LDS II: The Mormons

[halleyscomet]

And while I'm on the subject, how come your silly little god forgot to invent monotheism? Pretty stupid oversight, wasn't it?

Because Mormons are not monotheists, they're pagans worshiping members of a a pantheon. Remember, According to Mormon cosmology, Jesus is just the god of THIS world, and his Dad has sons who are gods on other worlds. That god, in turn is the son of ANOTHER god who has his OWN set of sons scattered across various planets.

Cat, is there any Mormon doctrine about how far back this line goes, or who set in place the laws by which all the child-gods are bound?

Who was the original god, and where did he come from?

 

[halleyscomet]

Possibly.
But of all 'abominations', why fix upon something we assume is so far from her own experience?
Why not fix upon bacon, as so many other posters have suggested?

I think she has some personal vendetta against homosexuals, perhaps a specific homosexual, but she refuses to discuss it.

 

[Janadele]

Jesus says otherwise:

No halley, He does not. He references the fact that sacred ordinances such as marriage for Spirit children of our Heavenly Father consigned to mortality on this Earth, are sealed for eternity in Temples on this Earth, not in Heaven.

 

[dafydd]

are sealed for eternity in Temples on this Earth, not in Heaven.

Do you mean those ugly buildings that Mormons erect? They are not eternal.

 

[halleyscomet]

No halley, He does not. He references the fact that sacred ordinances such as marriage for Spirit children of our Heavenly Father consigned to mortality on this Earth, are sealed for eternity in Temples on this Earth, not in Heaven.

Seriously? THAT'S the message you get from that passage? I strongly recommend you check out the following links:

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[tsig]

Because Mormons are not monotheists, they're pagans worshiping members of a a pantheon. Remember, According to Mormon cosmology, Jesus is just the god of THIS world, and his Dad has sons who are gods on other worlds. That god, in turn is the son of ANOTHER god who has his OWN set of sons scattered across various planets.

Cat, is there any Mormon doctrine about how far back this line goes, or who set in place the laws by which all the child-gods are bound?

Who was the original god, and where did he come from?

It's gods all the way down.

 

[TimCallahan]

Janadele, if the Christian scriptures are the word of God how do you account for the following:

Mk. 15:34 - 37: And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying "Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?" that is "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" And some of them that stood by, when they heard it said, behold he is calling Elijah." And one ran and filled a sponge with vinegar and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, "Let us see whether Elijah will come and take him down." And Jesus cried out in a loud voice and gave up the spirit.

Mt. 27:46 - 50: echoes Mark. However Matthew corrects Mark's use of Aramaic (Eloi for "My God") to Hebrew (Eli for "My God"), since this is a quote of the opening lines of Psalm 22, attributed to King David.

Lk. 23:46: And when Jesus had cried out in a loud voice, he said, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." And having said thus he gave up the spirit.

Jn. 19:30: When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished." And he bowed his head and gave up the spirit.

So, were Jesus' last words on the cross a cry of desolation - "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" - as Mark and Matthew have it; a statement of acceptance - "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit," - as Luke has it; or were they a statement of accomplishment - "It is finished," - as John has it? Bear in mind that all three versions are given as the last words Jesus says before dying and that they are all at odds with each other. Either none of them are right or only one is. How can there be such disagreement in the word of God?

 

[Slowvehicle]

Jesus says otherwise:

Luke 20:35 (and parallels)

35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage...

Perhaps if enough of us keep pointing this out, Janadele might admit it.

Perhaps Billie Jean King will call me up for a lunch date on the way to Sochi.

 

[Slowvehicle]

No halley, He does not. He references the fact that sacred ordinances such as marriage for Spirit children of our Heavenly Father consigned to mortality on this Earth, are sealed for eternity in Temples on this Earth, not in Heaven.

Not once, NOT ONCE, in the xianist new testament are words attributed to Jesus, said to be said to be "the Christ", about "sealing sacred ordinances" in "Temples on this Earth". Not once. Whatever your source for this...odd...superstition, it is not "CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURES" (as per OP). Do us a favor and provide chapter and verse from whatever you are quoting.

 

[dafydd]

Not once, NOT ONCE, in the xianist new testament are words attributed to Jesus, said to be said to be "the Christ", about "sealing sacred ordinances" in "Temples on this Earth". Not once. Whatever your source for this...odd...superstition, it is not "CHRISTIAN SCRIPTURES" (as per OP). Do us a favor and provide chapter and verse from whatever you are quoting.

Her words sound like a quote from an execrable historical novel.

 

[Brainache]

Her words sound like a quote from an execrable historical novel.

And it came to pass that Antony said to Cleopatra, as he opened a crate of ale, "Oh I say, some girls are bigger than others..."

 

[dafydd]

And it came to pass that Antony said to Cleopatra, as he opened a crate of ale, "Oh I say, some girls are bigger than others..."

Lo, Isiah was named thus because verily one of his eyes was higher than the other. And it was funny in the sight of the Lord.

 

[tsig]

Janadele, if the Christian scriptures are the word of God how do you account for the following:

Mk. 15:34 - 37: And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying "Eloi, Eloi lama sabachthani?" that is "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" And some of them that stood by, when they heard it said, behold he is calling Elijah." And one ran and filled a sponge with vinegar and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, "Let us see whether Elijah will come and take him down." And Jesus cried out in a loud voice and gave up the spirit.

Mt. 27:46 - 50: echoes Mark. However Matthew corrects Mark's use of Aramaic (Eloi for "My God") to Hebrew (Eli for "My God"), since this is a quote of the opening lines of Psalm 22, attributed to King David.

Lk. 23:46: And when Jesus had cried out in a loud voice, he said, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit." And having said thus he gave up the spirit.

Jn. 19:30: When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished." And he bowed his head and gave up the spirit.

So, were Jesus' last words on the cross a cry of desolation - "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" - as Mark and Matthew have it; a statement of acceptance - "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit," - as Luke has it; or were they a statement of accomplishment - "It is finished," - as John has it? Bear in mind that all three versions are given as the last words Jesus says before dying and that they are all at odds with each other. Either none of them are right or only one is. How can there be such disagreement in the word of God?

Jesus said "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me but into thy hands I commend my spirit and now It is finished," and each evangelist wrote what he remembered and seemed significant to him.

The fact that we have different wordings proves that there was a crucifixion because if it were made up they would all match.

 

[halleyscomet]

Lo, Isiah was named thus because verily one of his eyes was higher than the other. And it was funny in the sight of the Lord.

And Adam did thus say unto Eve, "That Lilith chick was too freaky for me. That's why God made you. I want you to just lie there and let me do all the work."

"But verify," Eve said, "I might feel inclined to move if I enjoy our relations!"

"Not if you want to keep this gig," Adam replied.

(Note, there is more evidence in the form of religious writing for the existence of Lilith than for the entire cast of characters unique to the Book of Mormon.)

 

[dafydd]

(Note, there is more evidence in the form of religious writing for the existence of Lilith than for the entire cast of characters unique to the Book of Mormon.)

And the Lord Of The Rings is a much more entertaining fictional book.

 

[Rincewind]

And the Lord Of The Rings is a much more entertaining fictional book.

Yeah, verily!

 

[Shalamar]

And the Lord Of The Rings is a much more entertaining fictional book.

And so it came to pass.

 

[dafydd]

And so it came to pass.

Old Joe used that when he got stuck. It was his favourite catch phrase. And it sounds biblical.

 

[Pup]

To be fair, the passage really doesn't necessarily say anything specifically about being married:

But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage

I have no idea what it says in the original language, and I'd have to go look up other context or other phrasing of the same thing elsewhere in the Bible to see how it compares, but a straightforward reading of the above passage alone could also be: no new marriages will occur, but previous marriages would not necessarily be dissolved.

Edited to add: Mormons solve the problem of multiple husbands caused by widows who remarry by only allowing one temple marriage per woman.

 

[desertgal]

Her words sound like a quote from an execrable historical novel.

Aren't they? Influenced by one, anyway.