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[Dissolution]

Why did you include that quote from yourself in that comment, Janadele?

 

[Janadele]

in a shop, "serving someone" means selling them an IN STOCK shop item... it does NOT mean specifically creating an item for them, to their specifications, which violates the sellers religious beliefs and convictions.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Fine then the person is "Refusing to provide a service because they are a bigoted hatemonger." Same argument still holds.

 

[tsig]

kelly, My post does not mention nor refer to "boycotting" at any time.
Pixel, reference to a baker refusing to provide wedding cakes and rainbow cakes for same sex celebrations is NOT "refusing to serve someone" it is instead a baker exercising his right of choice to refuse to use his personal skills to bake and provide a specific order of a symbolic cake which by so doing would endorse/support the celebration of an immoral, disgusting, abhorrent lifestyle and abomination against Eternal Laws of God and of nature.

Praise the Lord that the baker did not bake that cake for it obviously would have destroyed the world as we know it if he had used his oven in a perverted way.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I had no idea food preparation held that much power. Best be careful not to accidentally mix Raisin Bran and Capt'N Crunch when making breakfast tomorrow, lest I unmake the universe.

 

[Shalamar]

kelly, My post does not mention nor refer to "boycotting" at any time.
Pixel, reference to a baker refusing to provide wedding cakes and rainbow cakes for same sex celebrations is NOT "refusing to serve someone" it is instead a baker exercising his right of choice to refuse to use his personal skills to bake and provide a specific order of a symbolic cake which by so doing would endorse/support the celebration of an immoral, disgusting, abhorrent lifestyle and abomination against Eternal Laws of God and of nature.

The Revelation I received from The Lord^tm, wherein I was informed that it is not immoral, disgusting, abhorrent, nor is it against any eternal laws. Those that claim such are working for Satin.

A plague on those who want to strip or deny rights from people, because they think it is icky.

If people don't want to provide a public service, then perhaps they shouldn't run a public business.

This 'Immoral, disgusting, abhorrent' couple adopted 12 children into a loving, and welcoming home. Too bad you are blind, and very bigoted. Pray to the Lord^tm that you will see the truth!

 

[Shalamar]

in a shop, "serving someone" means selling them an IN STOCK shop item... it does NOT mean specifically creating an item for them which violates the sellers religious beliefs and convictions.

If they do not want to provide a service, then they should not have a business.

 

[desertgal]

No, I disagree. Hatred and bigotry is best exposed raw.

And it has. The only thing left is more of the same by Janadele, which is what she relishes. What purpose does continuing serve, other than to feed her self righteous, hate infested ego?

 

[jsfisher]

And it has. The only thing left is more of the same by Janadele, which is what she relishes. What purpose does continuing serve, other than to feed her self righteous, hate infested ego?

Nothing is likely to change Janadele, but Janadele may well encourage others to reconsider some of their own darker attitudes.

 

[desertgal]

Nothing is likely to change Janadele, but Janadele may well encourage others to reconsider some of their own darker attitudes.

Fair enough.

I hope the latter is true, but it seems a shame we have to feed her hate in the process.

 

[deaman]

kelly, My post does not mention nor refer to "boycotting" at any time.
Pixel, reference to a baker refusing to provide wedding cakes and rainbow cakes for same sex celebrations is NOT "refusing to serve someone" it is instead a baker exercising his right of choice to refuse to use his personal skills to bake and provide a specific order of a symbolic cake which by so doing would endorse/support the celebration of an immoral, disgusting, abhorrent lifestyle and abomination against Eternal Laws of God and of nature.

Hatemongering, as you are doing, is immoral, disgusting, abhorrent and if there were a God of Love, would be an abomination against any Eternal Laws of Love.

However, you appear to be a human being who is very hateful. A human being filled with hate because some book tells you so.

A human being filled with hate.

Maybe you will reap what you sow, and that will be a lesson learned.

 

[Slowvehicle]

kelly, My post does not mention nor refer to "boycotting" at any time.

Let's see...what you said was this:

Rand, this is already happening... Kindergarden children are even being taught they can choose the gender they wish to be. Perhaps yourself and other posters here are not aware of the Radical Homosexual Agenda. Christian preachers have already been fined and gaoled for "discriminating" by teaching the word of God regarding homosexual activity. Adoption agencies have been legally forced to close for refusing to facilitate adoption of the children in their care to same sex couples. Bakers / shop keepers who refuse to provide wedding cakes and rainbow cakes for same sex celebrations, providers of other wedding services, providers of accommodations... have been taken to court, fined, and had their businesses closed. On the agenda is an attempt to force Christian Churches to preform same sex marriages or take the consequences of refusing to do so. These are the real agendas of the push for same sex marriage and just some examples of how law can be used under the guise of "discrimination".

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9507949#post9507949

The relevant passage is hilighted .

Since you have utterly failed to provide any evidence for this unsupported allegation,and since the link provided demonstrates a couple closing their shopfront and working out of their house to escape and evade anti-discrimination laws (which is not,BTW, "having their business closed"), some posters, myself included, have charitably assumed you may have been misrembering the shop in Oregon, which, because public opinion turned against it for the proprietors' bigotry, went out of business (which is not,BTW, "having their business closed" by the law.

I will not repeat this error of charity--but you really, really, really, ought to provide actual citations that support your egregious fearmongering, if you have any desire to be taken seriously.

Please take this opportunity to provide actual evidence of:

1. A single instance of a "christian preacher" in the United States of America or its territories, possessions, or insular regions, who has been "fined and gaoled for 'discriminating' by teaching the word of God regarding homosexual activity". A link to a neutral source would be polite, and extremely useful.

2. A single example of an "adoption agency" in the United States of America or its territories, possessions, or insular regions, that has been "legally forced to close for refusing to facilitate adoption of the children in (its) care to same sex couples". Again, an actual link to a neutral source would be polite, as well as furthering the discussion.

3. A single example of a "Baker", a "shop keeper", a "provider of other wedding services", or a "providers of accommodations" in the United States of America or its territories, possessions, or insular regions, who has been "taken to court, fined, and had (their) business closed" for "refus(ing) to provide wedding cakes and rainbow cakes for same sex celebrations". Once again, as much fun as unsupported anecdotes can be, please provide a link to a neutral source.

4. A single example of a "Christian Church" (or for that matter, a church of any denomination) in the United States of America or its territories, possessions, or insular regions, upon which an attempt to "force" to "preform same sex marriages or take the consequences of refusing to do so" has been made. A link to a neutral source demonstrating such an instance would be splendid.

Pixel, reference to a baker refusing to provide wedding cakes and rainbow cakes for same sex celebrations is NOT "refusing to serve someone" it is instead a baker exercising his right of choice to refuse to use his personal skills to bake and provide a specific order of a symbolic cake which by so doing would endorse/support the celebration of an immoral, disgusting, abhorrent lifestyle and abomination against Eternal Laws of God and of nature.

...why are you not up in arms about the Radical Serial Monogamist Agenda that "forces" the baker to make "divorce cakes"? Isn't divorce just as much an abomination, a violation of "eternal law" as what you so kindly and with such xianist charity call "an immoral, disgusting, abhorrent lifestyle"?

What about the inhuman perverts who force her to produce coffee-flavored and mocha-infused muffins?

What about the baker who refuses to serve LDS, because she considers them satanic, un-xianist heretics?

What about a baker in Lubbock, TX who refuses to use her personal skills to produce a tailgate cake for *lohoma fans?

 

[Tricky]

Fair enough.

I hope the latter is true, but it seems a shame we have to feed her hate in the process.

No, you just expose hate. George Wallace did more to decrease racism in the south than almost anyone else, including Martin Luther King. The only thing we are feeding Janadele is "enough rope".

 

[joobz]

kelly, My post does not mention nor refer to "boycotting" at any time.
Pixel, reference to a baker refusing to provide wedding cakes and rainbow cakes for same sex celebrations is NOT "refusing to serve someone" it is instead a baker exercising his right of choice to refuse to use his personal skills to bake and provide a specific order of a symbolic cake which by so doing would endorse/support the celebration of an immoral, disgusting, abhorrent lifestyle and abomination against Eternal Laws of God and of nature.

Yet, the same shop had no problem selling cakes for divorces and Wiccan pagan rights. So I do not beleive them when they claimed religious opposition. It is pure bigotry.

Eta: for the record, your post has nothing to do with religion, but pure hate and bigotry. I find what you wrote to be disgusting, abhorrent and immoral. Such hate would be against the eternal laws of god and nature, if such a thing existed.

 

[halleyscomet]

in a shop, "serving someone" means selling them an IN STOCK shop item... it does NOT mean specifically creating an item for them, to their specifications, which violates the sellers religious beliefs and convictions.

Wedding cakes are pretty much custom jobs by definition. A refusal to sell anything other than an off the shelf item when you don't carry anything off the shelf that would be even vaguely suitable is still a refusal to provide service. I'm mystified at the nonsensical hair spitting you're trying to engage in.

I just realized something. You've never bought a wedding cake have you? Your mother-in-law no doubt took care of it when you got married and your children didn't involve you in the planning of their weddings.

 

[desertgal]

No, you just expose hate. George Wallace did more to decrease racism in the south than almost anyone else, including Martin Luther King. The only thing we are feeding Janadele is "enough rope".

Fair point again.

Ugh. What a horrible, blighted way to be and live. And she doesn't even know it, and probably never will. I almost pity her.

 

[Empress]

And it has. The only thing left is more of the same by Janadele, which is what she relishes. What purpose does continuing serve, other than to feed her self righteous, hate infested ego?

Well, we've managed to stop RoboTimbo's wife from possibly joining. I like to think there are others out there in a similar mindset that might stumble over this thread. It will be quite educational for them.

But this is the one which shows LDS and some Mormons in such a bad light. Thank you for bringing it to the attention of so many people. I had no idea about the fraudulent nature of LDS beginnings but I do now. Seriously, I thought it was just another version of Christianity with some of its own quirks like they all have.

My wife was actually considering joining because a few of her friends are Mormons. Her friends are quite nice but there's no way Mrs. Timbo will be joining a cult based on lies and outright fraud now. I've been keeping her informed about the way this "discussion" has gone and shown her skyrider44's and your behavior and methods.

 

[kellyb]

Janadel, I have an honest question: Do you think there's some merit to this theology, even though the author does not appear to be an LDS member?

http://truechristiansunite.yuku.com...the-Disabled-Nathaniel-P-Robbins#.UkIvk1WzKpg

 

[RandFan]

Everything "Enoch, Abraham, and Moses all had revelations on astronomy, and Joseph Smith called the first newspaper of the LDS Church The Evening and the Morning Star. Abraham gazed into the Urim and Thummim and was swept away in a vision of the heavens. Beyond the violent hurricanes of Jupiter and the twisted rings of Saturn, past swirling black holes and the blinding explosions of living stars he traveled until he approached the throne of God. Then, "face to face, as one man talketh with another," he spoke with the Lord, and like Enoch before him and Moses after him, he was shown "those things which [God's] hands had made, which were many; and they multiplied before mine eyes, and I could not see the end thereof" (Abraham 3: 4-15). Abraham was taught astronomy from the Being who organized it all, "the times and seasons in the revolutions thereof"of stars and planets, the earth and the sun." http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds/meridian/2000/mormastr2.html

Not a single prophet revealed that there were creatures too small for the eye to see that lived in the air and water and could kill people if they didn't take precautions. Smith did tell people not to drink hot beverages increasing the risk. Sorry but I'm very unimpressed. The Greeks wrote poetically about the heavens long before the Israelite or Joseph Smith.

 

[Tricky]

Fair point again.

Ugh. What a horrible, blighted way to be and live. And she doesn't even know it, and probably never will. I almost pity her.

It seems that way to us, but to them, it seems right. I'm from Alabama and I have hateful bigots as relatives. I also have two siblings who are bible-thumpers. (I have a thread on it somewhere.) They are basically happy and undeserving of pity. I love them in spite of our differences. I think they love me. But they are not as hateful as people were back in the 60's when they were bombing churches in Birmingham. We've grown beyond that at least. Thank you, George Wallace.