untrained teenager that sort of money?

And, more importantly, why are you giving the freeloading 12, 10, 8, 6 and 4 year olds a pass?
They could be working in the mines or at least carry water to the workers, but because they are slightly younger, they get everything for free.

You are clearly a Communist.
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It takes one to know one.:D
 
Samson said:
Here is the thing.
There are countless people with mainstream views that Jack Dorsey banned, then Elon Musk welcomed back.
He bought the company to allow main stream views back into the public discourse.
Raking the coals of the media matters debacle obfuscates the fundamental concerns of the free speech unions around the world. I am particularly interested in the New Zealand free speech union. They have prevented doxxings by fast and aggressive actions. It is vital that people in the internet age can be anonymous, because they are raising children which is expensive, and have mortgages that are expensive. Most people here float way above the common plebiscite with no mortal concerns.
Losing jobs because people violate Jack Dorseys rules is a slug in the guts, and destroys families.
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I just ran this disjointed rambling through a Samsonese to English translator:
It's OK to suppress speech when it's meanies being mean to Elon Musk.​
 
varwoche said:
I just ran this disjointed rambling through a Samsonese to English translator:
It's OK to suppress speech when it's meanies being mean to Elon Musk.​
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I asked Copilot what the text means:

- The text supports Elon Musk's decision to buy Twitter and allow more diverse views on the platform.
- The text criticizes Jack Dorsey's decision to ban people with mainstream views from Twitter.
- The text accuses the media of ignoring the importance of free speech and focusing on a report by Media Matters that showed ads next to pro-Nazi posts on the platform.
- The text admires the New Zealand Free Speech Union, a group that defends and promotes freedom of speech and opposes censorship and hate speech laws.
- The text argues that anonymity is vital for people who express their opinions online, because they face the risk of losing their jobs and families if they violate Jack Dorsey's rules.
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So found one legitimate use of Copilot AI!

It is as I said - Samson supports Nazis spreading their filth on X, and those Nazis should be allowed to remain anonymous to avoid consequences for spreading their dangerous and murderous filth.
 
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Darat said:
I asked Copilot what the text means:



So found one legitimate use of Copilot AI!

It is as I said - Samson supports Nazis spreading their filth on X, and those Nazis should be allowed to remain anonymous to avoid consequences for spreading their dangerous and murderous filth.
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If I am allowed to reply, my position is

Hitler bad.
Stalin bad.
Putin bad.
Xi Peng bad.
Musk good.
 
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Samson said:
If I am allowed to reply, my position is

Hitler bad.
Stalin bad.
Putin bad.
Xi Peng bad.
Musk good.
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What is Musk good at? His kowtowing to the Saudis and others show's he's no good at freedom of speech and the constant NUDES IN BIO spam shows he's no good at removing bots and the loss in ad revenue shows he's no good at running Twitter

Relatedly, his recent comment that NATO was formed as a response to the Warsaw Pact shows he's no good at understanding the flow of time

So what exactly is he good at Samson?
 
Musk is good because he is putting total surveillance on what people do online and where they go in their car - or stopping their car from working at all, or have it drive somewhere where he wants, not where you want you to go.
And, of course, he is putting microchips into people's heads to even control their thoughts and emotions.

that means that Musk is Jesus, not the other guy, right?
 
Samson said:
If I am allowed to reply, my position is

Hitler bad.
Stalin bad.
Putin bad.
Xi Peng bad.
Musk good.
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of course you’re allowed to reply, but you never address criticism of your position or defend your statements so i don’t know why you bother
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Musk is good because he is putting total surveillance on what people do online and where they go in their car - or stopping their car from working at all, or have it drive somewhere where he wants, not where you want you to go.
And, of course, he is putting microchips into people's heads to even control their thoughts and emotions.

that means that Musk is Jesus, not the other guy, right?
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Bill Gates similarly is good because he is putting total surveillance on what people do online.
Windows is now policed for personal views, and your computer can be switched off by microsoft. However because Musk states this it will be false.
He Xed this two days ago if you missed it, with a screen shot of Billy's plan, but it will be disinformation as Musk is bad.
 
Samson said:
Bill Gates similarly is good because he is putting total surveillance on what people do online. Windows is now policed for personal views, and your computer can be switched off by microsoft. However because Musk states this it will be false.
He Xed this two days ago if you missed it, with a screen shot of Billy's plan, but it will be disinformation as Musk is bad.
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If Musk actually believes this, he's bat **** crazy. However I suspect you've extrapolated based on something he's said that is less unhinged.

By all means, prove me wrong.
 
"Just bought a new PC laptop and it won’t let me use it unless I create a Microsoft account, which also means giving their AI access to my computer! This is messed up.

There used to be an option to skip signing into or creating a Microsoft account.

Are you seeing this too?"


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1761835728000954654?t=7Zksico7txFGUGpetiAjiQ&s=19

There followed a screen shot of Microsoft policy, will try to find.
 
Samson said:
Bill Gates similarly is good because he is putting total surveillance on what people do online.
Windows is now policed for personal views, and your computer can be switched off by microsoft. However because Musk states this it will be false.
He Xed this two days ago if you missed it, with a screen shot of Billy's plan, but it will be disinformation as Musk is bad.
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I’ve looked at his X feed, and there’s nothing about that. Was it in reply to someone?

And would it kill you to post a link?
 
Samson said:
"Just bought a new PC laptop and it won’t let me use it unless I create a Microsoft account, which also means giving their AI access to my computer! This is messed up.

There used to be an option to skip signing into or creating a Microsoft account.

Are you seeing this too?"


https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1761835728000954654?t=7Zksico7txFGUGpetiAjiQ&s=19

There followed a screen shot of Microsoft policy, will try to find.
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How to set up Windows without a Microsoft Account: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account

Took me a second to find that. What exactly is Musk good at Samson?
 
Manger Douse said:
How to set up Windows without a Microsoft Account: https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/install-windows-11-without-microsoft-account

Took me a second to find that. What exactly is Musk good at Samson?
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Seem to be work arounds to be sure, but most people won't bother. There was more I can't find for now, except it had social rules that were Californian driven, where Microsoft can switch you off.
Musk has a biography out, I will purchase it, read it and report back. He seems good at breeding for example.
 
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Samson said:
Seem to be work arounds to be sure, but most people won't bother. There was more I can't find for now, except it had social rules that were Californian driven, where Microsoft can switch you off.
Musk has a biography out, I will purchase it, read it and report back. He seems good at breeding for example.
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Most people aren't tech geniuses taking us to Mars as Musk claims to be - why couldn't the he do a simple Google search Samson?
 
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