Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[NancyS]

I think their mistake was not admitting they were at the house. Should have said they came home and Rudy had run out already and then they found the body.
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If guilty, they would just have blamed Rudy - he was their perfect get out of jail card

Once you prove they were at the house, you really wrapped up the conviction.

Knox probably told them she was there because she thought for sure they would find evidence of her being there. who knows.

Well I think the police just about proved that Amanda might have lived there

 

[snook1]

ok, I'm confused. I'm hearing both sides say it is bad news for the other side. Somebody has to be wrong.

The C/V report didn't refute Stefoni's report, as I understand it. I think they conceded it was Rafeael's DNA on the bra clasp.

They just said contamiation was possible but they didn't prove that.

I don't know how this could be bad news for Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito. As to your understanding of C&V's report - I think you should give it another read (or a first, solid one).

 

[acbytesla]

It didn't take me long to figure out that she was completely innocent, but I had no idea what she was like as a person. So I paid attention to what her friends and family said. They would know, right? Better than Barbie Nadeau.

And sure enough, once I met her, and got to know her a little, I realized her friends and family had described her very accurately.

I went from thinking she was guilty then innocent, then guilty. But truthfully, I had learned almost nothing about the case during that period.

I saw Amanda and Raffaele kissing and how they were portrayed at first and figured they must be guilty, then I heard the stories about satanic rituals and sex orgies gone wrong and then I was convinced that they must be innocent because those stories HAD TO BE BS.

But then still not paying attention, I saw that they were convicted. Surely, I thought the jury must have some ironclad information that I didn't.

Finally, I started reading on my own and then I thought all of Italy must be on drugs and there is no way in hell Amanda and Raffaele did this.

I don't like to judge people through their friends or enemies. I like judging for myself. But I do think family and friends are important. Notice the difference between how Rudy's adopted Italian family dealt with Rudy being arrested and tried for this horrible crime and how Amanda and Raffaele's family dealt with their children.

Rudy's parents were not surprised. They pretty much disowned him. His father called him a prolific liar. But Amanda and Raffaele's parents stood right there behind their children. Doing everything that could, because they know their children.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

ask the people who know them the best

I don't like to judge people through their friends or enemies. I like judging for myself. But I do think family and friends are important. Notice the difference between how Rudy's adopted Italian family dealt with Rudy being arrested and tried for this horrible crime and how Amanda and Raffaele's family dealt with their children.

Rudy's parents were not surprised. They pretty much disowned him. His father called him a prolific liar. But Amanda and Raffaele's parents stood right there behind their children. Doing everything that could, because they know their children.

I have sometimes been accused of drawing too many parallels bwteen the Duke lacrosse case and this one. But I learned from that case some things that have helped me navigate through the "fog of nonsense",^TM in this one: to pay attention to what those around the the accused are saying, and to try to obtain information straight from the horse's mouth whenever possible. With respect to the DL case, the father of one of the three accused said that in some ways his son was a better man than he could hope to be. That is a far stronger statement than "My son deserves a vigorous defense," would have been, for example. This student's essay on a topic in bioethics did not suggest to me that he was the monster he was made out to be.

In this case Amanda's friends and one Seattle employer were clear as can be about her good character. It is helpful, too, to mention her short story "Baby Brother" in this context. Far from glorifying or even condoning date rape, it conveys the disappointment that the older brother feels in his younger brother's immoral conduct.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

I went from thinking she was guilty then innocent, then guilty. But truthfully, I had learned almost nothing about the case during that period.

I saw Amanda and Raffaele kissing and how they were portrayed at first and figured they must be guilty, then I heard the stories about satanic rituals and sex orgies gone wrong and then I was convinced that they must be innocent because those stories HAD TO BE BS.

But then still not paying attention, I saw that they were convicted. Surely, I thought the jury must have some ironclad information that I didn't.

Finally, I started reading on my own and then I thought all of Italy must be on drugs and there is no way in hell Amanda and Raffaele did this.

I don't like to judge people through their friends or enemies. I like judging for myself. But I do think family and friends are important. Notice the difference between how Rudy's adopted Italian family dealt with Rudy being arrested and tried for this horrible crime and how Amanda and Raffaele's family dealt with their children.

Rudy's parents were not surprised. They pretty much disowned him. His father called him a prolific liar. But Amanda and Raffaele's parents stood right there behind their children. Doing everything that could, because they know their children.

I had an advantage from the start, because this is a particular interest of mine. I became fascinated with crime stories many years ago, primarily because a couple of cases that drew my interest turned out to be completely different from what the authorities had said. I started to really follow crime news, and the more I did, the more interested I became. I quickly figured out that reporters get essentially all their information from police, and they toe the police line because otherwise the police will shut them out of the next story. So I learned to be skeptical of crime reporting and the police hoopla following an arrest.

At the same time, I know the police are right more often than not. In Nov. 2007, I thought it entirely possible that Amanda might be another Justina Morley or Kelly Ellard, a loser with loser friends who committed a pointless murder. It does happen.

But those cases are usually easy to solve, and they stay solved. The story does not change substantially as new details emerge.

For me the epiphany came in late December or early January following the arrests. I hadn't been following the case all that closely. One day I read an article where I realized neither Amanda nor Raffaele had said a word about Guede when they supposedly collapsed under interrogation. That told me they had to be innocent. If Amanda was involved and was willing to roll on herself, she'd have rolled on Guede in a heartbeat.

But, if they pressured her into a statement and she truly didn't know who her accomplice was supposed to be...

That was when I started to pay attention, and I saw all the obvious problems I hadn't noticed earlier, because I hadn't looked closely enough.

It's like one of those magic eye pictures. Once you see it, there's no mistaking it.

 

[JREF2010]

ok, I'm confused. I'm hearing both sides say it is bad news for the other side. Somebody has to be wrong.

The C/V report didn't refute Stefoni's report, as I understand it. I think they conceded it was Rafeael's DNA on the bra clasp.

They just said contamiation was possible but they didn't prove that.

That's not really how I read it. C&V stated the data of Stefonani was marginal, not reproduced, poorly done and didn't follow standard protocol, used RFU levels below the tools recommended level, ignored some peaks that would have made it someone elses, didn't explain there were several peoples DNA on the bra clasp. If its not contamination on the bra clasp then the police need get hunting for 3 more people....etc..

I think C&V made a comment that using Stefonanis method you could make anyones DNA appear, even the Judges could be claimed to be on the bra clasp.
She counted some peaks and not other, was a damaging issue for Stefonani's work.

And you have to remember all the required prosecution, including Stefonani, were present during the C&V, so that's another reason this court upheld C&V's data.

my 2 cents...

 

[acbytesla]

Blood on a bathroom floor mat, in plain view.

I thought that there was supposed to have been a clean-up done?
Ya know, to cover up the crime.
Right...

Anyways, just for fun, here's that bloody bathmat print and some footprints photo's to compare it with:
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Why does that footprint look like Rudy Guede's?

A link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20100806.../2009/09/sollecitos-expert-questions-all.html

I don't know how it is remotely possible to make a positive ID from the bathmat print. I've stared out these pictures for a very long time and I know I can't do it. The prints from Rudy and Raffaele were taken under ideal conditions. I'm sure that Rudy and Raffaele put even pressure in these samples.

The bathmat print on the other hand was made very differently. There is no way to know if the person who made this print was putting pressure on the outside or the inside of their feet. As I said before, you might be able to use this print to eliminate a potential suspect, but not to match one.

 

[Bill Williams]

that trial was thrown out so I don't think the C/V stuff is relevant. I thought the Supreme Court were not happy with C/V and may have thought they were bought by the defense.

Just to correct you a tad.... the "trial" was not thrown out, the verdict was.

The thing about, "the Supreme Court were not happy with C/V and may have thought they were bought by the defense," is a guilter interpretation of the ISC... in fact, the ISC did not throw out C&V, what the Supreme court ordered was, as seen this past week, was more testing. In fact, that testing upheld C&V on important points and showed the same shortcomings of of Stefanoni's original work as the C&V report pointed out.

In any event, this is not something you or I or guilters or innocentatii are going to resolve. Nencini will make a finding, and we can start our argument with Nencini.

Judge Hellmann was held to be in good standing with gulters, for instance, until Hellmann acquited. It was Hellmann's findings which made him the devil incarnate for guilters. When C&V were first appointed by the Hellmann court, guilters said then what some are saying now - that the curtain will come down on Knox and Sollecito. The fact is otherwise, that everyone since Stefanoni and everyone outside of the Italian court system has been unanimous about.... Stefanoni's work was substandard and probably did not point to what the Massei Court concluded that it pointed to.

Everything in the DNA field done subsequent to Stefanoni, including Hampikian in Idaho, has been the same..... Stefanoni, Ph.D. or no Ph.D., Dr. or no Dr., produced junk science.

As a result Andrea Vogt has stopped writing about this - save for pointing to Edward McCall's guilter Wiki....

So.... no, it is not a 50-50 split of opinion depending on who you talk to.... from everyone past Stefanoni right up to the Ris Carabinieri of this last week, everyone qualified to speak on the subject has said that Stefanoni's results were junk.

So it's no good trying to make it seem like this is murky and unknowable. There's been too much of that these past 6 years since Meredith's horrible death.

This is knowable. Rudy did it. Caso chiuso. All the DNA inquiry, save for Stefanoni's, proves it.

 

[Bill Williams]

Well a retraction would be her stating that "Patrick was there, I don't know why I said he was". She just said she remembered she was not there but it seemed like the truth. In my view, she's trying to have it both ways.

There might have been other false confessons but I think you have to prove motive for these cops to want to force Knox to accuse Patrick. Given the investigation just started, it doesn't seem like they would have any evidence pointing to Patrick, outsiide of Knox's text to him See You Later. I think Knox actually had the idea of accusing Patrick when they asked about the text, because it seemed plausible that the two of them saw each other later that night.

I'd hesitate to call it a motive, but the cops had obvious reason to solve this case quickly. Perugia was and is a college town, and a college student was murdered. The pressure was enormous to solve this case - esp. since it involved the child of someone involved in the UK tabloid industry, one of the places which sent students to Perugia. The Kerchers themselves have since acknowledged all this by started a student fund in Perugia for someone to come study there.

As John Douglas said, the other factor in this was this - this was a "career case" for everyone in Perugia, esp. the PLE. For people like Douglas, the horribleness of the crime, unfortunately for him, was simply another day at the office. For Ficarra, Napoleoni, Stefanoni perhaps even Mignini and Comodi this was once in a lifetime that could very well define their careers....

..... which of course it seems to be doing.... not as they had wished. Esp. for Mignini and Stefanoni.... Napoleoni seems to have had more recent troubles to occupy her.

 

[Antony]

It's like one of those magic eye pictures. Once you see it, there's no mistaking it.

Yes, and this is the frustrating thing about wrongful convictions. You notice them because they seem unlikely, or because the police "solved" them too easily; then they reveal themselves for what they are because the "evidence" supporting them isn't really evidence.

Yet when they're so obvious to those of us in the cheap seats, why is it that the "professional" judges and police can't get them right, and then dig their heels in long after the verdicts become unsustainable?

 

[xinonix]

What the guilters are really saying is maybe the evidence proves their guilt.
Like with the knife, they might say that 1 test found Meredith's DNA on the blade.
Which means maybe Meredith's DNA was on the blade. This is not signifigant, because even if there was a molecule of her DNA on the blade, it must have got on the knife after it was cleaned.
You guilters have to come up with a smoking gun i.e. a piece of evidence that proves they were there to people who are skeptical.
Most guys think that if Amanda were in their bed that night, He and Amanda would be rockin' and rollin' to the break of dawn, and if they were asked to go over and do a satanic rite with Meredith, they would say "Why can't we do that tomorrow?" not yes.

You guys have to show us something we can be 100% sure of. If you don't, we will go with the Mignini and the psychic theory. i.e. Mignini knew who killed her because the psychic told him, and then he used his imagination to think up the rest of his case.

 

[xinonix]

"but the cops had obvious reason to solve this case quickly. Perugia was and is "
It is a town in Italy. They had a reason to solve this case, but they didn't have to do this quickly, they had to do it right. Sometimes you have to take your time and be patient in Italy. My Dad took his FIAT to the dealer to get it fixed, they needed a part and he had to wait until the next week until the spare arrived after it's trip from the warehouse in Italy.

 

[RandyN]

I don't know how it is remotely possible to make a positive ID from the bathmat print. I've stared out these pictures for a very long time and I know I can't do it. The prints from Rudy and Raffaele were taken under ideal conditions. I'm sure that Rudy and Raffaele put even pressure in these samples.

The bathmat print on the other hand was made very differently. There is no way to know if the person who made this print was putting pressure on the outside or the inside of their feet. As I said before, you might be able to use this print to eliminate a potential suspect, but not to match one.

Ever seen DanO's presentation?

 

[RandyN]

I'd hesitate to call it a motive, but the cops had obvious reason to solve this case quickly. Perugia was and is a college town, and a college student was murdered. The pressure was enormous to solve this case - esp. since it involved the child of someone involved in the UK tabloid industry, one of the places which sent students to Perugia. The Kerchers themselves have since acknowledged all this by started a student fund in Perugia for someone to come study there.

As John Douglas said, the other factor in this was this - this was a "career case" for everyone in Perugia, esp. the PLE. For people like Douglas, the horribleness of the crime, unfortunately for him, was simply another day at the office. For Ficarra, Napoleoni, Stefanoni perhaps even Mignini and Comodi this was once in a lifetime that could very well define their careers....

..... which of course it seems to be doing.... not as they had wished. Esp. for Mignini and Stefanoni.... Napoleoni seems to have had more recent troubles to occupy her.

I would just like to add that Mignini who was in charge of everybody for the investigation of this crime was facing serious charges against him in his last wrongful prosecution. Charges of abuse of office and power were pending against him and he NEEDED something to distract the attention away from his last debacle. Good job Mignini you are truly an idiot!

 

[RandyN]

What the guilters are really saying is maybe the evidence proves their guilt. Like with the knife, they might say that 1 test found Meredith's DNA on the blade.Which means maybe Meredith's DNA was on the blade. This is not signifigant, because even if there was a molecule of her DNA on the blade, it must have got on the knife after it was cleaned.
You guilters have to come up with a smoking gun i.e. a piece of evidence that proves they were there to people who are skeptical.
Most guys think that if Amanda were in their bed that night, He and Amanda would be rockin' and rollin' to the break of dawn, and if they were asked to go over and do a satanic rite with Meredith, they would say "Why can't we do that tomorrow?" not yes.

You guys have to show us something we can be 100% sure of. If you don't, we will go with the Mignini and the psychic theory. i.e. Mignini knew who killed her because the psychic told him, and then he used his imagination to think up the rest of his case.

The truth about the LTN/LCN samples in this case including the last one 36i ? that was reviewed by another lab in Italy recently is that in fact none of these tests are legitimate and/or reliable in any way at all. It is impossible to conclude any of these tests are accurate since it is impossible to reproduce any of the results including this latest sham put on by Italy. And in fact a reproducible test is not optional...it is a requirement in every single case in every area of science...not just a good thing to have but an irrefutable rule and requirement. If you cant reproduce the test then it is invalid! You may guess at exceptions but I bet real scientists will disagree with you.

 

[Dan O.]

Ever seen DanO's presentation?

Are you referring to the poll on the footprint identification from 3 years ago or the description of how it was formed along with the collaborating evidence that clearly identifies who made the print posted here.

ETA: Here is another place where I discussed the print with pictures.

 

[Machiavelli]

Outside a minor difference in that one sentence and the first two appearing in different order, they are the exact same. There's no byline so is it possible the same person wrote them both, do La Nazione and Leggo have a business relationship or often purchase articles from the same stringer? If not, did both reporters get that information from the same source and pass it on verbatim?

Yes they do. Many others online newspapers employ shared sources. Most online papers purchase from press agencies or other releaser journalists. They can't actually have people following all news.

However we know that C&V did not get all the scientific data they requested, as Charlie pointed out in his post and you probably recall from court, at the June 30 hearing there was that brouhaha regarding the negative controls.

You think, rather than you know.

The context here on May 21st was the independent experts appearing in court to ask for a 40 day extension as Stefanoni did not hand over some of what she did until near the end of their commission, and it sounds like they still needed information regarding the collection of the knife.

No, absolutely not Stefanoni. The highlited "things" which you mistakenly associat to Stefanoni, have nothing to do with Stefanoni.
What Vecchiotti is asking for, is the documentation about the collectiong of the knife; documentation which she was requesting to the Perugia Flying Squad.
A different office, a different city.
The newspaper clearly reported that Vecchiotti pointed out that she received all what she had requested to the Polizia Scientifica. This report by the newspapers is unambiguous.
Also the fact that she stresses how the forensics (in Rome) had offered complete cooperation, is unambiguous.

Stefanoni had sent them data regarding the above on April 29th, but not the electropherogram mentioned above until May 10th, and for the following it was May 11th:

In addition to revealing they didn't get the required electropherogram until May 10th or 11th (leaving only ten days before they had to appear in court) this passage also indicates that some information like when that electrophoretic run was executed was never recorded and they had to try to piece it all together as you can tell by reading the entirety of it at the links.

You are putting things in on your own. First of all, you should not commit the mistake of assuming as a proven fact that Vecchiotti is not cheating. For example, it is documented that she made an argument about the lack of negative control data, but there is no document proving that Vecchiotti ever requested negative control data (actually no document proving that she requested raw data was shown, since the mail exchange was not revealed: we don't know - Charlie doesn't tell - how many e-mail they exchanged, what they answered to each other after that and how they settled their demands).
The shown facts, until now, is that in the C&V report, Stefanoni is reported to have deposited data on CD supports on certain dates (May 11 the last one?). And then, when Vecchiotti appears in court, she points out the total cooperation provided by the Polizia Scientifica, and said that they obtained all the material they requested.
There is also one lettr shown, apparently only one, by Stefanoni; but we don't know what Vecchiotti asked, when, what she wrote in e-mails previously or subsequently, if and what Stefanoni ansewered: we dont know the content of their exchange.
Moreover, we know that in C&V report there is no report about any refusal to provide data; and there is actually also no report about V&C ever requesting specific things, in particular never requesting negative controls data.

We instead know that the negative controls are dealt with the first time in court, and Manuela Comodi declared that they were never requested.

This is from their final report in which they indicate they still hadn't received all the information required, and when they went into court for the meeting your articles reported upon they had just gotten the electropherograms including the peak area amounts ten days prior, and required an extension of 40 days so they could write their ~100 page report.

The 40 days extension was due to their requests to the Perugia police, keep that in mind. They requested nothing more to Stefanoni.

Either they're referring to other people entirely in the Polizia Scientifica who were indeed cooperative, perhaps meaning it in contrast to how they were treated by Stefanoni,

It's ridiculous, since Stefanoni is the director of the biology laboratory section. You are desperately trying to rationalize, what you say is simply not what ws reported. Vecchiotti said she obtained all what was requested.

or that was quoted mistakenly--perhaps even taken out of context. What I do know is the same...misleading...information was published in both Leggo and La Nazione virtually verbatim.

Or maybe it was exactly what happened, and Vecchiotti is a liar, a cheater.
Don't you consider this possibility?

Do you suppose it was the same person who wrote both articles, or did two different people just include the 'spin' the police/prosecution wanted reporters to write about Drs. Conti and Vecchiotti's appearance in court the day they had to ask for an extension because they hadn't received some information, and got other critical data too late for them to properly analyze and write their report?

Even the articles about the 'rito sessuale' attributed to Mignini were copied from the same source (as I already said). This was an irrelevant hearing from a journalist's point of view, since they knew trial was simply going to be adjourned to another date. Most articles of this kind about unimportant events just repeat things from a single source. It's normal.

Yes, I would be most interested in that transcript, as it does appear in Italy the police and prosecution are able to manufacture the news!

I don't think the police are able to manufacture the news! It's more simple to assume that Vecchiotti just lied, she was just playing a dirty trick (as it was proven that she did).

 

[acbytesla]

Ever seen DanO's presentation?

No, but I trust my own eyes. That is what is great about the bath mat prints as opposed the DNA evidence which tends to make my head spin. I can see. Nobody needs to tell me if it is a match or not. What my eyes tell me is that I can't tell....and I frankly don't believe anyone else can tell either. And it wouldn't matter if they had three doctorates in forensics.

 

[RandyN]

I have sometimes been accused of drawing too many parallels bwteen the Duke lacrosse case and this one. But I learned from that case some things that have helped me navigate through the "fog of nonsense",^TM in this one: to pay attention to what those around the the accused are saying, and to try to obtain information straight from the horse's mouth whenever possible. With respect to the DL case, the father of one of the three accused said that in some ways his son was a better man than he could hope to be. That is a far stronger statement than "My son deserves a vigorous defense," would have been, for example. This student's essay on a topic in bioethics did not suggest to me that he was the monster he was made out to be.

In this case Amanda's friends and one Seattle employer were clear as can be about her good character. It is helpful, too, to mention her short story "Baby Brother" in this context. Far from glorifying or even condoning date rape, it conveys the disappointment that the older brother feels in his younger brother's immoral conduct.

Totally different for me. I ignored anything from friends and family. As far as I know... even today... Knox may be the stinky, non toilet scrubber as her enemies have described her at different times... or she may be the studious late bloomer hick hippy chick as well. No matter.

I expected guilt and studied the guilt sites at a 3 to 1 ratio in the first months and that was enough to raise my suspicion that something was seriously wrong with the facts in this case. BTW I tried backing up the PGP sites with the news releases and found I was getting the same questions in my head from that source as well. Nothing added up. In fact this case...if you step away and look at the speculations of the early information is a bizarre non linear cluster pluck.

Meanwhile a robbery turned assault, rape and murder by an opportunist thief is quite common. I considered nothing but facts in this case and this fits every fact meanwhile there are no strong facts to prop up anything the prosecution ever proposed.

In fact some of the strange things being leaked or released were just down right crazy. The problem for me remained why was the defense not standing up and objecting to these idiotic matters? If the client was struck by police and that seems quite clearly true given Lumumbas interview (before Mignini got to him anyway) and finally RS revelations in his book...AND I still have not added all the stink points presented by the police and prosecution. All the oh we forgot to record the interrogation and burned up hard drives and the glass on top data that just never showed up anywhere and it soon became clear that something was rotten in Italy.

The final point that convinced me that Mignini was at the heart of this wrongful case and was the driver behind every wrong point of it was his interview on the first 48 Hours where he shook his head and lamented about poor Lumumba the wrongly accused man. And quite shortly after that it was revealed that Lumumbas bar remained closed by the police as a "crime scene"...even though he had long ago been released and cleared of charges.
This caused alarm bells that never stopped going off frankly. That is that once it finally sunk into my head that Mignini was calling all the shots...the leader of the investigation. And yet he told the world about that poor man Lumumba meant I had found the real accessory to Guedes crime.

And every single piece of nonsense created over the years fit perfectly into the pulp fiction story created by Mignini. Not believable facts but obvious gross fiction and at each critical point there was always something. Single LTN/LCN DNA samples as evidence and yet they never come close to meeting scientific reliability. And who could have guessed (me) the samples are used up and/or destroyed!

Now 6 years later the poor Kerchers rather than sharing private memories about the loss of their dear daughter are subjected to a crazy clown show that has not gotten any closer to being anything but an absurd sick game now at the expense of two innocent persons and their families plus the Kerchers are still being tricked and lied to.

I am quite certain the Italians will wrap this up by finding the two innocent, but, also parse it so that a story of doubt about innocence can be claimed so as to relieve themselves from additional scrutiny and the wrongly accused will never be fully exonerated. They will be forced to live under the cloud of doubt and the Kerchers will never be able to understand the simple case that was solved long ago and is the reason their daughter will never be with them again.

The defendants after 6 years of abuse and financial torture are worn out and broke and so will simply be glad the case is over. And with no will to fight left, will simply fade (hopefully) into obscurity.

The Italians after a compete and what should be embarrassing and loud warning about corruption and abuse rampant inside their system will do nothing. They have successfully silenced everyone including a forgotten blogger named Frank...remember him?

If it is true that Mignini shut down his site and silenced him then why no outrage from the CPJ? This seems a clouded situation like the one I expect will cloud this exoneration. In Franks case he cast enough doubt on himself to ruin his chance of clearing the matter and yet I somehow think that Frank was silenced by our little fat friend.

I would write a book but it would have to be fiction and not regular fiction but crazy CT Bigfoot style fiction. I wonder if I could get Mignini to write the forward?

 

[RandyN]

Are you referring to the poll on the footprint identification from 3 years ago or the description of how it was formed along with the collaborating evidence that clearly identifies who made the print posted here.

ETA: Here is another place where I discussed the print with pictures.

Yes.