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Janadele said:
Summoned to court and fined.
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Allow me to enter into evidence a counter argument.

Fred phelps and his kin attend numerous events holding signs harassing others. Their core message is, "god hates fags." This is done at funerals, social events, you name it, they spread this filth.

Yet, they are not summoned to court and fined. They are free to spread their despicable message. They are free to harass within the confines of the law.

So, let me as you, if they world is so unfairly biased in favor of the"gay agenda", how does the phelpses still exist?
 
Anyone who thinks that Christians are oppressed in this country has no idea what religious oppression is really like.
 
deaman said:
Janadele -

Can you tell us your thoughts and feelings about President Hinckley's statement below?


President Hinkley speaking at the church's general conference: "Now I am told that racial slurs and denigrating remarks are sometimes heard among us. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ. Nor can he consider himself to be in harmony with the teachings of the Church of Christ."
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That must be a post 1978 statement.

kerikiwi said:
You even delegate how you feel to someone else to decide.
Why can't you decide for yourself how you feel?
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Based upon what other current and former Mormons have said in this thread, I think she's using the LDS as an excuse for her existing bigotry as much as latching onto the darker corners of the dogma.

Craig4 said:
I think there's something that everyone but Orson Scott Card knows about Orson Scott Card.
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I think his homophobia is the result of two things.

1. Conflating homosexuality and pedophilia
2. Self loathing over illegal and universally despised urges.

I think if he properly understood the difference between homosexuality and pedophilia, "Hamlet's Father" would have been left largely unchanged, except for removing the completely unnecessary plot point of all the king's rape victims turning gay. I suspect his conflating homosexuality and pedophilia is the result of cultural indoctrination, a need to maximize the number of people who might sympathize with his internal struggles, or a combination of the two.

Pup said:
My wife, who's a member, specifically joined this forum because she was embarrassed at what Janadele was posting.
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Again, evidence for my assertion that Janadele needs some training in remedial witnessing.
 
 
halleyscomet said:
Leader of Polygamist Mormon Sect Is Arrested

Fundamentalist sect leader jailed for life for sex with child brides. Sentences follow Warren Jeffs's conviction for polygamist marriages with girls as young as 12
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To be fair, the polygamist sects are solidly denounced by the main Salt Lake church (Janadele's church), in the same way most Protestant churches denounce Fred Phelps. So I doubt that Janadele would care that a polygamist Mormon was arrested. The Salt Lake church gave up the battle for polygamy around the turn of the 20th century and has now gone over to the other side, declaring that marriage must be exactly one man and one woman only, which of course is the problem when it comes to gay marriage.

Remember, whenever a Mormon goes to jail, it's evidence of Janadele's claims of an extremist homosexual agenda.
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As prejudiced and hateful as Janadele's posts are, I don't see that she's given any indication that she would like to see random violence, drug use, polygamy or pedophilia freely practiced by Mormons.
 
halleyscomet said:
In Jan's defense, allow me to provide some citations.

Mormons jailed for actions their church didn't treat as crimes

Leader of Polygamist Mormon Sect Is Arrested

Fundamentalist sect leader jailed for life for sex with child brides. Sentences follow Warren Jeffs's conviction for polygamist marriages with girls as young as 12

Man Arrested After Fight Over Church Seats [Mormon church fight over pews spills into parking lot]

Mormon mom-of-seven Yanira Maldonado from Arizona imprisoned by Mexican cops in alleged marijuana bust

Mormon Church Leader Arrested In Penis Biting Attack

Is the Mormon church a hate group?

Remember, whenever a Mormon goes to jail, it's evidence of Janadele's claims of an extremist homosexual agenda.
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I tried to find a follow-up on that penultimate story but couldn't find anything at all.
Does anyone know about the fate of Efrey Guzman?

deaman said:
Oh, these are great. I had never before heard of Mitchell and Webb. Really delicious!

This one seems very apropo for this thread. (I hope it's not been posted, previously.)

Enjoy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM_kbE3S8gk&feature=endscreen
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Thanks!
Mitchell and Webb do have some great moments, don't they?
 
Pup said:
To be fair, the polygamist sects are solidly denounced by the main Salt Lake church (Janadele's church), in the same way most Protestant churches denounce Fred Phelps. So I doubt that Janadele would care that a polygamist Mormon was arrested. The Salt Lake church gave up the battle for polygamy around the turn of the 20th century and has now gone over to the other side, declaring that marriage must be exactly one man and one woman only, which of course is the problem when it comes to gay marriage.



As prejudiced and hateful as Janadele's posts are, I don't see that she's given any indication that she would like to see random violence, drug use, polygamy or pedophilia freely practiced by Mormons.
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That would depend on what her prophet told her.
 
Akhenaten said:
Exactly.

And I'd be most interested to learn what her response would be to being told by the LDSPTB that random violence, drug use, polygamy and pedophilia are forthwith approved.
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"One can only marvel at the glory and passion of our Lord, God in Heaven."
 
tsig said:
That would depend on what her prophet told her.
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Well, the current prophet of her church has said not to do those things, and I don't see that she's split with him on those topics. As much as I hate to defend Janadele, LOL, it seems unfair and illogical to assume she endorses everything any individual Mormon does, especially if they're in a branch that the Salt Lake church has disowned. She's specifically criticized my wife, for example, so it's not like she believes all Mormons can do no wrong.

Akhenaten said:
And I'd be most interested to learn what her response would be to being told by the LDSPTB that random violence, drug use, polygamy and pedophilia are forthwith approved.
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I wonder if she'd answer that as a hypothetical? We've seen that she's willing to follow her own choices on other things, even when the prophet instructs otherwise:

"President Hinkley speaking at the church's general conference: 'Now I am told that racial slurs and denigrating remarks are sometimes heard among us. I remind you that no man who makes disparaging remarks concerning those of another race can consider himself a true disciple of Christ. Nor can he consider himself to be in harmony with the teachings of the Church of Christ.'"

It's a good question. How far do she and, separately, Skyrider44 feel that their obedience should go? If there's a limit to obedience, then what outside factor would make them disobey? If there's no limit, would they go as far as Abraham with Isaac, for example? If not, why not?
 
Pup said:
It's a good question. How far do she and, separately, Skyrider44 feel that their obedience should go? If there's a limit to obedience, then what outside factor would make them disobey? If there's no limit, would they go as far as Abraham with Isaac, for example? If not, why not?
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I think you've put this question far better than I did myself, and I look forward to a meaningful answer.
 
Pup said:
Well, the current prophet of her church has said not to do those things, and I don't see that she's split with him on those topics. As much as I hate to defend Janadele, LOL, it seems unfair and illogical to assume she endorses everything any individual Mormon does, especially if they're in a branch that the Salt Lake church has disowned. She's specifically criticized my wife, for example, so it's not like she believes all Mormons can do no wrong.
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I agree. Her belief that homosexuals are perverted and engaging in some sort of sinister plot against her is bad enough.
 
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