Moderated What Caused the Plane Shaped Hole

[yankee451]

I wasn't referring to the minutiae-arguing details like that is a waste of time when it ignores the obvious. Like you, I'm not an engineer or physicist, however, unlike you, I am well-versed in the application of logic, and as such, I recognise the need for you to disprove the existence of the aircraft before your hypothesis will gain any form of validation or recognition. Until that time, you are merely promoting a rather inane story.


The obvious:



a). You can't prove the planes were faked.

b). You can't refute eyewitness testimony that identifies the aircraft as aircraft.

c). You can't demonstrate or prove how the aircraft wreckage was planted, or if it was planted at all.

d). You can't prove or demonstrate how all the video footage (that depicts aircraft) was faked, or if it was faked at all.

Until that time your story is just that-a story (and not even a good story).

Do you understand the process required to develop a reasonable hypothesis?

Translation: don't be curious; believe what you're told.

 

[yankee451]

Oh contraire...I expect to be ridiculed, but then I'm not the one who took the photos of the damage no one seems willing to discuss. To wit, if JSANDERO claims the floors were so weak they pancaked onto the floors below, what could be holding up this floor?

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/because-it-is-holding-up-all-this-debris.png

Once again, I've changed this over-sized image to a link as it messes up the formatting and readability of the thread. Please STOP posting oversized images like this.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LashL

Oh THAT! Sure, I'll link heretofore.

 

[yankee451]

I should link 900 pages of "1" and "0" and ask him to prove me wrong.

Yes, you should.

 

[beachnut]

Instead of the Hale Bopp comet, we have the indestructible wood stove. Why do we keep the fire inside the stove?

Gage uses cardboard boxes and makes over a million dollars, yankee451 uses wood stoves and spends money to pay engineers who run away when they see the wood stove video.

What does 451 stand for? Did someone burn all the text books?

Maybe the Plane Shaped Hole was made with super sonic wood stoves.

Why do you make up lies about 911? Because we are at war. Did Bush lie, so you lie? Is that the logic used?

Anything in your fantasy about the Constitution or Cheney?

 

[Dash80]

So you'd suggest ignoring the evidence at the scene of the crime and believing the "proof" used to justify America's longest war; proof provided by the people who profit by it?

Good plan.

Strange how you ignore and dismiss the evidence yourself.

Things like:

Videos (just claim they are faked)
Eyewitnesses (dismiss as liars)
Plane parts ("but... they were planted!!")

By the way, how is your crash test "project" going?

 

[Robrob]

Translation: don't be curious; believe what you're told.

Hand wave noted.

It would help if you occasionally addressed the problems we keep pointing out in your claims.

 

[yankee451]

Which differs from the published photos, how?

They weren't examining the state of the columns, only the shape of the gash. Why do you think they would avoid examining the damage in detail?

 

[yankee451]

Strange how you ignore and dismiss the evidence yourself.

Things like:

Videos (just claim they are faked)
Eyewitnesses (dismiss as liars)
Plane parts ("but... they were planted!!")

By the way, how is your crash test "project" going?

Haven't ignored them, just starting at the beginning. I gather you like to read the last chapter before you get to the end of a book?

 

[yankee451]

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/1111awoodstovenoairhotterfirelol.jpg[/qimg]
Instead of the Hale Bopp comet, we have the indestructible wood stove. Why do we keep the fire inside the stove?

Gage uses cardboard boxes and makes over a million dollars, yankee451 uses wood stoves and spends money to pay engineers who run away when they see the wood stove video.

What does 451 stand for? Did someone burn all the text books?

Maybe the Plane Shaped Hole was made with super sonic wood stoves.

Why do you make up lies about 911? Because we are at war. Did Bush lie, so you lie? Is that the logic used?

Anything in your fantasy about the Constitution or Cheney?

Now that's a handsome fellow next to a fine wood stove, the steel of which was only half as thick as the steel in the impact zone.

 

[TheRedWorm]

Translation: don't be curious; believe what you're told.

Curiosity means completely ignoring reality in favor of some B.S. scenario one pulls out of thin air now?

 

[yankee451]

Curiosity means completely ignoring reality in favor of some B.S. scenario one pulls out of thin air now?

Considering TeeVee waves are what true believers are basing their beliefs on, they really do pull them out of thin air. But here we examine the evidence:

Looking at the North Tower and the South Tower, why would there be the same number of columns between the beginning of the damage and what looks like a hole left by an explosive?

 

[TheRedWorm]

Considering TeeVee waves are what true believers are basing their beliefs on, they really do pull them out of thin air. But here we examine the evidence:

Ah yes. Even the people who were there and saw the planes with their own eyes are under T.V.'s nefarious influence. Just how powerful is this mysterious force?

Looking at the North Tower and the South Tower, why would there be the same number of columns between the beginning of the damage and what looks like a hole left by an explosive?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/9-columns.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/9-columns-2.jpg[/qimg]

Even if that were true, so what?

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Yes, you should.

By this I take it to mean you admit you have no freaking clue what "the FEA" would actually constitute.

 

[yankee451]

Ah yes. Even the people who were there and saw the planes with their own eyes are under T.V.'s nefarious influence. Just how powerful is this mysterious force?

So powerful that those who are under its spell cannot think for themselves.

Even if that were true, so what?

Looks like nine columns from where the damage begins to what appears to be an inward-blasting hole. Do you count fewer or more than that? Who you gonna believe, the TeeVee or the lying photographs?

 

[yankee451]

By this I take it to mean you admit you have no freaking clue what "the FEA" would actually constitute.

I'm just curious as to whether you can produce one, and if not (you can't), then why you're so certain that what was presented on the Television was possible in the real world.

 

[TheRedWorm]

So powerful that those who are under its spell cannot think for themselves.

Thinking for oneself != ignoring reality and making crap (like the no plane B.S.) up.

Looks like nine columns from where the damage begins to what appears to be an inward-blasting hole. Do you count fewer or more than that? Who you gonna believe, the TeeVee or the lying photographs?

First off, what your opinion of what you think something looks like is less than useless, but that's not what I asked; I asked: even if true, so what?

 

[yankee451]

Thinking for oneself != ignoring reality and making crap (like the no plane B.S.) up.





First off, what your opinion of what you think something looks like is less than useless, but that's not what I asked; I asked: even if true, so what?

So why would two separate jets striking at different trajectories, different speeds and impacting steel of different thicknesses create such similar damage?

The mind boggles.

 

[beachnut]

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/1111awoodstovenoairhotterfirelol.jpg
Instead of the Hale Bopp comet, we have the indestructible wood stove. Why do we keep the fire inside the stove?

Gage uses cardboard boxes and makes over a million dollars, yankee451 uses wood stoves and spends money to pay engineers who run away when they see the wood stove video.

What does 451 stand for? Did someone burn all the text books?

Maybe the Plane Shaped Hole was made with super sonic wood stoves.

Why do you make up lies about 911? Because we are at war. Did Bush lie, so you lie? Is that the logic used?

Anything in your fantasy about the Constitution or Cheney?

How did you make up the lie of no plane? Where are the passengers? Why can't you answer simple questions?

Why did your engineer leave? Did you show him your videos, or your web page? What did he say?

 

[TheRedWorm]

So why would two separate jets striking at different trajectories, different speeds and impacting steel of different thicknesses create such similar damage?

The mind boggles.

That's it? You don't know how something happened so you disregard reality go and make up a laughably impossible scenario instead?

 

[yankee451]

How did you make up the lie of no plane? Where are the passengers? Why can't you answer simple questions?

Why did your engineer leave? Did you show him your videos, or your web page? What did he say?

Why do you keep asking simple questions?

I offered to pay handsomely to prove my theories right or wrong. Doing either would be more than the official organs have ever accomplished, truther or truster. He flaked on me because I was paying bargain basement prices and got what I paid for. But I was willing to spend far more if I could find any engineer or firm with the guts to prove me wrong or right. I approached many, even taking out ads and offering many thousands of dollars to prove me wrong, and can you guess why no one wanted to take the gig?

Because they were afraid of the quote "political fallout", of which there would be NONE if I was wrong. There can be only one reason a firm wouldn't want to take my money to prove me wrong, an act that would simultaneously reinforce the "official story". What political fallout could they possibly be afraid of if they were to prove some crackpot wrong?

You get three guesses.