Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

[Rincewind]

Not the real thing. Likely a relic. Is the apostle Peter really buried under the Vatican when they found Peter's bones in Israel in the 1950's?

Tom,

Can I suggest you check what a relic actually is?

Regards...

 

[Agatha]

Some of the apostles didn't have to regret that they had but one life to give to Jesus.

Their faith enabled them to die numerous times, I think the record is seven.

Simon the Zealot! Sshh, you'll attract DOC into this thread and then there'll be no telling what could happen.

 

[HighRiser]

Simon the Zealot! Sshh, you'll attract DOC into this thread and then there'll be no telling what could happen.

Hilarity would ensue! I hope!

 

[Alice Shortcake]

Originally Posted by Alice Shortcake
Honestly, the things religious loons will argue about and shed blood over. If only they could see that to outsiders their disputes make about as much sense as a row over whether pixies wash their socks in Dreft or Persil.

Please, don't let's open that can of worms again.

I'm sorry, that was insensitive of me. We shouldn't disrespect the memory of the Dreftists and Persilians who lost their lives in Great Detergent Schism of 1968.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Why do you think that family went to Jerusalem, if not for Passover?

It was not the Passover Festival that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem, pakeha. It was a census. This was revealed to us by the spirit of Ama. How many times do the Romans conduct a census?

 

[PeaceCrusader]

It was not the Passover Festival that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem, pakeha. It was a census. This was revealed to us by the spirit of Ama. How many times do the Romans conduct a census?

Ama revealed that the new king, Emperor Tiberius Caesar, announced that a census was to be conducted. The transcript in Filipino is in http://aristean.org/transcript048.htm and the audio in http://aristean.org/d12b-pah6.mp3 . So Tiberius Caesar was installed as the new Emperor when Jesus was twelve years old. Jesus created Pontius Pilate also at this occasion.

Are women required to go to Jerusalem for the Passover Festival?

Where is Bethlehem? Where is Jerusalem? Where is Nazareth?

Why did Tiberius Caesar ask for Jesus? Because he wanted to bequest his scepter and crown, or his power, to his son, even if he is an adopted son. Please check Wikipedia about Tiberius Caesar.

During his 22-year reigned, Tiberius Caesar installed the 26-year-old Pontius Pilate as Governor of Judaea.

Ama revealed this to correct the wrong notion and reveal the truth.

 

[Craig4]

You know, I really enjoyed watching the Olympics in 2012. I thought London did a great job putting them on.

 

[abaddon]

It was not the Passover Festival that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem, pakeha. It was a census. This was revealed to us by the spirit of Ama. How many times do the Romans conduct a census?

In 6 AD, when according to you, jebus was 39.

 

[Akhenaten]

It was not the Passover Festival that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem, pakeha. It was a census.

Luke 2:1-4

¹And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed.

²(And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.)

³And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city.

⁴And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David)​

Luke states that Joseph's home town was Bethlehem.

Ama states that Joseph's home town is Jerusalem.


Either Luke got it wrong, or Ama did.

This was revealed to us by the spirit of Ama.

The Bible and the spirit of Ama disagree, PeaceCrusader.

Which one is wrong?

How many times do the Romans conduct a census?

42

 

[halleyscomet]

Ama revealed that the new king, Emperor Tiberius Caesar, announced that a census was to be conducted. The transcript in Filipino is in http://aristean.org/transcript048.htm and the audio in http://aristean.org/d12b-pah6.mp3 . So Tiberius Caesar was installed as the new Emperor when Jesus was twelve years old. Jesus created Pontius Pilate also at this occasion.



Are women required to go to Jerusalem for the Passover Festival?



Where is Bethlehem? Where is Jerusalem? Where is Nazareth?



Why did Tiberius Caesar ask for Jesus? Because he wanted to bequest his scepter and crown, or his power, to his son, even if he is an adopted son. Please check Wikipedia about Tiberius Caesar.



During his 22-year reigned, Tiberius Caesar installed the 26-year-old Pontius Pilate as Governor of Judaea.



Ama revealed this to correct the wrong notion and reveal the truth.

And your evidence for all of this is...?

 

[Robrob]

PC, please answer the question (I've asked thrice) - how much money have you donated to Ama's prophetess?

 

[Akhenaten]

Ama revealed that the new king, Emperor Tiberius Caesar, announced that a census was to be conducted. The transcript in Filipino is in http://aristean.org/transcript048.htm and the audio in http://aristean.org/d12b-pah6.mp3 . So Tiberius Caesar was installed as the new Emperor when Jesus was twelve years old.

What?

You've previously asserted that Jebus died in 1 BCE. Since Tiberius became Emperor in 14 CE, Jebus was quite clearly not 12 years old at that time.

Jesus created Pontius Pilate also at this occasion.

It's just as well your god, Jebus, heresy, witchcraft and eternal damnation are all only make-believe, PeaceCrusader, or you'd be in a whole world of trouble.

Are women required to go to Jerusalem for the Passover Festival?

Nobody is/was.

Where is Bethlehem? Where is Jerusalem? Where is Nazareth?

Israel.

Why did Tiberius Caesar ask for Jesus?

What?

Because he wanted to bequest his scepter and crown, or his power, to his son, even if he is an adopted son. Please check Wikipedia about Tiberius Caesar.

I have and, believe it or not, there's not even a hint of the ridiculous story that you're relating.

During his 22-year reigned, Tiberius Caesar installed the 26-year-old Pontius Pilate as Governor of Judaea.

Pilate was installed as Prefect of Judæa in 26 CE. According to your fractured version of history, Jebus had already been dead for 27 years at that stage.

Ama revealed this to correct the wrong notion and reveal the truth.

I really can't get my head around the breathtaking suspension of reason that allows you to believe the ravings of an uneducated old witch rather than actual, recorded history.

 

[svenax]

Emperor Constantine I’s mother, Elena, threw the fourth nail into the Adriatic Sea to calm a storm was almost wiped out a town, which floated and ended up in Paris, France at Saint Denis Temple (Pasiong Mahal, page 204). Why did Elena throw one of the nails into the sea? She must have heard how one of the crucifixion nails during the first century AD was thrown into the sea which floated.

Why did Helena believe the nail thrown in the sea should float?

And how could the one that floated to Paris end up at a church that wasn't built until several hundred years later?

 

[Craig B]

It was not the Passover Festival that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem, pakeha. It was a census. This was revealed to us by the spirit of Ama. How many times do the Romans conduct a census?

It wasn't a periodic census. The region of Judaea was annexed by the Romans in 6 AD, and they held a census as they always did in a new province--to find out what resources the place had. For obvious reasons people are not known to have been required to travel to register, but did so in their own communities where it was harder for them to conceal their wealth or possessions.

The census provoked a rebellion led by a person named Judas of Galilee. It is mentioned also in Acts 5:27.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Peace Crusader, the next time you meet a priest of any denomination please tell him about Jesus making Pontius Pilate out of clay. Then come back and tell us how he reacted.

Also, do you accept that neither Constantine or Helena were 'Moors', and that Helena's father was not a king but someone of low social rank, perhaps an innkeeper? Or do you prefer to rewrite history rather than accept that Ama's words are merely nonsense made up by a poorly-educated old woman?

Pontius Pilate as a golem is not in the Holy Bible. That is why a “priest of any denomination” will be taken aback. But what I am sharing to you are revelations from a spirit, a holy spirit, who I believe is the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Where did you read “that neither Constantine or Helena” were ‘Moors’? Please read #403 on page 11 of this thread.

When history is rewritten, it will be adjusted by more than 30 years. The year 1 BC is not actually when Jesus was born but when He was crucified and died. Now, the reference used is the birth of Jesus in 1 BC.

 

[Akhenaten]

Pontius Pilate as a golem is not in the Holy Bible.

It's not anywhere other than in the delusional natterings of an old Filipina witch and her deluded followers.

That is why a “priest of any denomination” will be taken aback. But what I am sharing to you are revelations from a spirit, a holy spirit, who I believe is the spirit of Jesus Christ.

Fiddlesticks.

Where did you read “that neither Constantine or Helena” were ‘Moors’? Please read #403 on page 11 of this thread.

That post is excrement.

Helena was most likely born in Anatolia, Constantius Chlorus (Constantine's father) was from either Thrace or Illyria and Constantine himself was born in Moesia Superior (modern day Serbia).

Moors indeed.


Here's a clue for you, PeaceCrusader:

Can you see what it's telling you?​

When history is rewritten, it will be adjusted by more than 30 years.

Drivel.

Even if it turned out that you were correct about when Jebus hung his cue on the rack (and you can't possibly be since none of that stuff actually happened), the only thing that would need to be rewritten is that particular fairytale. The dates for everything else throughout history are just fine.

The year 1 BC is not actually when Jesus was born but when He was crucified and died. Now, the reference used is the birth of Jesus in 1 BC.

It's an arbitrary point at which to start the calendar and in truth doesn't mark the birth or death of anybody.

 

[Astreja]

Pontius Pilate as a golem is not in the Holy Bible. That is why a “priest of any denomination” will be taken aback. But what I am sharing to you are revelations from a spirit, a holy spirit, who I believe is the spirit of Jesus Christ.

If "Ama" is a spirit (which I doubt), it's almost certainly an evil spirit because it cannot accurately predict the future. It apparently possessed a woman in the Philippines and caused her to do unnatural things such as lie on the floor under a sheet and whistle and whoosh through the top of her head.

This "holy spirit" business is intended to deceive you, Aristeo, to make you do this evil spirit's bidding.

When history is rewritten, it will be adjusted by more than 30 years.

I predict that this will not happen. History will not be rewritten to adjust it by 30 years... Ever. Heed My words, O mortal, as My predictions are far more accurate than those of Ama.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Why do you persist in posting the lies of a con artist on a forum where the con artist's lies are ripped to shreds?

Why do you persist in believing the lies of a con artist even after their absurdity has been exposed?

Why do you believe the lies of a con artist even after the abject failure of the prophesies mentioned in this thread?

Who are you referring to as the “con artist”—the spirit of Ama or Ka Apaz? Why do you, halleyscomet, prefer not to believe in the true God? Ama said that “the people who don’t have faith in God made themselves that way” (original transcription in Filipino, http://aristean.org/transcript063.htm). They are not assigned by God not to believe in Him but they themselves assigned themselves not to believe in God.

 

[pakeha]

It was not the Passover Festival that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem, pakeha. It was a census. This was revealed to us by the spirit of Ama. How many times do the Romans conduct a census?

Hold hard, PC.
You yourself quoted the text from Luke which claims Jesus and his family went up to Jerusalem every year to celebrate the Passover.
Luke 2:41-52

41 Every year Jesus’ parents went to Jerusalem for the Festival of the Passover. 42 When he was twelve years old, they went up to the festival, according to the custom. 43 After the festival was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44 Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45 When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48 When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you.”

49 “Why were you searching for me?” he asked. “Didn’t you know I had to be in my Father’s house?”[a] 50 But they did not understand what he was saying to them.

51 Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart. 52 And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man.

Why do you say the 12 year old Jesus and his family went to Jerusalem for a census?

Ama revealed that the new king, Emperor Tiberius Caesar, announced that a census was to be conducted. The transcript in Filipino is in http://aristean.org/transcript048.htm and the audio in http://aristean.org/d12b-pah6.mp3 . So Tiberius Caesar was installed as the new Emperor when Jesus was twelve years old. Jesus created Pontius Pilate also at this occasion.

Are women required to go to Jerusalem for the Passover Festival?

Where is Bethlehem? Where is Jerusalem? Where is Nazareth?

Why did Tiberius Caesar ask for Jesus? Because he wanted to bequest his scepter and crown, or his power, to his son, even if he is an adopted son. Please check Wikipedia about Tiberius Caesar.

During his 22-year reigned, Tiberius Caesar installed the 26-year-old Pontius Pilate as Governor of Judaea.

Ama revealed this to correct the wrong notion and reveal the truth.

Wait.
Do you really not see the problems with claiming Pontius Pilate was Tiberius' adopted son and heir?
Have you ever heard of Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, better known as Caligula?

...Where did you read “that neither Constantine or Helena” were ‘Moors’? Please read #403 on page 11 of this thread. ...

Here's that post. Why didn't you link to it, PC?

20120910.1200

This is the translation to English of http://aristean.org/pahayag083.htm .

What was dug in Jerusalem

Ama: Now, regarding the burial place for Me which was the burial place that Nicodemus owned, as soon as I was not found in the tomb for three days, they built a church there that they call Venus and did not allow anyone into the church.
Marcial Aguila: Why?
Ama: They did not allow anyone in. Because, the people were very respectful that is why they did not allow anyone in.
In the desire of Queen Elena to get the cross to take care, including the nails, King Constantine fought. They were Moors. Saint Helena was a Moor. They warred against the Romans until the prince defeated them. As soon as they had Rome, immediately, the church [at Jerusalem] was demolished and the burial place excavated. And they really saw the burial place.
And they saw the three crosses and they also saw the twelve nails, eight of which are rusty already. The crosses were almost rotten due to a long period of time being buried. Then, they did not know which cross that Saint Helena desired. What they did then was put the cross beside a rich widow who was sick and about the die. About the die already.
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: And the illness went away. The reason why Queen Helena desired to get the cross was because her father king was sick and she thought that the cross would cure him.
And after those events, they gathered again, what is “kinalap”? – gathered together, the nail, the cross, the “birang”(?) (maybe the sign) and all the things that I used in My passion – that is passion?
Marcial: Yes.
Ama: They gathered together and put them at Mount Calvary – at the place of crucifixion that an angel got and took to Heaven. That is clear.

This transcription is from tape k15b, 15:16-18.19

These revelations of a seeress show why belief in visions and prophecies is so dangerous.
How could you possibly believe this nonsense, PC?
Constantine and his mum weren't Moors and no quantity of visions can make them so.

 

[Akhenaten]

Who are you referring to as the “con artist”—the spirit of Ama or Ka Apaz? Why do you, halleyscomet, prefer not to believe in the true God? Ama said that “the people who don’t have faith in God made themselves that way” (original transcription in Filipino, http://aristean.org/transcript063.htm). They are not assigned by God not to believe in Him but they themselves assigned themselves not to believe in God.