LDS II: The Mormons

[Gulliver Foyle]

Not Mormon, and with nowhere near the level of harassment, but still.

My parents had to fight to get married, as my mum was raised Catholic and my dad Protestant and even in the 70's in the Netherlands that was an issue. They wanted to marry in a church and had to work hard to get a priest and pastor willing to cooperate, but that came with the promise that any children would be inducted in both faiths.
By the time I was old enough to care they'd both lapsed and the only reason I did some Catholic things was because I was enrolled in a Catholic school as a child (pre-highschool).

When I was an adult I moved cities and when I arrived in the new city I suddenly got all sorts of pamphlets from both the local Catholic church and Protestant one. It turns out they checked when people moved with citizen registration. I decided I did not want that, so inquired as to how to stop it.
The protestant one was easy, I just had to write in I was no longer religious and they stopped. But the Catholic church happily informed me that since I was baptized I could not stop being a member of the church, that would need an excommunication. They stopped bothering me though.

Even excommunication doesn't actually stop you being rcc, it just stops you from receiving any of the "benefits".

 

[dudalb]

I like to think that Canada is more willing to recognize indigenous people than the U.S. In American thought, white European settlers were the First Nation, and those pesky native had the gall to be on their land before they got there.


That might have been true at one time, but times have changed.
And that is aproblem I have with some progressives:they seem to be fighting battles that have been pretty much won. Vast majority of Americans admit that the treamnt of Native Americans is a national disgrace.

 

[Dad_SB_83]

And that is aproblem I have with some progressives:they seem to be fighting battles that have been pretty much won. Vast majority of Americans admit that the treamnt of Native Americans is a national disgrace.

I couldn't disagree more, this has not been my experience. You are correct that the treatment of Native Americans has been a disgrace -- which is a massive understatement -- but I've lived all over the United States and most American's don't care about issues related to Native Americans at all.

Can you give me an example of "progressives fighting a battle that has been won"?

 

[Blue Mountain]

The past and present treatment of Indigenous peoples in Canada, the USA, and indeed across North and South America could use a thread all its own.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

I like to think that Canada is more willing to recognize indigenous people than the U.S. In American thought, white European settlers were the First Nation, and those pesky native had the gall to be on their land before they got there.


That might have been true at one time, but times have changed.
And that is aproblem I have with some progressives:they seem to be fighting battles that have been pretty much won. Vast majority of Americans admit that the treamnt of Native Americans is a national disgrace.

And?

Has the US paid what is left of the Native Americans the actual worth of the land and resources they took?
Is there a massive investment into the reservations?
Has the US stopped taking native land if large companies want it?

From the outside the answer to all those questions appears to be 'no'
But you're right. Just saying 'our bad' and then never looking at it again is the right way to go.