The prophecies of Ama

[SezMe]

Does this mean that you are finished and are now going to go away? Since you have refused to discuss virtually all counter discussion on these non prophesies, and have made Ka Apaz look like a complete fool here, are you done?

Yeah, now what PC? Do we go back to 1/10 and you make coherent, logical replies to the various comments you have ignored up to now?







Ok, ok, I dream.

 

[Astreja]

Yeah, now what PC? Do we go back to 1/10 and you make coherent, logical replies to the various comments you have ignored up to now?

1/10 seems a little high. Are we marking on a curve, or something?

 

[pakeha]

Spirit of Ama

10/10 –There will also be many more miracles passed on as true. There will also be different types of weapons used in battle that will happen which cannot be stopped by anyone after four and a half years. (Magkakaroon din ng lalong higit pang maraming ipagpapanggap na himala; gayun din magkakaroon ng iba’t ibang uri ng sandata na gagamitin sa pagbabaka-bakang magaganap na di mangyayaring pigilin ninuman pagkalipas ng apat at kalahating taon.)


1979 + 4-1/2 years = 1983+. I think this refers to U.S. President Ronald Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative or popularly called Star Wars. What do you think?

SDI was never used in battle, primarily because they never got it to work.

Fail.

One by one Maria Liwayway Alvaran's pronouncements are shown to be crude posturing of a primitive huckster.

...She's just following the lead of all the prophets who preceded her,... pulling stuff out of common legend and knowledge and trying to make it all holy-sounding in order to bilk the viewers/listeners out of a free meal.

And electricity.
Don't forget the electricity.

 

[Rincewind]

SDI was never used in battle, primarily because they never got it to work.

Fail.

Ah - that's what they want you to think.....

 

[PeaceCrusader]

You have been criticizing what the spirit of Ama said about the prophecies that:
1. They have “failed”;
2. They are “far less precise”;
3. They are “too vague”;
4. They are “only doom and gloom prophecies which are non-specific”;
5. “Ama is an invention of Maria Liwayway Alvaran (a.k.a. Ka Apaz)”.

The last prophecy for 1979 states a time, 4-1/2 years. Adding that to 1979 and the total is 1983+. U.S. President Ronald Reagan gave a speech about the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) on 1983-03-23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative ). This SDI is just raving. When the nuclear World War III happens, this SDI will just be inutile. Please read Revelation 17-18 of the Holy Bible about Babylon the Great.

Ama said that if there is no sufferings, there in no God. So we have to suffer. Bear and call on God.

 

[hurdygurdy]

The last prophecy for 1979 states a time, 4-1/2 years. Adding that to 1979 and the total is 1983+. U.S. President Ronald Reagan gave a speech about the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) on 1983-03-23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative ). This SDI is just raving. When the nuclear World War III happens, this SDI will just be inutile. Please read Revelation 17-18 of the Holy Bible about Babylon the Great.

Maria Liwayway Alvaran said that WWIII would start during the 2012 London Olympics and it didn't happen. She's a false prophet, stop sending her money.

Ama said that if there is no sufferings, there in no God. So we have to suffer. Bear and call on God.

Thanks, but I don't feel like to worship such a sadistic and bloodthirsty entity.

 

[Mojo]

You have been criticizing what the spirit of Ama said about the prophecies that:
1. They have “failed”;
2. They are “far less precise”;
3. They are “too vague”;
4. They are “only doom and gloom prophecies which are non-specific”;
5. “Ama is an invention of Maria Liwayway Alvaran (a.k.a. Ka Apaz)”.

The last prophecy for 1979 states a time, 4-1/2 years. Adding that to 1979 and the total is 1983+. U.S. President Ronald Reagan gave a speech about the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) on 1983-03-23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative ).

It says that the weapons would be "used in battle". They weren't. The prophecy failed.

 

[Filippo Lippi]

You have been criticizing what the spirit of Ama said about the prophecies that:
1. They have “failed”;
2. They are “far less precise”;
3. They are “too vague”;
4. They are “only doom and gloom prophecies which are non-specific”;
5. “Ama is an invention of Maria Liwayway Alvaran (a.k.a. Ka Apaz)”.

The last prophecy for 1979 states a time, 4-1/2 years. Adding that to 1979 and the total is 1983+. U.S. President Ronald Reagan gave a speech about the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) on 1983-03-23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative ). This SDI is just raving. When the nuclear World War III happens, this SDI will just be inutile. Please read Revelation 17-18 of the Holy Bible about Babylon the Great.

Ama said that if there is no sufferings, there in no God. So we have to suffer. Bear and call on God.

The PeaceCrusader there, getting aroused at the thought of inestimable death and suffering.

 

[Resume]

Ama said that if there is no sufferings, there in God.

Fixed it for him/her/it.

 

[Big Al]

Wow! I feel so much older after ploughing through first the "crucifixion nails" thread and then this one. I feel as if all intellect, all emotion, all will to live has been sucked from my body. I feel as if I've been intellectually gang-raped on a football-stadium-audience scale.

And I haven't even posted up to now. And yet I can't stop reading!.I guess this must be the forum equivalent of last-stage heroin addiction.

However, I just keep hearing Iron Maiden, over and over...

"Ama... ROCKCHILD! Ama... ROCKCHILD! Ama... ROCKCHILD! I'm coming to get you... oooh yeah!"

Guess I'm a hopeless case. Better shoot myself now.

 

[Astreja]

PC, your pseudo-god "Ama" can't even keep the electricity on at the home of the woman it uses as its mouthpiece. It can't cure her blindness. It couldn't stop the giant storm that devastated the Philippines. Of course Maria Alvaran would claim "Suffering is good" -- Because "Ama," being a fictional character, has no more power than she has and can't even relieve her own suffering.

Conveniently, the claims of Alvaran are either metaphorical, so vague that they're amenable to the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy (in other words, matching prophesy to event after the event), or utterly wrong.

There is nothing the least bit appealing about the Ama myth. It is rife with pessimism about the future of humanity, a pessimism with only suffering and death as the "cure." It is replete with so much egregious nonsense that it beggars the imagination to consider that any adult could take it seriously. Clay golems? Floating nails? A 7-foot-tall Jesus who looked exactly like Pontius Pilate, yet no one seemed to notice?

Space Toads?

No, seriously: Space Toads? Are we supposed to go hide under our beds while extraterrestrial amphibians lay waste to Earth by hopping through our gardens, eating bugs?

Then we have the followers of this sightless, cynical, absurdist fraud: Her own offspring steal electricity, apparently from one of their mother's own supporters. You, PC, self-describe as a "cheapskate." Where is the "life in abundance" that Jesus talked about in the Gospels? Apparently not in Baliwag.

And where is the compassion, the basic human decency? There is none in a religion that looks forward to nuclear war, that sees women as potential harems for the few male survivors, that obsesses over human sexuality and promotes suffering as a necessary good rather than something to be ameliorated.

May the words of "Ama" be stricken forever from the collective memory of humanity --

-- After we're done laughing at them, that is.

 

[Alice Shortcake]

*Piles offerings of chocolate and booze beofore the shrine of the Springy Goddess*

 

[ToddH]

Ok, I'm officially in love with our resident Springy Goddess

 

[SezMe]

3. They are “too vague”;


The last prophecy for 1979 states a time, 4-1/2 years. Adding that to 1979 and the total is 1983+. U.S. President Ronald Reagan gave a speech about the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) on 1983-03-23 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative ). This SDI is just raving. When the nuclear World War III happens, this SDI will just be inutile.

They are too vague. Let me show you what this prophecy might look like:

Ama: "On March 23rd, 1983, President Ronald Reagan will make his initial Strategic Defense Initiative proposal to develop technology to intercept enemy missiles. The media will dub this plan "Star Wars."

See the difference? Yours requires all sorts of interpretation. A "real" prophecy leaves no room for hocus-pocus.

 

[Alareth]

PeaceCrusader, why are we still doing this?

Why did you lie to us?

You said you would denounce Ka Apaz and "Ama" if the prediction about WW3 and the Olympics did not come to pass.

Now, two years later here we are with you still pushing lies and untruths.

EVERY WORD that comes out of your prophets mouth is either an easily demonstrable lie or so inconsequential it's meaningless.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

The 1976, 1977, and 1979 prophecies that I posted here one by one are in http://aristean.org/hula.htm . They were given to me by Marcial Aguila with another magazine article called “Medium of God”. Now, about 35 years since they were revealed, we will know if they have been fulfilled, are being fulfilled, and have not been fulfilled.

The spirit of Ama usually revealed the Record of Life for the following year (and beyond) usually on the early hours of Christmas eve (December 24). Look at the sacrifices made by the listeners. Ama usually came in the early hours. And on Christmas eve.

 

[Craig4]

The 1976, 1977, and 1979 prophecies that I posted here one by one are in http://aristean.org/hula.htm . They were given to me by Marcial Aguila with another magazine article called “Medium of God”. Now, about 35 years since they were revealed, we will know if they have been fulfilled, are being fulfilled, and have not been fulfilled.

The spirit of Ama usually revealed the Record of Life for the following year (and beyond) usually on the early hours of Christmas eve (December 24). Look at the sacrifices made by the listeners. Ama usually came in the early hours. And on Christmas eve.

No, not really. The "prophesies" were just so broad that you all found things to fit them after they happened. It's not as if the old hag actually predicted anything. It's all just silly made up nonsense and you're desperate to find a reason to believe. There's nothing important in what she says.

 

[Akhenaten]

The 1976, 1977, and 1979 prophecies that I posted here one by one are in http://aristean.org/hula.htm .

Then why did you feel the need to repost them here according to some schedule that you refuse to explain rather than just posting the link?

They were given to me by Marcial Aguila with another magazine article called “Medium of God”.

As has been pointed out before:

So what we're in fact reading here are your paraphrased impressions of the jottings of another delusionaut based on the mumbled lies of a senile con-artist who managed to convince you 40 years ago that she was channelling the ghost of a fictional character in a book (the KJV) that you lack the English language skills to read for yourself.

Now, about 35 years since they were revealed, we will know if they have been fulfilled, are being fulfilled, and have not been fulfilled.

What we know, PeaceCrusader, is that they aren't even prophecies.

We also know that when you posted this:

If the prophecies were wrong, then I would admit that I was wrong and will consider the Holy Spirit that we (plural) talk to is a fraud, an impostor.

If the nuclear world war does not occur on Wednesday, 07-25, and the 2012 Olympic Games is held as planned, then I can say that His prophecies are wrong.

you were lying.

The spirit of Ama usually revealed the Record of Life for the following year (and beyond) usually on the early hours of Christmas eve (December 24).

The crone Alvaran, which you have duped yourself into believing is some kind of magical spook, has revealed nothing. Ever.

Look at the sacrifices made by the listeners. Ama usually came in the early hours. And on Christmas eve.

The delusionauts stayed up late on Christmas Eve?

That's your version of a noble sacrifice?

Is there anything about the Cult of Alvaran that isn't utterly pathetic?​

 

[Akhenaten]

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They were given to me by Marcial Aguila with another magazine article called “Medium of God”.

We're well aware of the type of magazines that you like to use as source material for the nonsense that you post.

Bringing attention to them is probably not a winning strategy for you.

 

[pakeha]

...The spirit of Ama usually revealed the Record of Life for the following year (and beyond) usually on the early hours of Christmas eve (December 24). Look at the sacrifices made by the listeners. Ama usually came in the early hours. And on Christmas eve.

Isn't it odd Maria Liwayway Alvaran would work the normal Xmas circuit?
Doesn't she claim Jesus' birthday is quite different?
Why would she use the Xmas platform if it doesn't correspond to Jesus birthday?

What sacrifices are you talking about?
Do you mean the early hours of the 24th or the early hours of 25th?