Moderated What Caused the Plane Shaped Hole

[yankee451]

WELL nowwww. That`s just the proof i have been waiting for!! Case closed!
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Er...WAIT!...you might be with the govt and just telling us this!
Sheesh, is it hard to prove anything. It really is.

There are plenty of people who believe they've seen aliens and Bigfoot, but hearsay isn't exactly proof, is it?

 

[DGM]

Sure you do.

Please post the video so we can all examine it.

It can be found on-line. The physical tape is buried in the empty grave where my friends wife memorial is. She got hit by the the plane you claimed was not there.

When will you get back to the OP?

What caused the plane shaped holes?

You really can't focus well.

 

[Dash80]

For the unsupported claim that passenger jets hit the Tower resulting in the deaths of thousands and followed by the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people as retribution.

Planes DID hit the towers. This is supported by:

Visual evidence (photos and videos).

Eyewitness evidence.

Physical evidence (plane parts).

Confessions of those involved in planning

You however, have nothing.

For demanding the "math" of others to prove their hypotheses when they can't provide any math to support their own, and for not batting an eye over killing tens of thousands of innocent people without a shred of proof beyond the TeeVee.

Nope, try again. You do realise people in this thread do not argue anything based solely on "what the teevee told them?"

For claiming a southbound, mostly hollow aluminum jet caused east-west damage in 1/2 inch thick steel columns and relying on the TeeVee as proof.

Again, nobody is relying on "teevee" here.

For claiming an aluminum wing with a leading edge as sharp as a basketball can do what several dense-metal penetrating warheads can do as long as it's filled with fuel. Second prize goes to the military for wasting billions on missiles that can easily be replaced by the much more efficient, mostly hollow aluminum wings filled with kerosene.

LOL! Your ignorance means nothing.

For believing that empty floors struck by non-existent planes resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people who weren't there, retribution for which resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent victims who had it coming anyway.

Vicsims and hollow towers BS, and you wonder why you're not taken seriously.

I can sort of see why a no-planer would deny the passengers existed. The passenger issue backs you into a corner, so you are forced to handwave them away... but the people in the buildings? Is that just to piss people off even more?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Sure you do.

Please post the video so we can all examine it.

I have repeatedly posted a collection of 20+ videos that you haven't watched. Intellectual laziness and dishonesty will not reward you with extra effort on our part.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Do we need a Clayton/vax thread style list of his unanswered questions?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

There are plenty of people who believe they've seen aliens and Bigfoot, but hearsay isn't exactly proof, is it?

No, hearsay isn't proof.

Imagine radar tracked an alien spaceship which then crashed in one of the biggest cities in the world and then, after the media had gathered at the scene and splashed it as breaking news on the radio and TV all over the world, a second flying saucer fell on the same city and its crash was captured live on multiple TV stations, videotaped by dozens of independent witnesses, directly observed by ten thousand eyewitnesses from nearby and for miles around, and subsequently alien technology and alien DNA was found scattered around the crash sites.

Would that make a difference?

 

[fess]

Originally posted by Yankee451
I offered to pay handsomely to prove my theories right or wrong. Doing either would be more than the official organs have ever accomplished, truther or truster. He flaked on me because I was paying bargain basement prices and got what I paid for. But I was willing to spend far more if I could find any engineer or firm with the guts to prove me wrong or right. I approached many, even taking out ads and offering many thousands of dollars to prove me wrong, and can you guess why no one wanted to take the gig?

I don’t know why you wasted all of that effort, time, and money when all you had to do is post here and let us prove you wrong… for nothing.
Of course you wouldn’t listen to those you contacted anymore than you listen to the posters here.

 

[Robrob]

They weren't examining the state of the columns, only the shape of the gash. Why do you think they would avoid examining the damage in detail?

Reversed burden of proof. A plane was observed striking the building. Multiple videos exist. Planes were hijacked. People are missing. The hole is shaped like a plane. Why would they need to "examine the damage in detail?"

Now that's a handsome fellow next to a fine wood stove, the steel of which was only half as thick as the steel in the impact zone.

And this stove was struck by a jet while supporting 30 stories of skyscraper above it?

Looking at the North Tower and the South Tower, why would there be the same number of columns between the beginning of the damage and what looks like a hole left by an explosive?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/9-columns.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/9-columns-2.jpg[/qimg]

Given that the jets were approximately the same size, the columns were approximately the same size and the number "nine" hinges on your subjective decision where damage "begins" - this is evidence of what? Other than confirmation bias?

 

[DGM]

I approached many, even taking out ads and offering many thousands of dollars to prove me wrong, and can you guess why no one wanted to take the gig?


You get three guesses.

(1)They didn't think you could be serious.

(2)They didn't think you had the money

(3)They couldn't get you to pay in advance and knew you wouldn't pay if you didn't agree.

 

[Porkpie Hat]

What caused the plane shaped hole?

A plane.

/thread

 

[Iamme]

He/She/It conveniently forgets that there were tens of thousands of people in and around the site who didn't need TeeVees. All they had to do was look up.

Yeah, but.....we were only told that by newspaper and tv! They could have all been in on it! Like a David Blaine levitation trick.
Im not saying this happened, but if say Yankee makes such claims, how can we prove him wrong. Even for my own self, i know of nobody, personally, who was a pilot, a passenger, in the building, a firefighter, policeman, bystanders...nobody.
I am simply taking someones word for what happened...like the moon landing...or Kennedy`s assassination...or crop circles...or giant Pyramids...or giant land drawings in Peru...or that there was a Jesus...etc. I am taking someones word for it about all these, and more.
In fact....i dont know if any of you or the internet even exists, or that i am a tangible being for that matter! Everything could be a figment traced back to a deity. Lol

 

[fess]

For the unsupported claim that passenger jets hit the Tower resulting in the deaths of thousands and followed by the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people as retribution.

Off topic.

For demanding the "math" of others to prove their hypotheses when they can't provide any math to support their own, and for not batting an eye over killing tens of thousands of innocent people without a shred of proof beyond the TeeVee.

Off topic.

For claiming a southbound, mostly hollow aluminum jet caused east-west damage in 1/2 inch thick steel columns and relying on the TeeVee as proof.

Please show me a hollow aluminum tube that weighs over 300K pounds.

For claiming an aluminum wing with a leading edge as sharp as a basketball can do what several dense-metal penetrating warheads can do as long as it's filled with fuel. Second prize goes to the military for wasting billions on missiles that can easily be replaced by the much more efficient, mostly hollow aluminum wings filled with kerosene.

So you think fuel is all that is behind your “basketball” leading edge? Think again, but this time, engage your brain.
The rest of your post is ludicrous at best.

For believing that empty floors struck by non-existent planes resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people who weren't there, retribution for which resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent victims who had it coming anyway.

Ludicrous and off topic in the same post, Unreal.

 

[ozeco41]

...Im not saying this happened, but if say Yankee makes such claims, how can we prove him wrong...

Go back to basics. Neither you nor we have to prove him wrong.

He has to "prove him right".

 

[tsig]

Why do you keep asking simple questions?

I offered to pay handsomely to prove my theories right or wrong. Doing either would be more than the official organs have ever accomplished, truther or truster. He flaked on me because I was paying bargain basement prices and got what I paid for. But I was willing to spend far more if I could find any engineer or firm with the guts to prove me wrong or right. I approached many, even taking out ads and offering many thousands of dollars to prove me wrong, and can you guess why no one wanted to take the gig?

Because they were afraid of the quote "political fallout", of which there would be NONE if I was wrong. There can be only one reason a firm wouldn't want to take my money to prove me wrong, an act that would simultaneously reinforce the "official story". What political fallout could they possibly be afraid of if they were to prove some crackpot wrong?

You get three guesses.

The check bounced?

 

[George 152]

There are plenty of people who believe they've seen aliens and Bigfoot, but hearsay isn't exactly proof, is it?

You must get sore shoulders moving those goalposts and changing subjects

 

[HotRodDeluxe]

Go back to basics. Neither you nor we have to prove him wrong.

He has to "prove him right".

And we all know he won't do that, for he either doesn't understand how to develop a hypothesis, or he's trolling. I suspect the latter. Evasive responses to posts about his evasions-it seems that's the only tactic left to the current crop of truthers.

 

[Robrob]

And we all know he won't do that, for he either doesn't understand how to develop a hypothesis, or he's trolling. I suspect the latter. Evasive responses to posts about his evasions-it seems that's the only tactic left to the current crop of truthers.

Wasn't he demanding we go to his YouTube site? That's usually the behavior of folks looking to increase their hit rate.

 

[NoahFence]

Do we need a Clayton/vax thread style list of his unanswered questions?

I'd say yes, but with this guy I'm not sure JREF's ISP has enough storage space.

 

[I Ratant]

I have repeatedly posted a collection of 20+ videos that you haven't watched. Intellectual laziness and dishonesty will not reward you with extra effort on our part.

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That's where the 3 clips came from. Looking at all the videos from all the vantage points both near and far, the uniformity of the collision of the 2nd plane with the tower from every aspect shows..... it happened that way!!

 

[twinstead]

Can I assume that the obvious answer to what should have been a two-post thread is still "a plane"?