Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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Machiavelli said:
Curatolo was believed by all courts who questioned him directly, so your generic opinions and prejudices are all beyond the point. The consistency of his words is before everyone to see, you can assess it yourself. My opinion about scientific properties of morphine doesn't matter (you are not in a position to object to it anyway).

Knox is instead a relevant point: she is inconsistent, not believable and she is contradicted by witnesses (such as Anna Donnino and Filomena) and by findings.
This is objective. It has nothing to do with Knox's morality or psychology. It is only the mind of the pro-Knox supporters that want to would like to make the credibility "depend" on her being called a "whore" or a "whitch".
Actually, it's you and your side who call Knox a whore (and Guede a pimp).
Knox is a liar because she is a liar, it's self-evident from her testimonies, oral and written, it does not depend on other judgements nor on any other inference about her personality.
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You just spent an entire week assassinating her character by suggesting she's a whore and today you have the nerve to proclaim it was us ? ? ?

Add this one to the list Bill !!!
 
So I've been trying to understand what really happened the night Miss Meredith Kercher died a horrible death, especially as she died apparently suffocating, err, drowning in her own blood as her lungs filled up due to her throat being cut by Rudy Guede, as he attempted and did so, rape Meredith.

As I've read the Old Perugia Shock for years,
I've remembered this photo:

Which shows the bruises on Meredith.

It sure looks like someone was attacking her to force her to submit to a rape.
There are bruises on her elbow, her hips, her legs.
^^^^^^^ Guede!
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I've also remembered this photo below,
of which LMT posted similiar images on that old blog.

This illustration shows the throat wound:



Here is THE KNIFE, with it's, what is it Strozzi, an 8" blade:


It was seized from Raff's pad by a cop who used intuition,
because it was clean. Didn't it smell of bleach too?

Here's another comparison of The Knife and The Bloody Outline,
which JREF Italian Member Machiavelli believes is a match,
or is that Not Incompatable, to The Imprint?:



Some say that Amanda Knox used that knife to cook afterwards,
a sign of a horribly ^^^^^^-up person, IMHO.

But as Halides1 stated recently, in a posting titled Full Fathom Five:
Why wouldn't the DNA (which somehow survived the cleaning, be swept off of the blade by the bread? Here we have a knife with Amanda's DNA, with starch, and supposedly without blood. The blood would have to be cleaned off, but in such a way as not to remove the starch or DNA in two places? I cannot fathom how.
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Hmmmm. Ok, smart cop.
BUT wait a sec, it is too big.

If shoved all the way into Miss Kerchers throat,
it surely would have (almost?) decapitated her...

Did it?

Who would kill an animal, (if hunting),
or a person you were trying to rape BUT who was fighting back,
by only shoving their knife part of the way into that animal or persons body?
You'd shove it in right to the hilt, right?

The Knife,
which does nor even fit The Imprint, as noted above,
should surely have Meredith's blood and DNA in the seam of its handle, right?

Does it?


Links:
http://web.archive.org/web/20101015182744/http://perugia-shock.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html
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http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/TheKnife.html
 
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RWVBWL said:
Hi Poppy1016,
Keep looking at that photo.

That blood spot,
as shown on Meredith Kercher's bed sheet right past the end,
in my humble opinion, is from dripping off the knife tip as Guede laid the murder weapon down.

Also check out the color and thickness of the blood on the bottom of the knife tips blade, which is also imprinted.

IMHO,
The REAL Knife,
The Murder Weapon, was curved up at the tip on the bottom,
and downwards on the top...
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Hi RW. I know the print and the knife are not the same, just wondering if the print may have been somewhat distorted.
 
Bill Williams said:
Curatolo was believed by all courts who questioned him directly, so your generic opinions and prejudices are all beyond the point. The consistency of his words is before everyone to see, you can assess it yourself. My opinion about scientific properties of morphine doesn't matter (you are not in a position to object to it anyway).

Knox is instead a relevant point: she is inconsistent, not believable and she is contradicted by witnesses (such as Anna Donnino and Filomena) and by findings.
This is objective. It has nothing to do with Knox's morality or psychology. It is only the mind of the pro-Knox supporters that want to would like to make the credibility "depend" on her being called a "whore" or a "whitch".
Actually, it's you and your side who call Knox a whore (and Guede a pimp).

Knox is a liar because she is a liar, it's self-evident from her testimonies, oral and written, it does not depend on other judgements nor on any other inference about her personality.
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GreyFox said:
You just spent an entire week assassinating her character by suggesting she's a whore and today you have the nerve to proclaim it was us ? ? ?

Add this one to the list Bill !!!
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I am truly having trouble keeping track. Some time in the future I am going to accuse with malice and aforethought Machiavelli of accusing FOA of calling Knox a w****, and he'll deny he ever said it.

That's the way this works, apparently. Haters get to say whatever they want, with full deniability assumed.

It's time for me to 'fess up. Truly I have a pea brain. It's impossible to keep up with Machiavelli on this. I had at cut and paste text file in WordPad somewhere, but keep forgetting the folder it's in.
 
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Hi Poppy1016,
Just putting info out there,
it's up to you, and others to decide,
as we all need to satisfy our curiousity about what really happened 1 terrible night in Perugia, Italy.

And photos do add an amazing difference as we form our own opinions...
Keep posting, luv your input too!
RW


PS: OT-I'm on the beaches of L.A. daily,
I've yet to see any debris, yet.
It's out there though, NE, I believe, of Hawaii,
and it's the size of Texas!!!
 
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Hey Rw, quick question. I know it is off topic and I apologize, but are you seeing any effects from Fukishima out your way?
 
not enough weight to this case

Machiavelli said:
Oh yes I do think the match on the bed sheet is compatible with the kitchen knife found in Sollecito's apartment.
And I don't think at all that the print shows a particular shape of the knife.

I don't think the stain is anyway an 'imprint' the way that a footprint would be, because the knife is not a foot. It's a light object that was smeared with blood irregularly and had a very partial contact with a sheet, and some blood dropped on it. There is little information this can offer, beyond an approximate lenght of the knife blade and an outline suggesting the shape of the point.
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It had enough weight to leave an imprint. It's right there in front of your face. You may need to explain this one further .The imprint is clearly the outer edge of the knife. It's not missing any more material.

Did anyone ever ask Guede where the knife from the school is? Did the police take it ? If not then where does Rudy claim it is ? You didn't answer this question that was asked previously from other posters.

Why wouldn't the police test the knives at the cottage for blood from Merideth and DNA from either Rudy or Patrik ? They never claimed to cook at the cottage !
 
Where or where...

yimyammer said:
Am I reading your link correctly and these are the knives from Rafs kitchen?
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Hiya yimyyammer!
Here are Raff's kitchen knives,

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And here are the kitchen knives
from Filomena, Laura, Meredith,+ Amanda's flat too:



Supprisingly, no mater what Machiavelli states,
NONE of them match that bloody outline left on Miss Kercher's bed sheet the night she was murdered.

But here's a question for ya:
Where are the photo's of the knives from Patrick Lumumba's home kitchen, or his bar?

He was once The Main Knife Wielding Suspect in Miss Kercher's horrible, bloody murder.
Didn't Amanda Knox finger him, throw him under the bus, so to say, that HE was the murderer of Miss Kercher?

Where are his bar + apartment kitchen knife photo's?

And where are The Knife photo's from Rudy Guede's apartment,
ya know, the place that RG rented for $320.00 Euro a month,
of which that rent was due that same day that Miss Kercher had her own rent $$$ stolen
and then she was so horribly murdered and raped?

You remember Rudy, don'tcha?
Didn't he leave his semen on a pillowcase underneath Meredith's naked body DNA inside of Miss Kercher, right?

Many years after this horrible murder occurred,
I'm still left wondering, where's the knife photographs from The 2 Main Suspects?
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Yummi, yummi...

Heya Machiavelli,
I always luved that avatar photo that you shot!
And as you know, bein' a dude who luvs shottin' photographs too,
they just capture the true experience of the scene, right?

So come on our Italian buddy,
please join us here+step up to the plate to give us JREF members a great rebuttal to The Knife questions and photographs of which we have posted here.

But please, keep it short, bro!
Awaiting your reply...
:D
RW


PS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRxaXmXvjnU
 
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Poppy1016 said:
Hi RW. I know the print and the knife are not the same, just wondering if the print may have been somewhat distorted.
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It doesn't look like the bloody imprint on the sheet has been significantly distorted in any fashion, since there are clear straight-line edges and smooth blade curves visible.

Also, had the sheet been folded over on itself when the knife left the imprint, the apparent dimensions of the print could only appear increased when the sheet was flattened out for photographing. For example, if an object of 10cm width made an impression on a folded-over sheet, its apparent width upon unfolding of the sheet might be, say, 15cm. What's obvious is that the ruffled sheet problem could not lead to the apparent print being smaller than the actual object that left the print.

And since the blade imprint on the sheet is significantly narrower in width than the width of Sollecito's kitchen knife, this means that there's no chance that it was Sollecito's knife that left the impression - whether upon a ruffled sheet or a flat sheet. That would only have been a possibility if the sheet imprint had been at least the same width (or wider) as the width of Sollecito's kitchen knife.

In summary, it's impossible for Sollecito's kitchen knife, Exhibit 36, to be compatible with the bloody knife impression left on the sheet.

(The prosecutors knew this, of course - as well as knowing that Sollecito's knife definitely couldn't have caused at least one of Meredith's throat wounds - and this is what gave rise to their ludicrous "multiple knives held at Meredith's throat" nonsense.)
 
tsig said:
The police probably slapped him on the back of the head, we all know that will make you spout out anything, even accuse your boss of the crime.
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I'm sure the many proven victims of coerced confessions resulting from police misconduct will be snorting coffee out through their noses in laughter at your hilarious epigram.

Now, about this business of only idiots being capable of believing in Knox's (and presumably also Sollecito's?) guilt...... I don't think that's strictly true myself, but I do think that a belief in their guilt is a product of one or more of the following: poor reasoning, ignorance, bias, personality issues related to the believer, personal animosities, or plain idiocy.

What do YOU think though? Why do you think people believe in Knox's (and Sollecito's?) guilt? What do YOU think motivates such people to hold those beliefs? Do YOU believe in their guilt? If so, why?

Thanks in advance.
 
LondonJohn said:
It doesn't look like the bloody imprint on the sheet has been significantly distorted in any fashion, since there are clear straight-line edges and smooth blade curves visible.

Also, had the sheet been folded over on itself when the knife left the imprint, the apparent dimensions of the print could only appear increased when the sheet was flattened out for photographing. For example, if an object of 10cm width made an impression on a folded-over sheet, its apparent width upon unfolding of the sheet might be, say, 15cm. What's obvious is that the ruffled sheet problem could not lead to the apparent print being smaller than the actual object that left the print.

And since the blade imprint on the sheet is significantly narrower in width than the width of Sollecito's kitchen knife, this means that there's no chance that it was Sollecito's knife that left the impression - whether upon a ruffled sheet or a flat sheet. That would only have been a possibility if the sheet imprint had been at least the same width (or wider) as the width of Sollecito's kitchen knife.

In summary, it's impossible for Sollecito's kitchen knife, Exhibit 36, to be compatible with the bloody knife impression left on the sheet.

(The prosecutors knew this, of course - as well as knowing that Sollecito's knife definitely couldn't have caused at least one of Meredith's throat wounds - and this is what gave rise to their ludicrous "multiple knives held at Meredith's throat" nonsense.)
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Thanks LJ , I tend to agree, just wanted a second opinion.
 
Wasn't it TWO knives?

I take it that Mignini, and his tireless surrogate crew, who sock-puppeteer as "Yummi" and "Machiavelli", no longer advocate the Three-Attackers-With-Two (or is that Three?)-Knives "theory of the crime"?

Wasn't that it, for at least two years?

And now what? It just gets dropped, as if it was never broached?

Machiavelli !?

HELLO !?

Please DO enlighten us.

(As if).
 
Supernaut said:
I take it that Mignini, and his tireless surrogate crew, who sock-puppeteer as "Yummi" and "Machiavelli", no longer advocate the Three-Attackers-With-Two (or is that Three?)-Knives "theory of the crime"?

Wasn't that it, for at least two years?

And now what? It just gets dropped, as if it was never broached?

Machiavelli !?

HELLO !?

Please DO enlighten us.

(As if).
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If Monday's prosecution takes this line, that says all you need to know about Machiavelli.
 
from the other side - interestingly they just happen to be having a Curatolo convo -

It's not just from 'time to time'. It's every time he stopped to smoke a cigarette, after 20-30 minutes of reading. He states earlier he smoked 4-5 times that night (5 times means that in two hours, he's stopping to smoke every 25 minutes or so, which corresponds to his reading time estimate).

As I said, it's untenable that Knox and Sollecito would go away and come back at precisely the times Curatolo smoked (which he repeatedly notes take from a few to 5 minutes.) It's far more likely they were there at the piazza for two hours.

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Maybe to you as a native speaker it sounds these sightings occurred regularly every 25 minutes or so. To me he seems like he's trying to be helpful by giving average times and it does not foreclose the possibility that the sightings were fewer than five and clustered. As an experiment just watch someone studying and see how often they stop and look around. It is not regular intervals.​

The one playing the apologist has now moved Curatolo to a student of something.

The thing is as I noted up-thread smokers tend to smoke at rather regular intervals. Not all the time and not under all circumstances, but on the whole fairly regularly as the lack of nicotine calls for more.

Now of course he could easily have looked up between cigs a couple of times. There is no doubt from the testimony that the kids in his eyes were there from 9:30 until almost midnight and weren't ever to his knowledge not there when he looked up.

Now, I don't think it is totally odd for a couple of young lovers to be out on a dry 53° F night and had they done anything like Curatolo said they would have admitted it or in fact used it for their alibi. They would have seen him seeing them and it would have made immensely more sense to stick to as much of the truth as possible.

It isn't that two young lovers wouldn't hang out in a park, it is that two people in the middle of a murder with blood literally on their hands and clothes wouldn't hang out there. If they did murder and hang out they would have said that at some point in the evening they decided to go out for a walk and went to the plaza as they wouldn't want a witness to come forward and say they had been there.
 
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