WTC Dust Study Feb 29, 2012 by Dr. James Millette

[Gamolon]

Once the roof line started losing altitude, a sensor could signal the central controller which would activate the scripted pattern for the floor-by-floor core removals.

MM

Right. Floor by floor core removal.



I guess this part of the core WASN'T part of your "script".

 

[NoahFence]

Nano-thermite would be a useful means of inducing structural failure on the upper sections.

The sound of thermite's rocket-like flame would be quite unnoticeable against the cacaphony of noise surrounding it.

The toppling upper section of each tower must have created elevated noise levels.

The sound of sequenced detonations matching the collapse pattern of each tower matched our expectations.

It looked like the weight of each upper section was pile-driving the intact lower sections into the ground.

Once apparent global collapse initiation was under way, how would a triggered sequence program of core detonations have looked or sounded differently than what we've all seen...and heard?

Once the roof line started losing altitude, a sensor could signal the central controller which would activate the scripted pattern for the floor-by-floor core removals.

MM

You're still promoting that which is impossible?

 

[Gamolon]

Seconds after this molten stream halted, that corner failed and the WTC 2 topple began.

I guess you just blew Tony Szamboti's FOS baloney out of the water. Who knew? All they had to do was cut the corner of the perimeter columns and the whole top would come down!

 

[Gamolon]

The thermite that Dr. Millette failed to identify, was likely what caused the initial toppling in the WTC Twin Towers.

It is particularly noticeable in the WTC2 (South Tower) collapse.

As can be seen in the news videos, a steady stream of brightly glowing molten metal cascaded from a corner location.

Seconds after this molten stream halted, that corner failed and the WTC 2 topple began.

Getting back to your question, once the upper sections of WTC 1 and WTC 2 started to topple a background of destruction noise was generated that would easily disguise the additional noise created by igniting sequenced conventional explosives.

MM

This just gets better and better MM!

I think I am seeing the reason why nobody from the truther side has come forth with actual details as to how explosives/thermite were used.

So anyways...

Harrit's thermitic substance, which had thermtic reactions at 430C (806F), SURVIVED a plane smashing into the tower, jet fuel exploding, and then subsequent fires? How does a thin layer of thermitic material survive those temperatures to be used at a later time?

 

[Gamolon]

Nano-thermite would be a useful means of inducing structural failure on the upper sections.

The sound of thermite's rocket-like flame would be quite unnoticeable against the cacaphony of noise surrounding it.

The toppling upper section of each tower must have created elevated noise levels.

The sound of sequenced detonations matching the collapse pattern of each tower matched our expectations.

It looked like the weight of each upper section was pile-driving the intact lower sections into the ground.

Once apparent global collapse initiation was under way, how would a triggered sequence program of core detonations have looked or sounded differently than what we've all seen...and heard?

Once the roof line started losing altitude, a sensor could signal the central controller which would activate the scripted pattern for the floor-by-floor core removals.

MM

You've got a problem MM.

How does one corner's worth of columns cut by a thermitic substance on 1 or 2 floors produce this?

By virtue of its fact not referring to the 5.87% by mass Fe spheres he recorded found IN the Dust after the disintegration of the WTC Towers one, two and seven.

of energy producing this huge tonnage of Fe spheres

 

[Justin39640]

You've got a problem MM.

How does one corner's worth of columns cut by a thermitic substance on 1 or 2 floors produce this?

They were some thick ass corners!

 

[OCaptain]

The thermite that Dr. Millette failed to identify, was likely what caused the initial toppling in the WTC Twin Towers.

I love how - to MM - it's Millette's shortcoming that he did not confirm a fantasy!

When you type things like this, do you shake your fists in the air in rage?

Or do you sit quietly and whisper to yourself "there IS thermite there. There IS thermite there"?

 

[Gamolon]

They were some thick ass corners!

You know it! I just can't believe that I missed the fact the the majority of the FOS was in the four corners!

Who knew?!

 

[LSSBB]

I love how - to MM - it's Millette's shortcoming that he did not confirm a fantasy!

When you type things like this, do you shake your fists in the air in rage?

Or do you sit quietly and whisper to yourself "there IS thermite there. There IS thermite there"?

Belief is such a powerful thing.

It leads one to grasp the misinterpreted results of a poorly designed experiment, just because it fits your preconcieved notion of evil capitalists murdering thousands, to set up the invasion of...Afghanistan???

A properly designed experiment would have subjected a wide spectrum of materials to enable a proper comparison, using tests that met rigorous measurement system analysis. Instead Harrit et al threw the chemistry lab at a bunch of layered chips and then used whatever handwavy reason they could to call it all thermite. And their cultish followers defend the whole mish mash tooth and nail. What a waste of human endeavor.

Meanwhile, while they engage in this circus, another AQ terrorist gets convicted. Not a peep from our would be champions of justice, their backs turned. Funny and sad, a true tragicomedy.

 

[Miragememories]

"...there was very little eutectic steel in the debris.

It would not account for the vast amounts [of iron-based micro-spheroids] found in the WTC dust."

"What is undebatable, however, is that RJ lee clearly states that these iron-rich spheres were created "in WTC Dust because of the fire."

This keeps dragging on because of the confusion created by the indiscriminate use of the word iron.

An iron-rich sphere as referred to in Dr. Harrit et al's paper represents a metallic spheroid formed from a previously molten state.

It would have an external oxidation coating (iron oxide) but internally contain unattached elemental iron.

The creation of elemental iron-rich micro-spheroids from those 9/11 WTC dust chips was found to occur during their ignition at ~430C.

Supposedly, the flyash-in-the-ointment is Chris's claim that RJ Lee found elemental iron-rich micro-spheroids in the 9/11 WTC dust.

"But EDX at least shows a bigger spike for "iron-rich" spheres than plain old iron oxide spheres.

I'm looking at the RJ Lee Report, and indeed the EDX spectra show iron-rich spheres as RJ Lee reported in the WTC dust."

We know there were elemental iron-rich micro-spheroids in the 9/11 WTC dust based on the early research of Dr. Jones.

The 2009 Bentham paper determined that thermite explained the finding of elemental iron-rich micro-spheroids in the 9/11 WTC dust.

It in no way precludes iron oxide based micro-spheres from forming when exposed to sufficient temperature.

Such iron oxide micro-spheres are common.

RJ Lee makes repeated reference to blast furnace-like fly ash.

RJ Lee noted the high percentage of iron-based microspheres in the 9/11 WTC dust.

It would be expected that any investigating scientists, including Dr. Millette,, would also have been well aware of their existence.

Dr. Millette, who has headed previous government-contracted investigations into the microscopic nature of the 9/11 WTC dust, has never acknowleged the existence of the iron-based microspheres.

Or maybe the obvious is true.

Dr. Millette, after countless hours examining 9/11 WTC dust became well aware that it contained many iron-based microspheres.

So he looked further.

And no doubt he found iron oxide based micro-spheroids, and he also found elemental iron-rich micro-spheroids.

And Dr. Millette knew that Dr. Harrit et al were claiming that the elemental iron-rich micro-spheroids were the result of thermitic activity.

If Dr. Millette went above his self-imposed test limit of 400C and tested his samples at ~430C ignition, he would either produce empty ash or, ash and elemental iron-rich micro-spheroids.

He then had to decide whether to report his most current findings, or fallback to his pre-ignition observations and report them as being good enough.

MM

 

[pgimeno]

It would have an external oxidation coating (iron oxide) but internally contain unattached elemental iron.

You have made that up.

There's no basis for such claim, besides the circular reasoning that if it was the product of thermite, it must have been elemental, therefore proving there was thermite.

No more true than that if there's a god, such god would have created humans, and therefore the existence of humans proves there was a god.

 

[JSanderO]

Not being a chemist.... I would suggest that perhaps the origin of the iron rich microspheres might be the result of iron rich materials being ground extremely fine as part of the process of the collapse... there was enormous friction, heat from this friction and additional heat from fires. The tumbling process of mechanical interactions could/should produce lots of very fine dust which is much more susceptible to the effects of heat. Apparently iron rich micro spheres are not uncommon in smoldering ash fires in incinerators for example. It would seem that whatever mechanisms are in play in the ash fires and such are what would account for the iron rich micro spheres in the WTC dust.

Wouldn't it be odd if there WEREN'T such things found after such an energetic "collapse"
involving 400,000 tons of building materials such as a twin tower?

 

[Miragememories]

This keeps dragging on because of the confusion created by the indiscriminate use of the word iron.

An iron-rich sphere as referred to in Dr. Harrit et al's paper represents a metallic spheroid formed from a previously molten state.

It would have an external oxidation coating (iron oxide) but internally contain unattached elemental iron.

The creation of elemental iron-rich micro-spheroids from those 9/11 WTC dust chips was found to occur during their ignition at ~430C.

"You have made that up.

There's no basis for such claim, besides the circular reasoning that if it was the product of thermite, it must have been elemental, therefore proving there was thermite."

It is normal for exposed iron to oxidize and leave a protective cover which stops oxidation from further penetrating.

Scientifically approved test methods showed a clear finding for thermite.

This is not circular reasoning.

MM

 

[pgimeno]

It is normal for exposed iron to oxidize and leave a protective cover which stops oxidation from further penetrating.

As it is for iron oxide to remain iron oxide. As it is for other iron compounds to remain as such.

There's no proof of metallic iron, you've made that up. Look at fig. 21's spectrum and compare it to the ones in figs. 25, 26 and 28. The former is what a sphere rich in elemental iron would look like. The latter don't prove elemental iron at all.

Scientifically approved unsound test methods showed a clear finding for thermite.

This is not circular reasoning.

FTFY.

If your claim is that the iron-rich spheres must contain iron because they are the product of thermite, and that proves thermite, that is a circular reasoning you can't escape from despite your claim to the contrary.

To escape the circular reasoning you're into, you must provide proof that the spheres contain an abundance of pure iron in their interior. Which you can't, not just because it isn't true, but also because there's no data proving that.

ETA: On the other hand, if what you're implying is that fig. 21 depicts a sphere that wasn't exposed to high enough temperatures and therefore doesn't come from a thermite reaction, I agree with that conclusion.

 

[beachnut]

... Scientifically approved test methods showed a clear finding for thermite.

This is not circular reasoning.

MM

Not circular reasoning, an outright lie based on fantasy.

If you had a finding of thermite, you would have a Pulitzer if you could find your evidence and a newspaper. But you have no evidence, you have talk, and the talk is woo - look: Proof Jones and his band of nuts failed to find anything...

Based on these observations, we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.

Where is their Pulitzer? They never proved anything with "these observations", and if you take the paper to any credible expert on the subject they will laugh at the claim.

Which is it, highly energetic pyrotechnic , or explosive material? I know the thermite part is a lie because the energy for each test was different from thermite, and the DSC did not match thermite. Love how the failed 911 truth experts quibble about energy in the samples on the high side of energy, but fail to explain the low side. Why is that? What is the next Gish Gallop for the dumbest paper in science from Jones and failed conspiracy theorists who can't figure out 911?

Millette can't find thermite in real WTC dust, it was never there. Good luck with 13 years of lies and fantasy, there are more to follow, that is a fact.

Not a match?

Why is it not a match? Off by a lot, and you don't know what DSC is used for anyway - fooled by tests not needed, you believe the lies and repeat them as your own, no idea they lied to you, no idea why.

Then the failed energy in each chip, not close to thermite, with more excuses, but why lower energy?

They must of been excited their paper made a vanity journal so they could fool the 911 truth followers into thinking the paper was real; and they forgot to explain their less energy results... oops
A fake paper, for a fake movement based on lies.

Why can't you debunk Millette's paper? Jones paper is easy to debunk.;

 

[GlennB]

It is normal for exposed iron to oxidize and leave a protective cover which stops oxidation from further penetrating.

This would be true of lead, copper, aluminium, zinc (and maybe other metals) as they form a layer of oxide that's resistant to further oxidation and weathering. Hence lead and copper roofs on ancient buildings.

It's utterly untrue of iron, where corrosion/erosion proceeds endlessly, to the point of total disintegration.

Ever seen plain iron used as a roofing material MM? As opposed to lead, copper and the like? No, and that's why we galvanise steel with zinc to make it rustproof.

eta: Seriously, MM, do you ever verify your facts before posting?

 

[chrismohr]

Does anyone know of a peer-reviewed study that shows a method of iron oxide reduction to iron at temperatures less than 2750 F (the melting point of solid iron)? Jim Millette wanted to do this and more over a year ago and ran out of time. I did go to WikiAnswers and asked how to reduce iron oxide to iron, and a simple answer: take the rust, surround it in sand, heat it up in a wood fire and voila, iron oxide reduced to iron! But alas, this is not peer-reviewed. Any linkies friends? Also appreciated would be the peer-reviewed studies of temperatures at which iron-rich spheres can be created. I failed to find peer-reviewed studies, not that I feel the need for them but someone else certainly does.

 

[ergo]

Harrit's thermitic substance, which had thermtic reactions at 430C (806F), SURVIVED a plane smashing into the tower, jet fuel exploding, and then subsequent fires? How does a thin layer of thermitic material survive those temperatures to be used at a later time?

Why would you assume, in this hypothesis, that the nanothermite survived the fires, or that it needed to? In the case of the Twin Towers, you're talking about a maximum of 90 minutes between jet fuel fires and total building collapse.

 

[DGM]

Why would you assume, in this hypothesis, that the nanothermite survived the fires,

Where do you find proof that there was actually this "nanothermite" outside of the people that advance the theory of it's existence?


You're at square one with no where else to go except to repeat what has been forgotten in the sea of stupid conspiracy theories.

 

[beachnut]

...
Harrit's thermitic substance, which had thermtic reactions at 430C (806F), SURVIVED a plane smashing into the tower, jet fuel exploding, and then subsequent fires? How does a thin layer of thermitic material survive those temperatures to be used at a later time?

Magic. 911 truth claims are fantasy, and failed followers are deep in ignorance.