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Are the crucifixion nails of Jesus in Europe?

PeaceCrusader said:
Emperor Constantine I’s mother, Elena, threw the fourth nail into the Adriatic Sea to calm a storm was almost wiped out a town, which floated and ended up in Paris, France at Saint Denis Temple (Pasiong Mahal, page 204). Why did Elena throw one of the nails into the sea? She must have heard how one of the crucifixion nails during the first century AD was thrown into the sea which floated.
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How was it Elena found four nails, if one of the four had been thrown into the sea in the first century?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
This is what the spirit of Ama told us: {snip Maria Alvaran fiction that isn't nearly as good as Springy G's version}
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Please stop repeating the same dreary things over and over again, Aristeo. Your stories contradict history, geography, physics, biology, Bible scholarship, and common sense. The only way they could be true is if the god you worship was a complete and utter lunatic.
 



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The Holy Family went to Jerusalem

Luke 2:40-52 state that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem to attend the Passover Festival. Was is really the Passover Festival why they went to Jerusalem?

It was during this time when Jesus created the golem Pontius Pilate.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Luke 2:40-52 state that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem to attend the Passover Festival. Was is really the Passover Festival why they went to Jerusalem?
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No, it's just a fairy tale and none of the events in it actually happened.


PeaceCrusader said:
It was during this time when Jesus created the golem Pontius Pilate.
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Again, no. Nonsense like that is to ridiculous too be included even in something as patently make-believe as the New Testament.
 
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PeaceCrusader said:
You, Astreja, have such a fertile imagination of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, and Pontius Pilate. That is fiction.
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And then you follow that with this:
This is what the spirit of Ama told us:
Mary Magdalene was a very beautiful woman. She was not a prostitute. She seduced Jesus but Jesus told her what His mission in this world is. She understood what He said and she stopped.

Do you know what happened when Jesus was twelve years old? This is in Luke 2:40-52. FYI, this was the time when the golem Pontius Pilate was created by Jesus. When Pontius Pilate died and was to be buried, the weather was very bad; the earthquake did not stopped; and there was flooding. So they threw his body into the sea but the weather worsened. Then they threw one of the nails used in the crucifixion of Jesus into the sea and the weather calmed down and the earthquake stopped. This nail floated and was found by Saint James in Paris, France. This nail is now in Carpentras, France.
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PeaceCrusader said:
Yes, Craig B, I will change Roman chronology by more than 30 years. Why? Because people think that since Exodus, the Jews had been using a lunisolar calendar (like what is being used now). They do not know that it was only when the Jews were exiled in Babylon in the 7th century BC that they learned about the Babylonian lunisolar calendar. During the time of Jesus, the Jews were using two types of calendars—a purely lunar calendar and a lunisolar calendar.



Why can’t God stop the spirit of Ama? Because Ama is Jesus Christ Himself. And Jesus Christ is God. Believe it or not.
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Why do you persist in posting the lies of a con artist on a forum where the con artist's lies are ripped to shreds?

Why do you persist in believing the lies of a con artist even after their absurdity has been exposed?

Why do you believe the lies of a con artist even after the abject failure of the prophesies mentioned in this thread?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Luke 2:40-52 state that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem to attend the Passover Festival. Was is really the Passover Festival why they went to Jerusalem?

It was during this time when Jesus created the golem Pontius Pilate.
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And Harry Potter went to Hogwarts. It must be true, it's written in a book.
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Luke 2:40-52 state that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem to attend the Passover Festival. Was is really the Passover Festival why they went to Jerusalem?

It was during this time when Jesus created the golem Pontius Pilate.
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Why do you think that family went to Jerusalem, if not for Passover?
 
PeaceCrusader said:
Luke 2:40-52 state that the Holy Family went to Jerusalem to attend the Passover Festival. Was is really the Passover Festival why they went to Jerusalem?

It was during this time when Jesus created the golem Pontius Pilate.
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He took his Mum with him when he went to make the Golem? Where did he get the clay?
 
PC, you say, absurdly
Yes, Craig B, I will change Roman chronology by more than 30 years. Why? Because people think that since Exodus, the Jews had been using a lunisolar calendar (like what is being used now). They do not know that it was only when the Jews were exiled in Babylon in the 7th century BC that they learned about the Babylonian lunisolar calendar. During the time of Jesus, the Jews were using two types of calendars—a purely lunar calendar and a lunisolar calendar.
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But we get information about events occurring in the Roman Empire from people using the Roman calendar! Also, as I've stated, we have astronomical evidence, which isn't affected by changes in the Jewish calendar, which I think you're talking rubbish about, by the way.
 
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pakeha said:
Helen is an interesting character in her own right and the story of how she found the nails is amusing enough:
"St. Helen ordered that the pagan temple be demolished. After praying, the ground began to be excavated. Soon, the Tomb of the Lord was uncovered. Not far from it were three crosses ... "
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The location of this discovered Calvary was very convenient! Here's A W Kinglake, touring the Jerusalem sites in the 1840s. He's in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
... you ask your dragoman whether there will be time before sunset to procure horses and take a ride to Mount Calvary. Mount Calvary, signor?—eccolo! it is upstairs—on the first floor. In effect you ascend, if I remember rightly, just thirteen steps, and then you are shown the now golden sockets in which the crosses of our Lord and the two thieves were fixed. All this is startling.
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(Kinglake. “Eothen, or, Traces of Travel Brought Home from the East.”) Kinglake kindly attributes this propinquity to the expansion of the city; but how it can have expanded from the ground to the upper floor of the same Church, I know not!
 
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Craig B said:
He took his Mum with him when he went to make the Golem? Where did he get the clay?
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More importantly, how did a golem made in Palestine get Roman Citizenship and patronage sufficient to get such a political position? How did he fabricate the evidence needed to claim he was older than he actually was?

He must have been a horrifying monster to condemn the man who literally crafted him from clay to be crucified.

How could Jesus create such an evil, vindictive, cruel man?

If Jesus was perfect, how did he create a monster?
 
Peace Crusader, the next time you meet a priest of any denomination please tell him about Jesus making Pontius Pilate out of clay. Then come back and tell us how he reacted.

Also, do you accept that neither Constantine or Helena were 'Moors', and that Helena's father was not a king but someone of low social rank, perhaps an innkeeper? Or do you prefer to rewrite history rather than accept that Ama's words are merely nonsense made up by a poorly-educated old woman?
 
Ah, this thread is truly the gift that keeps on giving!

Craig B said:
pakeha said:
Helen is an interesting character in her own right and the story of how she found the nails is amusing enough:
"St. Helen ordered that the pagan temple be demolished. After praying, the ground began to be excavated. Soon, the Tomb of the Lord was uncovered. Not far from it were three crosses ... "
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The location of this discovered Calvary was very convenient! Here's A W Kinglake, touring the Jerusalem sites in the 1840s. He's in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
... you ask your dragoman whether there will be time before sunset to procure horses and take a ride to Mount Calvary. Mount Calvary, signor?—eccolo! it is upstairs—on the first floor. In effect you ascend, if I remember rightly, just thirteen steps, and then you are shown the now golden sockets in which the crosses of our Lord and the two thieves were fixed. All this is startling.
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(Kinglake. “Eothen, or, Traces of Travel Brought Home from the East.”) Kinglake kindly attributes this propinquity to the expansion of the city; but how it can have expanded from the ground to the upper floor of the same Church, I know not!
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I had to read the description twice before I twigged!
 
Alice Shortcake said:
Honestly, the things religious loons will argue about and shed blood over. If only they could see that to outsiders their disputes make about as much sense as a row over whether pixies wash their socks in Dreft or Persil.
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Please, don't let's open that can of worms again.:boggled:
 
Tom Skylark said:
Not the real thing. Likely a relic. Is the apostle Peter really buried under the Vatican when they found Peter's bones in Israel in the 1950's?
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Some of the apostles didn't have to regret that they had but one life to give to Jesus.

Their faith enabled them to die numerous times, I think the record is seven.
 
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