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Continuation Part Six: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

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PS: It's windowserver, not windowsserver. It's an Apple process, not Microsoft!

And yes, it's perfectly possible for an expert to determine how and why windowserver was instructed to draw something to the screen.
 
I think that this inference is the problem (in terms of evidence). Linking the windowsserver activity with activation/deactivation of the screenserver is arbitrary; it's speculation. It doesn't make really sense, in my opinion, because it does just not make sense that a person sits at the computer all night and moves the mouse or strikes a key just to de-activate the screen saver every 4-5 minutes, while doing nothing else. Doesn't even listen to music, nothing. It makse no sense as an activity.
It makes sense rather to assume the windowsserver is logging the screen refreshings of some application. It only shows there was no screensaver.
It's obvious that a final assessment would require experts.
But it is not the only diference between their alibi and the records.


There you go trying to spin it away when you haven't even seen the data. The Defense already said they want this reviewed by an independent expert.

What makes perfect sense for a night time activity is reviewing video or music files that were downloaded via the p2p network culminating in the creation of a playlist of those files before going to bed around 6am. The flashy screen saver would act as a wakeup alarm 20 minutes after the previous selection had finished playing. I know from experience how easy it is to get into such a project and loose track of time. Raffaele may have even thought he was going to bed around midnight because of the timestamp on the message he got from his father which he writes about in his prison journal before this hard drive data had been analyzed.
 
I just noticed that we are already on page 93. That means it has been 40 pages since I postes this list which you said you would address when you had time.


  • Only Rudy could have thrown that rock through Filomenia's window before Meredith came home that night. Nobody is throwing a rock through a window while there is a dead body inside the cottage.
  • Rudy acknowledges searching Amanda's sock drawer for the missing money. Problem is that Amanda doesn't have a sock drawer. Rudy was in Laura's room and therefore was alone in the cottage.
  • Rudy taking a crap in the Italian girls bathroom says that neither Amanda nor Meredith was there to point him to the bathroom that they were responsible for cleaning.
  • The perpetrator of this crime got his hands bloodied and there was not a clean hand in the room to open Meredith's bedroom door from the inside.
  • Rudy ripped off Meredith's bra by pulling on the band behind her right shoulder where he left his DNA on the band. This was done after Meredith was fatally stabbed and after Rudy had washed most of the blood off of his hands but not before Meredith had breathed her last.
  • Rudy walked out of Meredith's room and to the front door. But Rudy did not get outside at this time. He turned around at the door and stepped back into the living room and stood in front of the couch facing the back room where Meredith lay dying.
  • Rudy needed a key to open the front door. He would need to return to the murder room to search for those keys.
  • Rudy's DNA is found on the zipper on Meredith's purse.

These are the facts we know supported by solid evidence that we have discussed at length on this forum. The facts all support the lone assailant Rudy Guede committing this crime. There is nothing but the wild speculation of the prosecutor and the fevered desire of the Kercher's lawyer that supports any other scenario.
 
My word....

I just perused Vogt's Twitter page, and noticed - with no small astonishment - that she's been retweeting messages of thanks/congratulations for her Kercher-related articles (from the usual suspects in the main).

This sort of behaviour is the product either of significant personal insecurity or of some sort of personal zeal that goes well beyond dispassionate reporting. Either way, it doesn't look very edifying or professional, Andrea...
 
PS: It's windowserver, not windowsserver. It's an Apple process, not Microsoft!

And yes, it's perfectly possible for an expert to determine how and why windowserver was instructed to draw something to the screen.


But does Itally have any real experts left? The last computer expert the court called upon thought he could open the hard drive and fix it himself after it had been sent to three different data recovery firms with unsuccessful results. If I were an expert in Italy, I would be looking to relocate to a sane part of the EU before some idiot prosecutor decided that I wasn't good enough at predicting the next earthquake. The brain drain in Italy is quite apparent when they start calling themselves "doctor" with only a Bachelor equivalent education. Italy is on a collision course and is about to run aground on the island of reality while their captain shows off and stumbles into a life raft with his girlfriend.
 
Sollecito's father openly denied what Raffaele Sollecito and Andrew Gumbel wrote in their book. And you call this "damage control"?

Machiavelli, I believe you and I may be referring to two separate responses by Rafaelle's father in Italy. I was referring in my comment above to Rafaelle's father's response to Italian news reports about what Rafaelle said in a US TV interview. I describe the father's response which I read online (in English) as damage control. You may be referring to the father's statements about what Rafaelle wrote in his book.

The subject Rafaelle referred to in both cases is the same, but in one instance the father is responding to what Italian media reported Rafaelle had said in a US TV interview. The other is what the father said regarding what Rafaelle wrote in his book.

Would you agree with me that the PLE has the will and the resources to not only prosecute someone but also to do so in such a way as to persecute the person they target?

Take, for example, the animation that Mignini commissioned to try to persuade the jury to his version of the murder (which I understand he budgeted at more than 100,000 euros to make). In the animation the cartoon character portraying Amanda is drawn to resemble Amanda physically and is also depicted wearing a distinctive sweater with brown and white horizontal stripes - just like the sweater that Amanda once wore to court. The distinctive horizontal-stripped sweater is used to visual effect. It is used to visually sear together in the jurors minds the cartoon character with the real person. Would you agree that that animation is prejudicial? This is just one example of the prosecution's ability and willingness to use manipulative techniques to persecute.
 
But does Itally have any real experts left? The last computer expert the court called upon thought he could open the hard drive and fix it himself after it had been sent to three different data recovery firms with unsuccessful results. If I were an expert in Italy, I would be looking to relocate to a sane part of the EU before some idiot prosecutor decided that I wasn't good enough at predicting the next earthquake. The brain drain in Italy is quite apparent when they start calling themselves "doctor" with only a Bachelor equivalent education. Italy is on a collision course and is about to run aground on the island of reality while their captain shows off and stumbles into a life raft with his girlfriend.

This whole issue about not fully investigating the computer evidence is astonishing. The police screwed up the computers; the computer data is corroboration for the alibi; the courts therefore should make every effort, and give the defendants every allowance, to recover the data and the have it considered. IMO, this is where Hellmann really screwed up, because he could have used the computer data to give himself double coverage against a reversal.

In my opinion, the whole computer issues is one of the huge and not comprehensible judicial screw ups in this case. I think these are the biggies:

1. Not fully examining the computer/alibi evidence
2. Not testing the semen stain
3. Deciding that the results of Guede's fast track trial should have any effect at all in Knox/Sollecito's trial
4. Failure to assure full disclosure of the DNA data

With this list, I think that we can safely consign the Italian judiciary to this category of "experts" who really just suck at what they do. Maybe the good ones have left the country . . . or retired in disgust.
 
The prosecutor going after Argirò is Massimo Casucci, who is the prosecutor "closest" to Manuela Comodi, her greatest cooperator.
Comodi & Casucci are known for their working together on cases of financial frauds and fiscal crimes in Umbria.

Well, Kudos to him for fighting against the corrupt cesspool that is Perugia law enforcement.

On the other hand, it's kind of hard to ignore a prison guard who is a sexual predator, and allegedly has raped an inmate who is a former police officer.

Which brings me to another point. If this victim, who is a former police officer, was too afraid to speak out, then we can certainly understand that Amanda Knox felt forced to keep silent while she was in jail. We can also understand how powerful and corrupt law enforcement is perceived to be--even by a former police officer.

No wonder the cops were so astonished when Knox reported that they had hit her. Such honesty in the face of police misconduct must be unheard of in Italy.
 
If only she could tap into the same well of courage to tell the whole, unfiltered truth about what happened in Perugia six years ago.
So let's see.

Amanda Knox doesn't have courage = Cowardly Lion

Andrea Vogt doesn't have a brain = Scarecrow

Who's the Tin Man (needs a heart)?
 
Well, Kudos to him for fighting against the corrupt cesspool that is Perugia law enforcement.

On the other hand, it's kind of hard to ignore a prison guard who is a sexual predator, and allegedly has raped an inmate who is a former police officer.

Which brings me to another point. If this victim, who is a former police officer, was too afraid to speak out, then we can certainly understand that Amanda Knox felt forced to keep silent while she was in jail. We can also understand how powerful and corrupt law enforcement is perceived to be--even by a former police officer.

No wonder the cops were so astonished when Knox reported that they had hit her. Such honesty in the face of police misconduct must be unheard of in Italy.

Your fantasy and prejudice are constantly going on overdrive, when it's about projecting something negative - albeit riddled with contradiction - on some hypothetical society, to feed your self-serving narrative.
Of course "reporting of police misconduct must be unfìheard of". Of course. What a bs.
Reports and complaints about public officers are everyday stuff. Maybe half of inmates, suspects or arrested complain about something with judges and magistrates.
However, sexual violence is not everyday stuff. It's something extremely serious.
But the word "honest" associated to Amanda Knox - an obvious liar and convicted felon - no it's not fit....
 
"Confession. Shoe prints. Accomplice. Staged break-in. No verifiable alibi. Inability to remember details of the evening."
Mignini already knew that Amanda and her boyfriend and the Black man killed Meredith during a satanic rite. He learned this from his psychic. He couldn't tell the jury about the psychic, but the jury could see that he had no doubt in his mind, and how serious was the need for the jury to work with him and get the satanists behind bars, because of non-verbal communication.
While the evidence was bad, Mignini was able to sell it to the jury as good evidence.
It might be OK for Mignini to do what he thought was nessasary to convict Raffaele, but when he tried to frame Amanda, he crossed a line. Amanda is a American citizen and Mignini is an Italian. We Americans just can't let some foreigner frame a fellow American. We must see to it that Mignini suffers some consequences. If we don't, all those other people in those countries who hate America will think " If MIgnini got away with it ,maybe I can too".

Do you have a source for this visit to the psychic giving the date he visited?

I don't nationality should be a consideration for what was right or wrong.
 
Amnesty International on the police in Italy

In their 2007 report on Italy Amnesty International wrote, "There was no independent police complaints and accountability body. Policing operations were not in line with the European Code of Police Ethics, for example in the requirement for officers to display prominently some form of identification, such as a service number, to ensure they could be held accountable."
 
In the several days after Kerscher's murder the police searched the neighborhood for the knife used to kill her. They did not find it.

During his night-interrogation the night that he and Amanda were arrested, Rafaelle invited the police to go to his apartment with him to look at his computer to see his explanation of what he and Amanda had been doing on the computer the night Kerscher was murdered. They took him there, handcuffed and now shoeless.

When they entered, one of the policemen, Armando Finzi, loudly announced (incorrectly) that the place smelled of bleach. Finzi repeated it several times. The police pulled the place apart.

I now copy verbatim what Rafael wrote in Honor Bound(pp. 64-65):

"When Finzi came across a drawer full of kitchen knives, he called Chiacchiera over immediately. He pulled out the first knife that came to hand, a large chopping knife with an eight-inch blade.
"Will this knife do?" Finzi asked Chiacchiera.
"Yes, yes, it's great" came the answer.
Much later, in court, Finzi made no secret of the fact that this was simply a random pick. He had no reason to select such a knife. He hadn't been given any specifics on the murder weapon from the coroner's report, or anything else, and had nothing to go on other than what he called his "investigative intuition." (end of text, p. 65).

I don't think that what Raf reports has much credibility for neutral or pro guilt people.

As incompetent the police were I find it hard to believe the dialog.
 
Machiavelli, I believe you and I may be referring to two separate responses by Rafaelle's father in Italy. I was referring in my comment above to Rafaelle's father's response to Italian news reports about what Rafaelle said in a US TV interview. I describe the father's response which I read online (in English) as damage control. You may be referring to the father's statements about what Rafaelle wrote in his book.

The subject Rafaelle referred to in both cases is the same, but in one instance the father is responding to what Italian media reported Rafaelle had said in a US TV interview. The other is what the father said regarding what Rafaelle wrote in his book
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Well but that's what he said on TV, on the Porta a Porta talk show.
This is the main thing th public may remember about what Sllecito said about her son's book.

Raffaele's book is called "Honour Bound" and the alleged "deal", and its refusal, is a key element of the narrative: it tells a story about a "refusal" of a deal, about being not pliant to some "proposal", compromise or deal.
Then Francesco Sollecito claims that this element is false, that no deal was ever proposed. It's a bit damaging to the narrative.

Would you agree with me that the PLE has the will and the resources to not only prosecute someone but also to do so in such a way as to persecute the person they target?

Take, for example, the animation that Mignini commissioned to try to persuade the jury to his version of the murder (which I understand he budgeted at more than 100,000 euros to make). In the animation the cartoon character portraying Amanda is drawn to resemble Amanda physically and is also depicted wearing a distinctive sweater with brown and white horizontal stripes - just like the sweater that Amanda once wore to court. The distinctive horizontal-stripped sweater is used to visual effect. It is used to visually sear together in the jurors minds the cartoon character with the real person. Would you agree that that animation is prejudicial? This is just one example of the prosecution's ability and willingness to use manipulative techniques to persecute.

No, I disagree.
First, the "PLE" and the prosecution are at least two, entirely separate entities; this yould never be forgotten, as a rule.

[Actually not even the "PLE" is a unique entity; also the prosecution is actualy two different offices (without counting the Supreme Court Rome office, that makes three). But this is another story.]

I disagree that the animation would be "prejudicial" to a defendant - actually the concept does not even belong to the Italian justice system. We don't have the typical question/objection of the US system "should this piece of evidence/statement be admitted, or is this prejudicial?". This question does not belong to this system.
The prosecution brings evidence through a chain of preliminary judges and by entering excerpts of investigation files. Then they need to make arguments; they are supposed to persuade the court about their evidence, scenarios, theories. Now, the purpose of animation could be that of making the scenario/dynamic look realistic, it is exactly to allow the court to visualize it. The courts should exactly memorize the scenario together with the identity of the persons they are judgeing, in order to assess it. I don't see why this should be regarded as a "manipulative" technique.
"Manipulation" - in terms of human feelings, behavior and psychology - has to do with conveying false information and pretending; is the act of deceiving, lying, attempt to convey fraudulent or bogus feelings/behaviours and use other people as instruments, having them "do" what we want by feeding them information we know to be false.
 
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Have you ever considered using the "preview" feature before posting? :p

Whey woood I do that?

I just got back from having two happy hour margaritas and even I can tell you misunderstood what I wrote.

I didn't "The Price is Right" was still open. Did you have a baked potato as well?
 
Strozzi said:
Take, for example, the animation that Mignini commissioned to try to persuade the jury to his version of the murder (which I understand he budgeted at more than 100,000 euros to make). In the animation the cartoon character portraying Amanda is drawn to resemble Amanda physically and is also depicted wearing a distinctive sweater with brown and white horizontal stripes - just like the sweater that Amanda once wore to court. The distinctive horizontal-stripped sweater is used to visual effect. It is used to visually sear together in the jurors minds the cartoon character with the real person. Would you agree that that animation is prejudicial? This is just one example of the prosecution's ability and willingness to use manipulative techniques to persecute.

I disagree that the animation would be "prejudicial" to a defendant - actually the concept does not even belong to the Italian justice system. We don't have the typical question/objection of the US system "should this piece of evidence/statement be admitted, or is this prejudicial?". This question does not belong to this system.
The prosecution brings evidence through a chain of preliminary judges and by entering excerpts of investigation files. Then they need to make arguments; they are supposed to persuade the court about their evidence, scenarios, theories. Now, the purpose of animation could be that of making the scenario/dynamic look realistic, it is exactly to allow the court to visualize it. The courts should exactly memorize the scenario together with the identity of the persons they are judgeing, in order to assess it. I don't see why this should be regarded as a "manipulative" technique.
"Manipulation" - in terms of human feelings, behavior and psychology - has to do with conveying false information and pretending; is the act of deceiving, lying, attempt to convey fraudulent or bogus feelings/behaviours and use other people as instruments, having them "do" what we want by feeding them information we know to be false.
Classic Machiavelli. To be added to his assertion that Amanda could choose not to sleep, that there's a possibility that Guede was Amanda's pimp, that Amanda and her mother could speak in "Mafia Code", etc. etc. etc. Oh yes, that Barbie Nadeau is an "approximate reporter."

He now answers a question, "Would you agree that that animation is prejudicial?" with, "actually the concept does not even belong to the Italian justice system."

This one is a keeper. Machiavelli has just slandered his own judicial system, and justifies the possibility that Knox and Sollecito got an unfair trial in the 1st instance.

This also just in. Rumours are swirling that there is confirmation that there's no trace of Meredith on Raffaele's kitchen knife. Apparently, it never left his apartment.
 
There you go trying to spin it away when you haven't even seen the data. The Defense already said they want this reviewed by an independent expert.

What makes perfect sense for a night time activity is reviewing video or music files that were downloaded via the p2p network culminating in the creation of a playlist of those files before going to bed around 6am. The flashy screen saver would act as a wakeup alarm 20 minutes after the previous selection had finished playing. I know from experience how easy it is to get into such a project and loose track of time. Raffaele may have even thought he was going to bed around midnight because of the timestamp on the message he got from his father which he writes about in his prison journal before this hard drive data had been analyzed.

This is not what Sollecitos' computer activity reports.

Incidentally. There seems to be a misuse, and abuse, of the word "independent" here. A defence expert is an expert hired by the defence, or volutneering for the defence at best; not an "independent" expert.
Experts are hired or appointed by someone, they are not expected to be independent. Only the judge is expected to be independent.
Ok the defence wanted the judge to appoint another expert to review their findings.
Massei, Hellmann and Nencini refused to even accept the last update of their report, by now.

However for what I've read about the defence computer report, and since I submitted it to some computer experts, I only had negative and skeptical feedbacks.
The two experts I asked to explained me that the defence report was unconvincing.
It is not true that there is a finding able to link the windowserver logs with activations of the scrensaver; in the very defenci report this is a guesswork, a speculation.
And there is no other activity: there is no listening to music, until very late (or "early" in the morning"), maybe something like 5.30 am (at a time like that, or maybe even later, there is a half an hour listening of music). But over the rest of the night, including the time frame that matters, there are no runnings of the music player. So there is no review of any playlist and there are no playings.
 
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He now answers a question, "Would you agree that that animation is prejudicial?" with, "actually the concept does not even belong to the Italian justice system."
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Believe me or not, it's like that. It is inconcievable that evidence is prevented from entering the court because deemed "prejudicial".
Such a decision by the judge would be regarded as "prejudicial"!
In a system with inquisitory features, evidence cannot be subject to filters. The Court is regarded as a panel of investigators, not as a jury.
There is only a Code that determines what kind of evidence can and cannot be entered/used.
 
However for what I've read about the defence computer report, and since I submitted it to some computer experts, I only had negative and skeptical feedbacks.
The two experts I asked to explained me that the defence report was unconvincing.
It is not true that there is a finding able to link the windowserver logs with activations of the scrensaver; in the very defenci report this is a guesswork, a speculation.


Sorry: Machiavelli "submitted (Sollecito's defence computer report) to some computer experts"???

Did I really read that correctly?

Machiavelli says he's nothing more than an unconnected amateur commentator, and yet he's "submitting" computer reports to "experts" for analysis????

The unmistakeable odour of rattus rattus is filling the air....
 
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