Continuation Part Seven: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[anglolawyer]

The Amanda fans love what she does. The Amanda haters love what she does. The question is how do these kind of posts impact people in the middle. How does Abrams look at them?

I don't care. I just love what she does.

 

[Desert Fox]

So I take it you don't think there is a multimillion $$ PR campaign. Just people protesting their innocence as best they can.

I will leave that last sentence alone....

I think she just wants to be Amanda Knox, the college student that gets good grades to be honest. In the future, I might like to see her active in wrongful conviction issues but that is up to her.

 

[Bill Williams]

The Amanda fans love what she does. The Amanda haters love what she does. The question is how do these kind of posts impact people in the middle. How does Abrams look at them?

I don't care. I just love what she does.

Soon, people will catch on that the inflated language of "Amanda fans" serves no one. It's ad hominem language. Still, I don't care either. The young woman has been a class act through an onslaught I will never understand.

 

[acbytesla]

She really needs to be forgotten about in Italy.

I don't see that happening. Amanda Knox was the best known person in Italy in 2009 I think. They may get sick of the story, but she won't be forgotten.

 

[acbytesla]

In my opinion, she needs to stop blogging and holding up signs saying she's innocent. I don't know who's advising her, if anyone, but I would have thought the less said the better.

I think the opposite. She needs her story front and center. She can't afford the public to forget her and the idea that this young woman may have to do more than 20 years in prison for something she didn't do.

 

[Bill Williams]

I think she just wants to be Amanda Knox, the college student that gets good grades to be honest. In the future, I might like to see her active in wrongful conviction issues but that is up to her.

Everyone wants Amanda Knox to be someone she is not. Some want her to be Foxy Knoxy so they can yell slutty things at her. Others want her to be seen as having a "fan base", so that they can appear to be in an unoccupiable middle ground.

Let Knox be Knox. Deal with it.

 

[AmyStrange]

Tony Danza Lookalike Matteo Renzi to Lead Italy

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FROM: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...nza-lookalike-matteo-renzi-to-lead-italy.html

Tony Danza Lookalike Matteo Renzi to Lead Italy

Meet Italy’s new prime minister. They call him “The Fonz.”

"Italy’s political stability has just gone from bad to worse. It has been almost six years since Italians have had a leader they actually voted for, and their next one will again be chosen by the president, not the people. In 2008, the last time the Italian populace managed to pull off a conclusive election, Silvio Berlusconi swept to power for what would end up being the fourth and final term of his long career. He was booted out of office in 2011 amid a maelstrom of corruption and sex scandals and replaced by technocrat Mario Monti, who lasted about a year before he, too, stepped down. After Monti’s short tenure, Italy held elections in February 2013—but they proved inconclusive (Monti ran but fared miserably) and, after weeks of political wrangling, Italian president Giorgio Napolitano tapped center-left moderate Enrico Letta to form a government last April... "

(Tony Danza, Really)

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[AmyStrange]

Amanda's got do what she's gotta do...

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In my opinion, she needs to stop blogging and holding up signs saying she's innocent. I don't know who's advising her, if anyone, but I would have thought the less said the better.

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I myself sometimes cringe with some of the stuff she says and writes, and in that sense I agree with you, but it's something I think Amanda has to do.

It's part of who she is and if anybody has a right to speak out on her behalf, it's Amanda. The thing I find interesting is she isn't going through another person, she's speaking for herself. I gotta give her credit for that.

Another thing I kind of get from your post is you're not writing this because you don't like her (I don't believe for a minute that you hate her), but because you don't think she's helping her innocence case any by what she's doing.

I personally think that's a nice thing for you to care about, shows you're open, in my opinion anyway,

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[Kaosium]

Everyone wants Amanda Knox to be someone she is not. Some want her to be Foxy Knoxy so they can yell slutty things at her. Others want her to be seen as having a "fan base", so that they can appear to be in an unoccupiable middle ground.

Let Knox be Knox. Deal with it.

Actually she is already active on wrongful conviction issues.

 

[acbytesla]

Totally agree. If I were her I'd be spending my time translating the documents and collaborating with people to make a first class documented movie on the facts of the case.

I'd like to see the police chief's press conference subtitled for example.

I'd show the luminol prints demonstrating that they can't be matched.

Rather than a WTBH story of her experiences I'd do a docudrama of the case.

I really like this idea, but then again, we've discussed this before.

 

[Grinder]

I really like this idea, but then again, we've discussed this before.

Well if there was a penalty box for repeated points, I'd have plenty of company.

 

[Strozzi]

West Memphis 3 false conviction

CNN is broadcasting a special program in the US very soon - possibly tonight or this weekend - on the West Memphis 3 case. I just caught part of a CNN announcement on this and don't know any details.

 

[Samson]

CNN is broadcasting a special program in the US very soon - possibly tonight or this weekend - on the West Memphis 3 case. I just caught part of a CNN announcement on this and don't know any details.

I have posted this link before about a movie of this case made by Amy Berg.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz-film-festival/news/article.cfm?c_id=1500937&objectid=10820250

 

[platonov]

Say something nice comrade – It Valentines day.

Poster X made a snarky and inappropriate comment, therefore anyone on the same side as poster X is responsible.

Here on JREF, we should recognize such assertions as a logical fallacy. Even if logic doesn't matter on other forums, it does here.

Well as a fellow Jref member I can only applaud the sentiment, although not being a logician myself - having to make do with reading and counting (the basic stuff)


But a couple of minor points.

Several posters agreed withe the post in Q.

Several who had previously ignored it attacked those who referenced it for bad taste or being called lionking or something.

Several seemed confused over the context /authorship. One in particular bestowed authorship on a poster under suspension at the time the post was made.

Yet another, now a leading feminist thinker [a recent convert apparently] attacked a woman in vituperative terms for something she posted elsewhere about a different topic.


But these minor qualifications aside your précis was a masterpiece in pure (in not applied) logic & I would like to thank you for bringing it to the boards attention.


Your humble disciple

platonov

 

[acbytesla]

Well if there was a penalty box for repeated points, I'd have plenty of company.

Yes you would. ....


It was a good point that deserved repeating.

 

[Desert Fox]

Everyone wants Amanda Knox to be someone she is not. Some want her to be Foxy Knoxy so they can yell slutty things at her. Others want her to be seen as having a "fan base", so that they can appear to be in an unoccupiable middle ground.

Let Knox be Knox. Deal with it.

Look, I do advocate her being her. . . .Just my personal musing

 

[acbytesla]

The Amanda fans love what she does. The Amanda haters love what she does. The question is how do these kind of posts impact people in the middle. How does Abrams look at them?

Frankly Grinder, I have no idea if any of us can see the forest since we've been looking at the trees for so long.

I've always observed you to be a person that is critical of everything. You pick anything and everything apart looking for the flaws. You're very good at that. Sometimes I think you make some very good points and there are other times I don't.

I don't know for sure on this point which is the case.

 

[Desert Fox]

I have to get ready for work in a few minutes but wanted to post this
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/27/newser-pope-john-paul-ii-blood-stolen/4937149/
Reuters reports the only other item taken from the church was a crucifix, leading police to believe this may have been a commissioned hit — and that the intended use could be something to do with Satanic rituals, noting resale would be highly difficult.

Pope's blood stolen and they think it Satanists. . . .Seems to be something of an Italian theme

 

[Grinder]

I have to get ready for work in a few minutes but wanted to post this
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/27/newser-pope-john-paul-ii-blood-stolen/4937149/
Reuters reports the only other item taken from the church was a crucifix, leading police to believe this may have been a commissioned hit — and that the intended use could be something to do with Satanic rituals, noting resale would be highly difficult.

Pope's blood stolen and they think it Satanists. . . .Seems to be something of an Italian theme

I hope Amanda and Bill have airtight alibis.

 

[Bill Williams]

Here's an old piece from some innocence-crackpot about Amanda's lamp.... found on Nov 2 in Meredith's room behind the opened door.

http://groundreport.com/amanda-knox-the-lady-of-the-lamp-not/#.Uv6KhhOOIJo.twitter

Despite being a crank, the author raises some good points.

The question of the lamp has made quite an impression both in online discussions and in the literature, especially among those who are unfamiliar with legal processes and evidential requirements. Although John Follain finds no space in his ‘definitive account’ to discuss it, Barbie Latza Nadeau, in her influential and lurid account, Sex, Murder and the Inside Story of Amanda Knox, uncritically mentions the lamp six times without questioning the assumption that it was present at the relevant time (i.e. when Meredith’s bedroom door was broken open). Darkness Descending falls into the same error. I believe that by using no more than reasonable inference from what we know, there is only one reasonable explanation of how the lamp came to be photographed inside in the victim’s room and that this explanation sheds light upon the integrity of the legal process.

Given that the author of Darkness Descending will be, ah, er, descending upon all Channel 3 viewers on Monday in G.B., one should know who they are watching - in the evidentiary sense.

Because, the integrity of the investigative process is this:

The prosecution’s treatment of the issue says much about its integrity. It is clear that Mignini behaved unethically, at least according to the standards of my jurisdiction, England and Wales and, I have no doubt, most other common law jurisdictions. It is difficult to see why Italy should be any different. Mignini put it to Amanda that Raffaele had tried to kick the door down, not from concern for Meredith’s welfare, but in order to retrieve the lamp. He also asked her how the lamp came to be in the room to which she said she didn’t know. He had no positive case on which to suggest the lamp was introduced by either defendant and this fact should have precluded such a question for the simple reason that it was highly prejudicial and probably designedly so. It introduced an idea into the minds of the judges, both professional and popular, for which there was no evidence.

But I guess when considered osmotically, then one has to assume that Raffaele was kicking in the door for a reason with no positive evidence introduced at all....

You know what? Maybe this author is not a crackpot after all!