Iran War in Prophecy

[Davidjayjordan]

Because a war with Iran is needed to bring the whole world into desperately searching for a COVENANT to bring the world back from a near WW3. Maybe we can discuss why the upcoming Iranian War is being set up and then discuss its ramifications even as it is going on.

So to start, the powers that be always need an excuse to go to war..

And so surely this could be that excuse as posted today..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/ap_on_re_eu/british_troops_iran

LONDON - Iranian naval vessels seized 15 British sailors in Iraqi waters on Friday, the Ministry of Defense said.
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The British Navy personnel were "engaged in routine boarding operations of merchant shipping in Iraqi territorial waters," and had completed their inspection of a merchant ship when they were accosted by Iranian vessels, the ministry said.
"We are urgently pursuing this matter with the Iranian authorities at the highest level and ... the Iranian ambassador has been summoned to the Foreign Office," the ministry said. Pentagon official said the Britons were in two inflatable boats from the frigate H.M.S. Cornwall during a routine smuggling investigation, said the official, who spoke on condition on anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the incident.
He said the confrontation happened as the British contingent was traveling along the boundary of territorial waters between Iraq. They were detained by the Revolutionary Guard's navy, he said.
A fisherman who said he was with a group of Iraqis from the southern city of Basra fishing in Iraqi waters in the northern area of the Gulf said he saw the Iranian seizure. The fisherman declined to be identified because of security concerns.
"Two boats, each with a crew of six to eight multinational forces, were searching Iraqi and Iranian boats Friday morning in Ras al-Beesha area in the northern entrance of the Arab Gulf, but big Iranian boats came and took the two boats with their crews to the Iranian waters."
The Britain government said it had demanded "the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment."

And it just so happens by luck and chance the Americans have their air craft carriers in place..... or was it by design... for their comrades the British

 

[MRC_Hans]

What was the prophecy, again? Please be quite specific.

Hans

 

[Athyrio]

So to start, the powers that be always need an excuse to go to war..

And so surely this could be that excuse as posted today..

If i had known that DJJ was going to absolutely soil his nappies over this one, i would have posted my reply here rather than in the thread where he first mentioned it.

So pardon my spam.


Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan in the Prophecy Timeline Thread
This appears to be the set-up excuse to go to war with Iran..



Hey, are we making a prediction here?

Bear in mind, the Iranians detained 8 British crewmen for 3 days in June 2004 before releasing them. You are just so, so anxious to be correct for a change.

It is a satisfying feeling, one that has eluded you for your entire existence.

Even if the USA does have a shooting match with Iran, it does not mean that 10 nations will sign a peace treaty, that the temple will suddenly be rebuilt, flying saucers will suddenly invade, or that men will shoot fire out of their mouths.
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[RenaissanceBiker]

Because a war with Iran is needed to bring the whole world into desperately searching for a COVENANT to bring the world back from a near WW3.

I disagree with the PREMISE of your arguement. Prophesy is irrelevant.

 

[Apathia]

With a little bit of luck, Providence will intervene and there will be a war with Iran. The US will become involved to hasten the return of Christ.
David is not the only prophecy pundant predicting a war with Iran. A quick Google shows a number of them not on the same page as David but the same drift. So imagine if our Fundy President decides that he's the "decider" who will help fulfill the prophicies. His policies regarding Israel amd Palestine are already in part shaped by his religion. I wonder if Dubya is reading this stuff.
Say it isn't so!

 

[Davidjayjordan]

What was the prophecy, again? Please be quite specific.

Hans

This is not a specific prophecy, but a logical rational spiritual deductive one....as even non prophetic types should be able to see it coming.

The Covenant is the basic of all End Time Prophecy and it will only be convened when TEN nations get so desperate that they force a PEACE COVENANT and all combatants. It is military, economic and political... and brings together all sides the Jews, Muslims and Christians, so that the oil can flow and the countries can exist, and the religionists can abide together.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/Danieltimeline.html

So thanks for the introductory question.... even though surely you didn;t want my introductory answer

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I disagree with the PREMISE of your arguement. Prophesy is irrelevant.

Yes, I agree renaissance Biker, your prophecy is surely irrelevant, but the Lord's Prophecy which is unconditional is NOT. For there is a design to life and a plot and a climax...and this fanale is not conditional but set in stone or let;s say in words and events.

But if you want to believe you can ride your bike into the sunset without thinking about the Iranian war, so be it. The Iranian War is still a coming.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

If i had known that DJJ was going to absolutely soil his nappies over this one, i would have posted my reply here rather than in the thread where he first mentioned it.

So pardon my spam.


Originally Posted by Davidjayjordan [URL]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/helloworld2/buttons/viewpost.gif[/URL]in the Prophecy Timeline Thread
This appears to be the set-up excuse to go to war with Iran..



Hey, are we making a prediction here?

Bear in mind, the Iranians detained 8 British crewmen for 3 days in June 2004 before releasing them. You are just so, so anxious to be correct for a change.

It is a satisfying feeling, one that has eluded you for your entire existence.

Even if the USA does have a shooting match with Iran, it does not mean that 10 nations will sign a peace treaty, that the temple will suddenly be rebuilt, flying saucers will suddenly invade, or that men will shoot fire out of their mouths.
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Bjorn Bjorn Bjorn..... still doubting, the obvious. I mean anyone with half a brain and a little common sense knows the US/Britian and Israel are and have been planning this war for years. I mean the current events brethren know it just from the logistics and economics and the dementia of these countries. They need another war to divert the attention of their complacent stus quo masses from getting away from the wars, that have made their rich soooo much richer.

But there are greater powers than mere countries...and again you loyal citizens of the status quo shall balk and scream that no one is above the duly elected figure heads like Dubya....

So Thus saith DJJ, obviously a war in Iran is coming and the ships are in position, the excuse just needs to be inflated, and the War of Tonkin excuse plopy forgotten as escalation brings on the planned war with Iran.

And it just so happens to have been at the straits, giving America and ALL and excuse to try and secure the straits for their prize... the flow of oil.

But it shall not be... for the Lord is allowing His prophecy to go on, as war is needed to bring on the Covenant.... and then even the Palestinian problem can be part and parcel of the solution, and then israel can gain access to the Mount, and then build its 3rd temple.

Onward Christian prophecy and soldiers marching as to war.

But the complacent and lazy and sloughful and the false skeptics will remain so, but the true skeptics will look for answers and be forewarned..

 

[Darth Rotor]

Because a war with Iran is needed to bring the whole world into desperately searching for a COVENANT to bring the world back from a near WW3.

The world does not need a war to prevent a World War III, David, and it surely does not need more war in the Persian Gulf. For one thing, it would jack the price of oil up for a while, and thus put a curb on the global economy. Who gets pinched hardest when that happens? The little guy.

Maybe we can discuss why the upcoming Iranian War is being set up and then discuss its ramifications even as it is going on.

I suggest to you that the Russians have cock blocked the Cheney/Bush agenda to begin bombing Iran, if it is more than a bluff, with their recent freeze on shipping nuclear fuel to Iran, and their strong arm move to force Mahmoud and his team of 38 to the UNSC for more work on development of their (allegedly) peaceful, electrical power generating nuclear plants.

Russia has informed Iran that it will withhold nuclear fuel for Iran’s nearly completed Bushehr power plant unless Iran suspends its uranium enrichment as demanded by the United Nations Security Council, European, American and Iranian officials said.

The ultimatum was delivered in Moscow last week by Igor Ivanov, Russia’s Security Council Secretary, to Ali Hosseini Tash, Iran’s deputy chief nuclear negotiator, said the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because a confidential diplomatic exchange between two governments was involved.

For years, President Bush has been pressing President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia to cut off help to Iran on the nuclear reactor, which is Tehran’s first serious effort to produce nuclear energy and has been highly profitable for Russia. But Mr. Putin has resisted.

Recently, however, Moscow and Tehran have been engaged in a public argument about whether Iran has paid its bills, in a dispute that may explain Russia’s apparent shift. The ultimatum may also reflect Moscow’s increasing displeasure and frustration with Iran over its refusal to stop enriching uranium at its vast facility at Natanz.

So to start, the powers that be always need an excuse to go to war..

And so surely this could be that excuse as posted today..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070323/ap_on_re_eu/british_troops_iran

Bullspit. Just under three years ago, something similar happened. June of 2004, while I was over in that part of the world. It was quite the to do for a few days, and then it all got sorted out diplomatically.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-06-21-iran_x.htm
Basically, Brits patrolling for smugglers and infiltrators near the Shatt Al Arab were taken into custody by Iranian forces, and after some days of negotiation, were returned to the British forces in the region.

The process for sorting this sort of thing out is already in place. This incident on the high seas is not the Danzig incident.

And it just so happens by luck and chance the Americans have their air craft carriers in place..... or was it by design... for their comrades the British

The carriers have been in place for some weeks, partly as a show of force aimed at Iran, partly to support the surge into Baghdad with more air support, and partly as forces on hand in case a strike on Iran is ordered . . . for no reason a rational person can support.

DR

 

[cyborg]

Predicting war in the Middle East?

Well, that would be unexpected.

 

[Thomas1016]

Prophecy aside a war with Iran is all but inevitable since the Iranian leadership seeks a return of a quasi persian empire. The diffrence being now though instead of actually conquering land like King Xerxes did Iran seeks to be like the United States so to speak (exerting it's influence) in the Middle East only doing it through threats, religeous undermining, and terrorism. this time though where xerxes was motivated by power mainly Iran today is motivated by power and religeous extremism the latter being much more dangerous.

Watch I bet the taking of the 15 british soldiers is calculated to try and force the United States to return the revelutionary guard commanders it captured in Iraq. If the United States doesnt give in then I'm sure it will cause more friction with the british public. The danger to Iran though is this could escalate into somthing much bigger giving Israel or bush the needed cover to take out Irans nuclear facilities. Personaly I think the United States would prefere to have Israel take them out. no matter what though a war is coming and there is a very real possiblity of it turning nuclear.

 

[Athyrio]

Bjorn Bjorn Bjorn..... still doubting, the obvious. I mean anyone with half a brain and a little common sense knows the US/Britian and Israel are and have been planning this war for years.

And once again, DJJ fails to understand a post. That's the difference between teaching and preaching. You are so, so trying to get your message of nonsense out that you fail to absorb what is being said to you. Try reading, Jordan, for a change. Reports of your lack of the ability to comprehend are greatly underemphasized.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Prophecy aside a war with Iran is all but inevitable since the Iranian leadership seeks a return of a quasi persian empire. The diffrence being now though instead of actually conquering land like King Xerxes did Iran seeks to be like the United States so to speak (exerting it's influence) in the Middle East only doing it through threats, religeous undermining, and terrorism. this time though where xerxes was motivated by power mainly Iran today is motivated by power and religeous extremism the latter being much more dangerous.

Watch I bet the taking of the 15 british soldiers is calculated to try and force the United States to return the revelutionary guard commanders it captured in Iraq. If the United States doesnt give in then I'm sure it will cause more friction with the british public. The danger to Iran though is this could escalate into somthing much bigger giving Israel or bush the needed cover to take out Irans nuclear facilities. Personaly I think the United States would prefere to have Israel take them out. no matter what though a war is coming and there is a very real possiblity of it turning nuclear.

A load of bollocks, with the exception of the bolded part, which I'll bet with you on, though I'm not 100% sure. Please see my link to the capture of Brits in 2004 in similar circumstances.

The rest, I bet against, as it is cartoon geopolitical analysis, particularly the nuclear gambit.

DR

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

Yes, I agree renaissance Biker, your prophecy is surely irrelevant, but the Lord's Prophecy which is unconditional is NOT. For there is a design to life and a plot and a climax...and this fanale is not conditional but set in stone or let;s say in words and events.

But if you want to believe you can ride your bike into the sunset without thinking about the Iranian war, so be it. The Iranian War is still a coming.

I didn't make a prophesy, you did. I didn't deny that a war with Iran is coming. It is possible, but no one knows for certain about that not even you. When you put words in my mouth, you end up arguing with yourself. For example:

Davidjayjordan, how do you reconcile your admitted homosexuality with your christian belief that homosexuality is a mortal sin? Shouldn't you stop sinning (being a homosexual) before demanding that others do? Why do you feel it is okay for you to be a practicing homosexual, but not others?

 

[cyborg]

Davidjayjordan, how do you reconcile your admitted homosexuality with your christian belief that homosexuality is a mortal sin? Shouldn't you stop sinning (being a homosexual) before demanding that others do? Why do you feel it is okay for you to be a practicing homosexual, but not others?

He has buttsex so we don't have to.

 

[Thomas1016]

A load of bollocks, with the exception of the bolded part, which I'll bet with you on, though I'm not 100% sure. Please see my link to the capture of Brits in 2004 in similar circumstances.[/URL]

The rest, I bet against, as it is cartoon geopolitical analysis, particularly the nuclear gambit.

DR

So you don't believe that Iran has any intentions of exerting influence over the middle east useing the means that I described before?

 

[strathmeyer]

This is not a specific prophecy, but a logical rational spiritual deductive one....as even non prophetic types should be able to see it coming.

How can we tell non prophetic types from prophetic types? Perhaps you shouldn't write sentences where you don't understand half the words.

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Lets use true skepticism rather than just loyality and servitude to Western Masters and their figure head leaders.

Do little inflatables loaded with soldiers vary far from protective bigger military vessels when inspecting suspected terrorist ships..... Hmmm the answer NO.

Then why was the Iranian navy able to surround them so easily without resistance... Hmm because they were sent into Iranian waters to be sheep for the slaughter as the superiors knew the navy would react and protect their territorial waters.

Hmm so was this a possible set-up. Yes.... as inflatables aren't sent long distances from their back ups when boarding suspect ships. These British soldiers were expendables and sent as 'sheep to the slaughter' to escalate
the Iranian conflict.

And so you can bet the British were in Iranian waters...as Iran has pointed out.

Was their leader A... able to speak to the UN... Hmmm NO the US wouldn;t give visas for his palne's personnel. Were more sanctions passed against Iran... YES, how convenient, the excalation continues.

But do these details matter once the war gets underway, NO everyone will forget whos to blame as the war for oil rages, and all parties have to stick to party lines, and almost WW3 erupts, but the Peace Covenant by the Prince of the Covenant saves the Day, and then 10 countries sign its military, political religious agreements.

But do realise both sides are controlled, both sides are run by the same folks, the Masters that are to rule the earth, as their time of control is COMING. (2012)

When the Iranian War happens, sooner rather than later, but it will culminate in the long awaited Covenant of Daniel.

(There;s lots of current event hyperlinks on this, so just do the research)

 

[Davidjayjordan]

I didn't make a prophesy, you did. I didn't deny that a war with Iran is coming. It is possible, but no one knows for certain about that not even you. When you put words in my mouth, you end up arguing with yourself. For example:

Davidjayjordan, how do you reconcile your admitted homosexuality with your christian belief that homosexuality is a mortal sin? Shouldn't you stop sinning (being a homosexual) before demanding that others do? Why do you feel it is okay for you to be a practicing homosexual, but not others?

Biker, try the thread 'Jesus created Sex' concerning your sexual issues..... but better yet start a new thread...as that one concerns the Creator of Sex.

Got to get you going down the right road of discovery

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Hey, are we making a prediction here?

Bear in mind, the Iranians detained 8 British crewmen for 3 days in June 2004 before releasing them. You are just so, so anxious to be correct for a change.

It is a satisfying feeling, one that has eluded you for your entire existence.

Even if the USA does have a shooting match with Iran, it does not mean that 10 nations will sign a peace treaty, that the temple will suddenly be rebuilt, flying saucers will suddenly invade, or that men will shoot fire out of their mouths.
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Bjorn, at least you show comprehension and you do have a memory, which is more than I can say for most... as you do understand the sequence of events rather well. I must have taught you well.

So now when a Covenant is signed, you think a little about the Lord's Prophecy. But when it is signed by exactly ten countries, you get centered on the absolute fantastic odds that this could have been FOREtold. And then when the Jewish temple is built within a 220-260 day span so that they have sacrificing before the Temple, then you absolutely KNOW by the mathematical odds that the Lord's Prophecy is true. And hence, your search starts in earnest, if it isn;t too late, and your heart and mind aren;t tooo far gone.

Hope you make it Bjorn ...

 

[Hokulele]

And when none of the above happens exactly, will you hang your head in shame and scurry off to recreate your false prophecies yet again?

 

[Ex-drone]

A good scientific hypothesis is falsifiable. It is a condition that makes it a potentially useful means of garnering knowledge rather than just a trivial statement. Similarly, a confidently made prophesy should be falsifiable. What event or events in the next few months would indicate that your prophesy is wrong?

 

[Davidjayjordan]

A good scientific hypothesis is falsifiable. It is a condition that makes it a potentially useful means of garnering knowledge rather than just a trivial statement. Similarly, a confidently made prophesy should be falsifiable. What event or events in the next few months would indicate that your prophesy is wrong?

Actually I can ask which events that happen in sequence will it take to prove that the Lord's prophecy is true ?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander ...

For Yes, the upcoming Iranian War is a no brainer, even though the no brainers deny it.

As mentioned a current events person can see it coming miles away. But seeing how it fits into the Illuminati's ultimate goal of world power, takes a little knowledge of the Lord's Prophecy. Because He allows them this time of complete control of the earth, starting in 2012 as all the dark side forces KNOW.

Ha, for even seeing that coming isn;t that diffciult now !!! And yet the deniers deny.

So the odds of a Iranian War, then Covenant, then Temple building are astronomical..... and so should give people FAITH for they heard it far in advance.... but some just prefer denying even after the FACT that prophecy has been fulFILLED.

Got fo fly

 

[Hokulele]

DJJ, you just completely avoided answering Ex-Drone's question. None of that had any relevancy.

 

[Athyrio]

So now when a Covenant is signed, you think a little about the Lord's Prophecy. But when it is signed by exactly ten countries, you get centered on the absolute fantastic odds that this could have been FOREtold. And then when the Jewish temple is built within a 220-260 day span so that they have sacrificing before the Temple, then you absolutely KNOW by the mathematical odds that the Lord's Prophecy is true. And hence, your search starts in earnest, if it isn;t too late, and your heart and mind aren;t tooo far gone.

Jordan, that is painting one's self into a very tight corner. You are too easy to find on the web. If you are not still posting here in 2009, i will find you wherever your ego takes you and remind you of these days.

 

[jsfisher]

Jordan, that is painting one's self into a very tight corner. You are too easy to find on the web. If you are not still posting here in 2009, i will find you wherever your ego takes you and remind you of these days.

Oh, come on. All that is required is to convert the span of 220 or so days to an equivalent number of weeks. Then, as we all know, 1 week = 7 years, so he's got plenty of room to adjust and delay.

 

[dglas]

So, DJJ, do you live for the ecstatic "Wow! I was right!" moment that just never seems to come? Tell me, does a little part of you die every time one of the prophesies of universal doom, despair, suffering and death fail to occur, or do you just rationalize your way around them ...every!...single!...time! in eager anticipation of the next opportunity to get ready for the sanctimonious "See! I told you so!" moment.

Will you be awash in rapture-ready, orgasmic, self-congratulatory glee if you actually get to see billions of people die? Will that be a moment of ecstatic joy for you? Is that the be-all and end-all of your being and existence? Is that really what you live your life for?

Is that all you have to offer?

Honestly, I wonder what it's like to live from this end-o'-the-world^tm to that end-o'-the-world^tm. Do you feel cheated? Or are you attracted to the never-ending self-righteousness of never being taken seriously? Do you imagine that, in some vague way, this makes you superior - more in tune with a non-existent divine - than the rest of us mere humans, you know the ones you so earnestly wish to see dead?

Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[Kopji]

Lets use true skepticism rather than just loyality and servitude to Western Masters and their figure head leaders.

Do little inflatables loaded with soldiers vary far from protective bigger military vessels when inspecting suspected terrorist ships..... Hmmm the answer NO.

Then why was the Iranian navy able to surround them so easily without resistance... Hmm because they were sent into Iranian waters to be sheep for the slaughter as the superiors knew the navy would react and protect their territorial waters.

You are just not thinking this through. There was one UK vessel 'not very far', the HMS Cornwall. The hard bottom zodiac boats have a range of many miles, and were escorted into Iranian waters fairly quickly. Are you proposing that the HMS Cornwall should have attacked Iranian ships in their own waters? That seems irrational.

Also, the capturing boats were not part of the regular Iranian Navy, but troops of the Revolutionary Guard:

Iran's Revolutionary Guard naval corps, which operates separately from Iran's navy, was involved in the detention of the British service members, U.S. officials said...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/23/AR2007032300574.html

Hmm so was this a possible set-up. Yes.... as inflatables aren't sent long distances from their back ups when boarding suspect ships. These British soldiers were expendables and sent as 'sheep to the slaughter' to escalate the Iranian conflict.

And so you can bet the British were in Iranian waters...as Iran has pointed out.

How does represent a skeptical pov? You are taking the word of a group like the Revolutionary Guard? And an escalation of the conflict did not really serve the Iranians very well, pending a vote over sanctions in the UN. Your 'skepticism' is proposing that the UK sacrificed 15 of their soldiers, when a far simpler answer exists. It seems almost racist to presume the Iranians are completely stupid and easily manipulated by our superior western minds.

Was their leader A... able to speak to the UN... Hmmm NO the US wouldn;t give visas for his palne's personnel. Were more sanctions passed against Iran... YES, how convenient, the excalation continues.

But do these details matter once the war gets underway, NO everyone will forget whos to blame as the war for oil rages, and all parties have to stick to party lines, and almost WW3 erupts, but the Peace Covenant by the Prince of the Covenant saves the Day, and then 10 countries sign its military, political religious agreements.

But do realise both sides are controlled, both sides are run by the same folks, the Masters that are to rule the earth, as their time of control is COMING. (2012)

Your point makes itself. Nobody will remember why the shooting starts. So what was the purpose of this sacrifice again?

There will be no great hero descending from the skies to save anyone, only conflagration - nuclear or otherwise. Perhaps Jerusalem and the temple mount will be a large crater, radioactive and uninhabitable for decades to come. But that couldn't happen, because after all, the prophecies will not allow that to happen.

When the Iranian War happens, sooner rather than later, but it will culminate in the long awaited Covenant of Daniel.

(There;s lots of current event hyperlinks on this, so just do the research)

Iran is not Iraq. If the US gets upset about a few thousand dead soldiers in Iraq, what will the political response be to 50,000 dead? Millions of Iranian dead? Cities in Israel destroyed? War with Iran is insanity.

The difference between you and a real skeptic, and the danger you represent, is that you HOPE for a war. You WANT a war. War brings about this self fulling prophecy of destruction and rescue. Compromise is weakness and failure, it frustrates God's Will. If Armageddon occurs it will be because people who want it, believe in it, hope for it, finally make it come to pass. It is insanity.

 

[DoubtingStephen]

With a little bit of luck, Providence will intervene and there will be a war with Iran.

You say that you hope Providence will intervene, but what about Boston? It's
a much more famous city, where as with Providence singers have to mention explicitly that they mean the one in Rhode Island.

I'm familiar with both cities, having spent about a year working in each. Providence certainly is my favorite, better restaurants, friendlier people, and not all of the drivers are sociopaths.

How do you expect Providence to aggravate the situation? Holding back on steamers? Blockading bacon exports to Iran?

 

[Hokulele]

You say that you hope Providence will intervene, but what about Boston? It's
a much more famous city, where as with Providence singers have to mention explicitly that they mean the one in Rhode Island.

I'm familiar with both cities, having spent about a year working in each. Providence certainly is my favorite, better restaurants, friendlier people, and not all of the drivers are sociopaths.

How do you expect Providence to aggravate the situation? Holding back on steamers? Blockading bacon exports to Iran?

Quahogs.

 

[Apathia]

You say that you hope Providence will intervene, but what about Boston? It's
a much more famous city, where as with Providence singers have to mention explicitly that they mean the one in Rhode Island.

I'm familiar with both cities, having spent about a year working in each. Providence certainly is my favorite, better restaurants, friendlier people, and not all of the drivers are sociopaths.

How do you expect Providence to aggravate the situation? Holding back on steamers? Blockading bacon exports to Iran?

I was speaking of Providence, Utah. Don't underestimate the LDS influence!

 

[MRC_Hans]

This is not a specific prophecy, but a logical rational spiritual deductive one....as even non prophetic types should be able to see it coming.
*snip*
So thanks for the introductory question.... even though surely you didn;t want my introductory answer

Of course I wanted your answer. That is the purpose of asking questions.

"logical rational spiritual deductive".... We have a simpler term for that: A qualified guess. Sounds less fancy, I admit.

Anyhow, I think you are wrong. Not in that this might be used as a triggering event but in your assessement that the US and Brits are just waiting for an excuse to invade Iran. Things usually work the other way around: They will be looking for the time when they think it is time to invade, and then they'll pick whatever excuse available, or invent one.

However, I don't think the time is anytime soon. They have plenty on their hands as it is. Even if they wanted something to remove the attention from Iraq, invading Iran would hardly be expedient.

Hans

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

Biker, try the thread 'Jesus created Sex' concerning your sexual issues..... but better yet start a new thread...as that one concerns the Creator of Sex.

Got to get you going down the right road of discovery

I agree that you have sexual issues and that you need to get on the right road of discovery. This website is a good place to start learning how to go about the latter.

There is a chance that there will be a war with Iran in the near future, but I don't think it is as certain as you do. Where you disagree with most of the members of this board is your belief that this would fulfill some divine prophesy and bring about some supernatural event. That is so very unlikely that I think it would be irresponsible for us to act as if it may occur.

 

[Darth Rotor]

So you don't believe that Iran has any intentions of exerting influence over the middle east useing the means that I described before?

I don't much care for anyone who attempts to put words into my mouth. When you say to me "so you don't believe" you are attempting to manufacture my position with your words.

So, Iran tries to influence the geopolitics of the Middle East.

Yes.

Iran wants to join the nuclear club, as it brings status and a deterrent.

Yes.

Iran may wish to use nuclear arms as leverage in their geopolitical maneuverings.

Likely.

Iran wants nuclear energy for power.

Yes.

Israel didn't sign up to, and thus does not follow, NPT. Why should Iran?

If you were looking at it from the PoV of Teheran, how would you look at that last tidbit?

since the Iranian leadership seeks a return of a quasi persian empire

and

Iran today is motivated by power and religeous extremism the latter being much more dangerous.

Is this what you meant by

useing the means that I described before

Why Iran would not try to

1. Spread the Islamic revolution
2. Extend its influence (as it has with Hezbollah and into the Balkans when it supported Bosnian Muslims)
3. Grow at the expense of its neighbors.

Such aims and objectives are standard mid-level power ambition.

DR

 

[Darth Rotor]

Biker, try the thread 'Jesus created Sex' concerning your sexual issues . . . but better yet start a new thread . . . as that one concerns the Creator of Sex.

Got to get you going down the right dirt road of discovery

The spirit is willing, but the urge to be a smart alec is overwhelming.

DR

 

[Davidjayjordan]

So, DJJ, do you live for the ecstatic "Wow! I was right!" moment that just never seems to come? Tell me, does a little part of you die every time one of the prophesies of universal doom, despair, suffering and death fail to occur, or do you just rationalize your way around them ...every!...single!...time! in eager anticipation of the next opportunity to get ready for the sanctimonious "See! I told you so!" moment. (((And good to hear from you tooo . Nice introduction)))

Will you be awash in rapture-ready, orgasmic, self-congratulatory glee if you actually get to see billions of people die? (((NO a bttter world where love rules will BE.. But if you love this present hell on Earth, you better cling tightly to it... for it will get worse))) Will that be a moment of ecstatic joy for you? Is that the be-all and end-all of your being and existence? Is that really what you live your life for? (((Just the opposite, as I want all wrongs righted, and all tears dried, I want justice and love and real PEACE with no oppression and no conspiracies, but then again the majority HERE, think there are no conspiracies, and that the rich and pwoerful love them and always tell them the truth)))

Is that all you have to offer? (((Nope the solution, the peaceMAKER ... JESUS. Do you have a btter one ?)

Honestly, I wonder what it's like to live from this end-o'-the-world^tm to that end-o'-the-world^tm. Do you feel cheated? Or are you attracted to the never-ending self-righteousness of never being taken seriously? (((Do count to TEN... and get composed. This is your first post you know))) Do you imagine that, in some vague way, this makes you superior - more in tune with a non-existent divine - than the rest of us mere humans, you know the ones you so earnestly wish to see dead? (((Alive and thinking and progressing is what is hoped for, but all have to choose and we are all equal with Him, because none can compare to Him.... so lightne up and just learn some real prophecy and get your head together.... and do count to maybe twenty before posting again, or have a cold shower before writing. Thanks)))

Inquiring minds want to know...

(((Then a true skeptic and inquiring mind should study and research and consider...)))

 

[Davidjayjordan]

Of course I wanted your answer. That is the purpose of asking questions.

"logical rational spiritual deductive".... We have a simpler term for that: A qualified guess. Sounds less fancy, I admit.

Anyhow, I think you are wrong. Not in that this might be used as a triggering event but in your assessement that the US and Brits are just waiting for an excuse to invade Iran. Things usually work the other way around: They will be looking for the time when they think it is time to invade, and then they'll pick whatever excuse available, or invent one.

However, I don't think the time is anytime soon. They have plenty on their hands as it is. Even if they wanted something to remove the attention from Iraq, invading Iran would hardly be expedient.

Hans

Hans, can I suggest the seemingly impossible. There are greater powers than mere countries... False skeptics will howl when they hear the term Illuminati, 3000 club, and all those other names of their organizations, umbrella groups etc... but as the Good Lord said, the other side has been given this world, and will be allowed to take it totally by 2012, for three and a half years....

But forget that future prophecy for now, and just concentrate or consider the great possibility that both sides are in on this. Bioth sides being controlled, not just one side. This because true masters know the uncomplient must be brought to their knees to get all to bow.

So can I suggest that the timing is not governmental and mere political expediency of a coming election etc. etc... but a much more demented timetable where they have to get more and more power and control and riches and break more and more rebel factions as we go.....

This so a NWO can come about not a new world AMERCICA, because according to the Illuminati, they will sacrifice one of their own, for the greater goal..world domination and control. And the Lord's Prophecy, says the same thing that America will be no more.

All this suggesting that mere governments are pawns to a greater power..

But appreciate your sincere POSTING, yet allow me to differ slightly.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Hans, can I suggest the seemingly impossible. There are greater powers than mere countries... False skeptics will howl when they hear the term Illuminati, 3000 club, and all those other names of their organizations, umbrella groups etc... but as the Good Lord said, the other side has been given this world, and will be allowed to take it totally by 2012, for three and a half years....

I can't say what false skeptics will do, because I have not met such creatures. However, I guess we have all heard of these sinister organisations, which seem to be forever pulling strings without really accomplishing anything useful. Perhaps, if they exist at all, they are not quite as potent as soem would like us to believe?

As for the 2012 prophecy, we have had sooo many of those, and their times have come ang gone, and always the prophets have made a new appointment with destiny, a comfortable distance into the future, perchance in the hopes that when that time comes, and goes without fulfilment, most people shall have forgotten aboutthe prediction.

So, in the light of the above, you will excuse me if I'm not holding my breath for this one.

But forget that future prophecy for now, and just concentrate or consider the great possibility that both sides are in on this. Bioth sides being controlled, not just one side. This because true masters know the uncomplient must be brought to their knees to get all to bow.

Interesting scenario, but I am unable to observe such coordination in real-world events as one should expect in the case of some overall control. Instead we can observe exactly the the confusion and lack of coordination which one would expect from local, competing powers (i.e. governments).

So can I suggest that the timing is not governmental and mere political expediency of a coming election etc. etc... but a much more demented timetable where they have to get more and more power and control and riches and break more and more rebel factions as we go.....

You can suggest that, but please explain the apparant lack of success for this über-government. If they already have control over all the important governments of the world, what exactly are they waiting for?

This so a NWO can come about not a new world AMERCICA, because according to the Illuminati, they will sacrifice one of their own, for the greater goal..world domination and control. And the Lord's Prophecy, says the same thing that America will be no more.

The Lord's prophecy mentions America? Could you point me to relevant scripture, please?

All this suggesting that mere governments are pawns to a greater power..

To stay in the analogy, that greater power seems not very proficient at chess.

But appreciate your sincere POSTING, yet allow me to differ slightly.

You are welcome to both. If you were to look, you would notice that I'm usually sincere, at least per default.

Hans

 

[RenaissanceBiker]

The Lord's prophecy mentions America? Could you point me to relevant scripture, please?

I would like to see that as well.

 

[Glen.Nogami]

I am way too lazy to deal with DJJ tonight, so would someone please look up the scripture that's something about like this:

But if they say one thing that does not happen, then they are a false prophet, and probably should be put to death (knowing the laws books of The Bible).

Thanks,

Glen

ET Address the wider point: Nuclear war is an astoundingly unlikely thing. If Iran were to actually nuke someone (note they still don't have nuclear weapons), I think the consequences would be at least severely damaging, possibly permanently, to Iran as a country, and at most the consequences would themselves be nuclear. War? I think it's unlikely. The 2004 example is very convincing to me. It would be simply foolish of Iran to get into a war, seeing as either the UK or the US could take them, easily, without much difficulty at all. Ahmadinejad (please correct my spelling) is not a fool, I think.