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Religious figures reincarnated (Split from: Pope responds question from atheist)

Kathie Bondar said:
Please do not misquote me. This forum was meant for debate not for cheap laughs
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Then please tell me how Jesus came to have a sibling named "Veronica", and from what source you obtained the telepathic message about Herod Antipas's sexual predispositions.
 
Ladewig said:
OK, I have some questions about the parallel world.

{1} am I correct in assuming that people don't "die" in this parallel world? Or that they don't "die" until it is time to come back to Earth?

{2} do the people in the other world remember what they did on their most recent Earth-life? Are the millions of innocent people who died at the hands of the Germans about to spend ~1000 years on a planet with Adolf Hitler?

{3} what do people do on this planet? Do they earn a living to buy food and clothing? Or is it less corporeal? Should I expect to find racism or sexism or other bigotries when I cross over?

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Oops. I just realized how silly the question about remembering is. Without such memories, it would be impossible for these "dead" people to recite their "lineages" to people who are asleep.
Oh, the Hitler and his victims thing is becoming even more uncomfortable.
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I did not count how many people exactly contributed to my work, I am guessing well over a hundred. It did not happen by chance. Someone close to me in that other world approached them to talk about themselves, about their lives. They usually started out with their last, then the last before, then the last before that.
From these descriptions I realized that the place they were at on that "other side" was indeed very similar to earth. They are born, grow up, work, study, when time comes they come to earth to fulfill a program outlined for them, die here and go back where they came from.
In the last chapter the Creator himself contributed to my work by offering to explain that the geography is indeed the same, only people are being shuffled about as they pass from one existence to the other. The earth family may or may not be the same as the astral family. The astral family is the permanent one. And yes, there is also an aging process and people will die there also and pass on to another form of life, but I don't want to get into that and add to the confusion. Let's just do algebra before we move on to calculus.
When someone dies here, he takes his memories with him, but as he settles into his new life, new surroundings, people, memories fade as they lose relevance, as they would on earth.
Nobody reported floating on a pink cloud reciting verses. Adolf Eichman described his arrival after his execution here. The usual process appears to be an evaluation of how one did on earth, then where do we go next? Eichman were sent to what appeared to be some kind of a labor camp.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
I did not count how many people exactly contributed to my work, I am guessing well over a hundred. It did not happen by chance. Someone close to me in that other world approached them to talk about themselves, about their lives. They usually started out with their last, then the last before, then the last before that.
From these descriptions I realized that the place they were at on that "other side" was indeed very similar to earth. They are born, grow up, work, study, when time comes they come to earth to fulfill a program outlined for them, die here and go back where they came from.
In the last chapter the Creator himself contributed to my work by offering to explain that the geography is indeed the same, only people are being shuffled about as they pass from one existence to the other. The earth family may or may not be the same as the astral family. The astral family is the permanent one. And yes, there is also an aging process and people will die there also and pass on to another form of life, but I don't want to get into that and add to the confusion. Let's just do algebra before we move on to calculus.
When someone dies here, he takes his memories with him, but as he settles into his new life, new surroundings, people, memories fade as they lose relevance, as they would on earth.
Nobody reported floating on a pink cloud reciting verses. Adolf Eichman described his arrival after his execution here. The usual process appears to be an evaluation of how one did on earth, then where do we go next? Eichman were sent to what appeared to be some kind of a labor camp.
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Yeah, like you suggested--cheap laughs.

Just who do you think will buy this crap?
 
ddt said:
Very good point. One nitpick: if we are to believe the gospels, Herod's marriage to Herodias precedes Jesus' crucifixion. The gospels record John the Baptist's death, which was due to his agitation against this - incestuous - marriage, and happened during Jesus' (short) ministry.

Of course, the point remains valid that Jesus never could have been raised in Herod's and Herodias' household.
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I realize selling the bible is big business and anybody trying to knock it is in for a fight. Well, I rewrote New Testament here. You may not like it, but here it is nonetheless. I am placing the apostles in an entirely new light. Some emerge better, some worst. I am showing people's emerging personalities through subsequent lives, what trials have they overcome, what have they learned?
I am not talking about Herod the king, but his son Herod Antipas and his wife Herodias. Some of the beastliest people who ever lived. I followed up Herodias in her next life, and even in his present life. Still a sexual deviant but no longer a mass murderer.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
I did not count how many people exactly contributed to my work, I am guessing well over a hundred. It did not happen by chance. Someone close to me in that other world approached them to talk about themselves, about their lives. They usually started out with their last, then the last before, then the last before that.
From these descriptions I realized that the place they were at on that "other side" was indeed very similar to earth. They are born, grow up, work, study, when time comes they come to earth to fulfill a program outlined for them, die here and go back where they came from.
In the last chapter the Creator himself contributed to my work by offering to explain that the geography is indeed the same, only people are being shuffled about as they pass from one existence to the other. The earth family may or may not be the same as the astral family. The astral family is the permanent one. And yes, there is also an aging process and people will die there also and pass on to another form of life, but I don't want to get into that and add to the confusion. Let's just do algebra before we move on to calculus.
When someone dies here, he takes his memories with him, but as he settles into his new life, new surroundings, people, memories fade as they lose relevance, as they would on earth.
Nobody reported floating on a pink cloud reciting verses. Adolf Eichman described his arrival after his execution here. The usual process appears to be an evaluation of how one did on earth, then where do we go next? Eichman were sent to what appeared to be some kind of a labor camp.
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Bollocks.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
What I have done with the historical persons, was, recorded and interpreted the dream, then I compared it to the article published about the in Encyclopedia Americana. Of over a hundred such records, there was only one that did not match, that of Thucydides. I double checked it with Encyclopedia Britannica and there it was, a match!
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So your evidence that your dreams contain messages coming from historical persons who are now living in another dimension is that information you received about them in your dreams proved to be correct?

I have to say that isn't very convincing. The fact that the historical persons figured in your dream at all suggests that you knew of them and something about them. Anything you'd ever read or heard about them would be available to your unconscious mind for inclusion in your dreams, even if you wouldn't have been able to consciously recall it.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
Give the Creator some credit.
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I gave him some credit. Then he fled without paying loan due. Now I am searching for him everywhere, but he always turn out to not be there. How will I get my credit back ?

His system is a little more complicated and human beings are not on top of the chain.
In terms of evolution on Earth, yes, but in terms of the universe, we are minute players.
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Hu.hu. And you know that because you met the other "players" ?

Adam and Eve are a myth, you and I did not start out as human beings and when the cycle of life on Earth is completed for each of us, we become something else, elsewhere.
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Yep, we become bacteria, fungus , worm food (for the lucky among us which are not drenched in preservative and formaldehyde).

A novel idea for you perhaps, but don't knock it until you are quite familiar with the concept.
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Reincarnation, or continuation of life after death, is actually a very old idea. Dusty, musty, non evidenced , useless idea.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
... The usual process appears to be an evaluation of how one did on earth, then where do we go next? Eichman were sent to what appeared to be some kind of a labor camp.
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I see. He got off lightly. I have presented a datum that proves you have had no contact with Jesus or his alleged siblings: the impossible name Veronica you give to one of them. Can you respond to this, which seems to refute your entire story?

Previously you had wrong information about the century in which St Francis lived. This proves that the origin of your information is imagination and not reality, let alone the reincarnation of dead persons.
 
There is in fact an easy way to test whether the information is coming from a real historical person rather than from memories of school history lessons buried beyond conscious recall but still available to the unconscious: ask the person for some information that isn't recorded. For example there are plenty of famous cases of murder victims whose bodies have never been found; ask a few (or their murderers) where those bodies are buried and then see if that information is correct.
 
Pixel42 said:
... For example there are plenty of famous cases of murder victims whose bodies have never been found; ask a few (or their murderers) where those bodies are buried and then see if that information is correct.
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Good idea! See if you can get Jimmy Hoffa to telepath the whereabouts of his earthly remains.
 
Kathie Bondar said:
I realize selling the bible is big business and anybody trying to knock it is in for a fight. Well, I rewrote New Testament here. You may not like it, but here it is nonetheless. I am placing the apostles in an entirely new light. Some emerge better, some worst. I am showing people's emerging personalities through subsequent lives, what trials have they overcome, what have they learned?
I am not talking about Herod the king, but his son Herod Antipas and his wife Herodias. Some of the beastliest people who ever lived. I followed up Herodias in her next life, and even in his present life. Still a sexual deviant but no longer a mass murderer.
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I am fully aware of which Herod you're speaking.
Herod Antipas:
Herod Antipater (Greek: Ἡρῴδης Ἀντίπατρος, Hērǭdēs Antipatros; born before 20 BC – died after 39 AD), known by the nickname Antipas, was a 1st-century ruler of Galilee and Perea, who bore the title of tetrarch ("ruler of a quarter").
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Early in his reign, Antipas had married the daughter of King Aretas IV of Nabatea. However, on a visit to Rome he stayed with his half-brother Herod Philip I and there fell in love with Philip's wife, Herodias, (granddaughter of Herod the Great and Mariamne I), and the two agreed to marry each other, after Herod Antipas had divorced his wife.[21] Aretas' daughter learned of the plan and asked permission to travel to the frontier fortress of Machaerus, whence Nabatean forces escorted her to her father. With his daughter now safe in his custody, Aretas now could declare war on Herod.[22] It is generally agreed that the war, in which Herod was defeated, occurred in 36, a year before the death of the emperor Tiberius.
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So we have this marriage of Herod Antipas with Herodias somewhere between 27AD and 36AD. The war with Aretas was a result of this.

The NT places Jesus' birth at 3BC during Herod the Great (Matthew) or at 6AD during Roman governor Quirinius (Luke). It places his crucifixion during Pilate's prefecture (26-36AD), with Antipas present (and refusing involvement in the trial).

The NT also places the start of Jesus' ministry during John the Baptist's ministry. John the Baptist agitated against Antipas' marriage with his niece Herodias, and was jailed and executed for that. That timing jives with Flavius Josephus' account of John the Baptist, who puts his execution by Antipas before the war with Aretas.

So, how are you going to rewrite the NT? Please be complete in which parts you rewrite. :rolleyes:
 
ddt said:
Those are rather vague statements. But I note they all allegedly lived in countries with sound records, like civic registries, birth and death records, and university records. Do you have anything which uniquely identifies these people into whom Jesus' siblings allegedly reincarnated?
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Kathie Bondar said:
Yes, they are all real people, but privacy protection laws do not permit me to identify them without their permission. For now I chose not to ask them for it.
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ddt said:
Could you cite those laws? You mentioned some of them lived in Europe, which is a big place with 49 different jurisdictions. :rolleyes: Frankly, I'm not convinced that privacy protection laws are applicable to your endeavour, whether in North America or in Europe.
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Bump. Where is that evidence for your claimed "privacy protection laws"?
 
Craig B said:
Good idea! See if you can get Jimmy Hoffa to telepath the whereabouts of his earthly remains.
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Who says Hoffa is dead? He could very well still be alive and live sheltered in some South-American country. :) Mengele pulled that off for over 40 years too.
 
ddt said:
Who says Hoffa is dead? He could very well still be alive and live sheltered in some South-American country. :) Mengele pulled that off for over 40 years too.
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in that improbable case it should be even easier for him to telepath the required information. I presume a living brain can transmit telepathic messages more efficiently than a dead one.
 
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