Religious figures reincarnated (Split from: Pope responds question from atheist)
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But you were demonstrably wrong about the name Veronica, about the dates of St Francis of Assisi's life, and about Jesus being raised in Herod Antipas and Herodias' househould.
I ask again, how do you know that the telepathic communications you receive are actually from dead or reincarnated people, and not guesses or daydreams originating from your own creative mind?
If telepathy were ever shown to exist, how could you be sure that what you receive is true, and not deliberately false information being transmitted to you by a malevolent entity?
ddt
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I agree. But why improbable? It's not like he's buried under a football stadium or such.
aleCcowaN
imperfecto del subjuntivo
The seven errors game
From Kathie's quill:
"Joseph and Mary were employed by the Nazareth court of Herod Antipas, son of Herod the Great. Joseph a carpenter, Mary a maid. When Antipas' mother, now divorced from Herod, came to live with them in Nazareth, bringing their five younger children, Antipas saw them as possible challengers to his throne. His wife Herodias undertook to erase all traces of this children by butchering and feeding them to the their dogs. Mary discover the atrocity and was able to smuggle out two, as well as Herodias young daughter Salome, who later betrayed her."
From Kathie's quill:
"Joseph and Mary were employed by the Nazareth court of Herod Antipas, son of Herod the Great. Joseph a carpenter, Mary a maid. When Antipas' mother, now divorced from Herod, came to live with them in Nazareth, bringing their five younger children, Antipas saw them as possible challengers to his throne. His wife Herodias undertook to erase all traces of this children by butchering and feeding them to the their dogs. Mary discover the atrocity and was able to smuggle out two, as well as Herodias young daughter Salome, who later betrayed her."
aggle-rithm
Ardent Formulist
Don't get me started on mainstream Christianity. They just want your money.
Mass murder gets to be a lot of trouble after a while, but sexual deviancy NEVER gets old!
Empress
Piggish
Kathie, I took the time to link to your book earlier so that people could get a feel for your ideas. In return, I asked you a couple of times about two of the selected quotes you cite. No doubt you missed the posts, so I've added the quotes here, again:
I find these quotes quite interesting, and would very much appreciate hearing you expound on them if you would be so kind.
I find these quotes quite interesting, and would very much appreciate hearing you expound on them if you would be so kind.
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Well you gave us dog humpers.
ddt
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Let me try to take a stab at it.
(1) we've already gone over how Jesus could never have been born during Herod Antipas' marriage with Herodias
(2) Nazareth court: archaeological evidence shows that at that time, Nazareth was a village of at most a dozen houses. No place for a "tetrarch", a king of sorts, to set up court.
(3) "carpenter" as Joseph's profession gives the wrong impression he made chests, tables, chairs. etc. The Greek word "tekton" used in the NT meant at the time more a construction worker.
(4) Antipas' mother, Malthace, died in 4BC, i.e., at least 30 years before the marriage of Antipas with Herodias.
(5) "their five younger children": I'm at a loss whose children are meant. The "them" earlier in the sentence is already problematic. The only pair mentioned before is Joseph and Mary, but a Queen-Mother will most certainly not live with the maid; the only pair that makes sense is Antipas and Herodias, but Herodias only appears after that in the paragraph. Likewise, the "their younger children" implies (a) previous mention of a couple, and (b) previous mention of an older child of that couple. But apart from that, I don't see any sensible solution. (a) Joseph and Mary, and the five younger siblings of Jesus? No really, the children of the maid are challengers to the throne? And in Kathy's view, they would still be toddlers.
(b) Antipas and Herodias, and their children? Which ones? And they would be toddlers anyway. And really, Antipas thought his own children would be rivals for the throne, and Herodias helped dispose of their own children? Etcetera.(6) "this children" - no, it's these children, basic grammar error
(7) "Mary discover" - no, it's discovered, ditto.
(8) "Herodias young daughter Salome": first of all, an apostrophe is missing, it should be Herodias'. Secondly, this is the famed Salome of the dance of the seven veils who asked for John the Baptist's head on a plate. At the time of Antipas' marriage with Herodias, Salome was around 20. What do you call "young"? And third, the role of Salome in this sentence is unclear. Did she help Mary smuggle out two of these children, or was she smuggled out? And if the latter, why? There is no explanation why she would be in danger.
aleCcowaN
imperfecto del subjuntivo
Let me try to take a stab at it.
(1) we've already gone over how Jesus could never have been born during Herod Antipas' marriage with Herodias
(2) Nazareth court: archaeological evidence shows that at that time, Nazareth was a village of at most a dozen houses. No place for a "tetrarch", a king of sorts, to set up court.
(3) "carpenter" as Joseph's profession gives the wrong impression he made chests, tables, chairs. etc. The Greek word "tekton" used in the NT meant at the time more a construction worker.
(4) Antipas' mother, Malthace, died in 4BC, i.e., at least 30 years before the marriage of Antipas with Herodias.
(5) "their five younger children": I'm at a loss whose children are meant. The "them" earlier in the sentence is already problematic. The only pair mentioned before is Joseph and Mary, but a Queen-Mother will most certainly not live with the maid; the only pair that makes sense is Antipas and Herodias, but Herodias only appears after that in the paragraph. Likewise, the "their younger children" implies (a) previous mention of a couple, and (b) previous mention of an older child of that couple. But apart from that, I don't see any sensible solution. (a) Joseph and Mary, and the five younger siblings of Jesus? No really, the children of the maid are challengers to the throne? And in Kathy's view, they would still be toddlers.
(6) "this children" - no, it's these children, basic grammar error
(7) "Mary discover" - no, it's discovered, ditto.
(8) "Herodias young daughter Salome": first of all, an apostrophe is missing, it should be Herodias'. Secondly, this is the famed Salome of the dance of the seven veils who asked for John the Baptist's head on a plate. At the time of Antipas' marriage with Herodias, Salome was around 20. What do you call "young"? And third, the role of Salome in this sentence is unclear. Did she help Mary smuggle out two of these children, or was she smuggled out? And if the latter, why? There is no explanation why she would be in danger.
Sorry, mi mistake, lost in transcription (no select and copy allowed in scribd) :
It's a very hollywoodesque story, sort of The White Queen on acid, the kind that doesn't allow historical accuracy, logic nor plausibility to spoil a good story telling aimed to the public appetites. It's the sort of thing one may expect when schizobabble meets cheaper Internet driven vanity press.
In a spirit of broadmindedness we may let the carpenter thing slip, as well as the Nazareth seat as Sepphoris/Autocratis was a one hour walk away from the hamlet associated to Jesus' family. But the rest are serious mismatches and illogical claims.
I encourage everybody to go to scribd and start chasing these inconsistencies in storytelling from Kathie's. There are a plenty. Now I'm in the part where Kathie discovers that Freud was wrong about dreams, but she still admits Freud to be the first person discovering that dreams have meaning. Holly lapsus!
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Let me try to take a stab at it.
(1) we've already gone over how Jesus could never have been born during Herod Antipas' marriage with Herodias
(2) Nazareth court: archaeological evidence shows that at that time, Nazareth was a village of at most a dozen houses. No place for a "tetrarch", a king of sorts, to set up court.
(3) "carpenter" as Joseph's profession gives the wrong impression he made chests, tables, chairs. etc. The Greek word "tekton" used in the NT meant at the time more a construction worker.
(4) Antipas' mother, Malthace, died in 4BC, i.e., at least 30 years before the marriage of Antipas with Herodias.
(5) "their five younger children": I'm at a loss whose children are meant. The "them" earlier in the sentence is already problematic. The only pair mentioned before is Joseph and Mary, but a Queen-Mother will most certainly not live with the maid; the only pair that makes sense is Antipas and Herodias, but Herodias only appears after that in the paragraph. Likewise, the "their younger children" implies (a) previous mention of a couple, and (b) previous mention of an older child of that couple. But apart from that, I don't see any sensible solution. (a) Joseph and Mary, and the five younger siblings of Jesus? No really, the children of the maid are challengers to the throne? And in Kathy's view, they would still be toddlers.
(6) "this children" - no, it's these children, basic grammar error
(7) "Mary discover" - no, it's discovered, ditto.
(8) "Herodias young daughter Salome": first of all, an apostrophe is missing, it should be Herodias'. Secondly, this is the famed Salome of the dance of the seven veils who asked for John the Baptist's head on a plate. At the time of Antipas' marriage with Herodias, Salome was around 20. What do you call "young"? And third, the role of Salome in this sentence is unclear. Did she help Mary smuggle out two of these children, or was she smuggled out? And if the latter, why? There is no explanation why she would be in danger.
Historical fiction is rarely accurate.
Here's the part that interested me from the excerpt Amazon provides:
1. NASA's page on Ganymede says that the atmosphere has been sampled, and is too oxygen-poor to support life as we know it.
2. According to several sites, temperatures on Ganymede run somewhere around two to three hundred degrees below zero Fahrenheit. (A hot day can get up into the minus one-seventies.)
I'm going to assume that, despite the use of the present tense (Ms. Bondar is not a native English speaker), that the dropping of goodies is something that will happen in the future, not something that's happening now, so I'll focus on this question now:
Ms. Bondar, how is Dr. Curie managing to survive on Ganymede? And why haven't we seen any signs of her, despite photos from Galileo and Hubble?
Now there is some stuff we can verify.Voices from the Parallel Universe said:
1. NASA's page on Ganymede says that the atmosphere has been sampled, and is too oxygen-poor to support life as we know it.
2. According to several sites, temperatures on Ganymede run somewhere around two to three hundred degrees below zero Fahrenheit. (A hot day can get up into the minus one-seventies.)
I'm going to assume that, despite the use of the present tense (Ms. Bondar is not a native English speaker), that the dropping of goodies is something that will happen in the future, not something that's happening now, so I'll focus on this question now:
Ms. Bondar, how is Dr. Curie managing to survive on Ganymede? And why haven't we seen any signs of her, despite photos from Galileo and Hubble?
Pixel42
Schrödinger's cat
Don't forget the people who have died in this world are communicating with the OP telepathically from the parallel universe in which they are now living. Presumably the Ganymede of the parallel universe where Marie Curie now resides is inhabitable.
Is Banff, Alberta, inhabitable in the parallel universe?
aleCcowaN
imperfecto del subjuntivo
More about Ganymede and its role in this story:
"Chapter 11
A group of extraterrestrials are currently seeking to establish contact with us demonstrate that language barriers are bridged by telepathy. They are from Ganymede, one of Jupiter's largest moons. In former lives they have lived on Earth and are known to us as Leonardo Da Vinci, Galileo Galilee, Blaise and Etienne Pascal, Renee Descartes and Marie Curie."
Also, on the moon landing
"Ch. 24 to 25:
The movie Capricorn One was based on the belief of some people in the motion picture industry that the American moon landing in 1969 may not have taken place. Life Magazines' Commemorative Issue of the 1969 Moon Landing has numerous discrepancies on the astronauts' clothing and a flag that appears windblown, even a pair of footprints that look like regular shoe prints. Prior to the historic 1969 moon landing a grand rehearsal was held in the Canadian Sudbury nickel mines, where it was believed the terrain most resembles the moon's surface. During the actual moon landing's televised broadcasts' dead air has been filled by segments of the Sudbury rehearsal, marked Simulation. From the quality of the images it was hard to tell which is which."
source: Kathie Bondar's book.
"Chapter 11
A group of extraterrestrials are currently seeking to establish contact with us demonstrate that language barriers are bridged by telepathy. They are from Ganymede, one of Jupiter's largest moons. In former lives they have lived on Earth and are known to us as Leonardo Da Vinci, Galileo Galilee, Blaise and Etienne Pascal, Renee Descartes and Marie Curie."
Also, on the moon landing
"Ch. 24 to 25:
The movie Capricorn One was based on the belief of some people in the motion picture industry that the American moon landing in 1969 may not have taken place. Life Magazines' Commemorative Issue of the 1969 Moon Landing has numerous discrepancies on the astronauts' clothing and a flag that appears windblown, even a pair of footprints that look like regular shoe prints. Prior to the historic 1969 moon landing a grand rehearsal was held in the Canadian Sudbury nickel mines, where it was believed the terrain most resembles the moon's surface. During the actual moon landing's televised broadcasts' dead air has been filled by segments of the Sudbury rehearsal, marked Simulation. From the quality of the images it was hard to tell which is which."
source: Kathie Bondar's book.
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Wow. Just wow. Has anyone actually ever bought a copy of that tosh?
aleCcowaN
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I may buy one. It's very good material for courses.
So wait - Galileo was Jesus reincarnated too?
aleCcowaN
imperfecto del subjuntivo
Take a look at this!!!
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specially the last paragraph on the page. Are we dealing with an impersonator or are we facing the "real deal"? [This is becoming sort of Sybil saying "my other personalities did it"]
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specially the last paragraph on the page. Are we dealing with an impersonator or are we facing the "real deal"? [This is becoming sort of Sybil saying "my other personalities did it"]
ddt
Mafia Penguin
Okay, fair enough.
Kathie said:
I'll agree about the carpenter thing, as it is so entrenched in our culture. I don't agree to let slip the Nazareth thing. First of all, Sepphoris is still another town than Nazareth. But more importantly, Antipas didn't hold his court there at the time. After he constructed Tiberias before 26AD, on the shores of the See of Galilee, he moved his court there:
As noted before, the lower bound for his marriage with Herodias is 27AD, so his court already had moved by the time he married her.
So, amending my earlier list, we now have:
(1) As before.
(2) Antipas' court was not in Nazareth, nor even near Nazareth.
(3) Amended as minor quibble.
(4) As before.
(5) So the five younger children were Malthace's. No such children are attested. Her oldest child was Archelaus, who became ethnarch of Judaea, and was deposed by the Romans after the Jews sent two delegations to Rome to request for his deposing as he was such an atrocious ruler. She only had only one younger child than Antipas, viz. Olympias. Even if there were, they would be 30-40 years old and would be able to come and go were they wanted.
(6) Deleted.
(7) Deleted.
(8) It's still a bit unclear to me what Salome's role in this is. She was also in danger of being murdered by Herod Antipas? Anyway, there's no evidence at all that Salome left Antipas' court, nor that she "betrayed Mary". As we all know, Mary had a bit of an unnatural ending of her life, but not by being murdered by a wannabe king.
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