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Slowvehicle said:
You, a practicing LDS, made false claims about things that did not happen. You, a practicing LDS, bore false witness. You, a practicing LDS, made unfounded and dishonest allegations about current events purported to demonstrate how LDS are under attack by your fantasy of a "Radical Homosexual Agenda". You, a practicing LDS, stated that your unsupported claims violated "Eternal Law".

Your false witness, your misstatements, your delusions, all in support of the "Radial LDS Agenda", are precisely what ought to be the subject of a thread entitled "LDS" on a rational forum.

I suggest that you support your claims, or apologize and withdraw them.
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Nonsense Slowvehicle. Posts 7271 and 7292 are entirely factual... and also have no reference whatsoever to Eternal Law or the LDS Church. Think before you rave.
 
I know I'll regret this, but I'm guessing there exist photos or paintings somewhere in the Mormon archives of Jesus walking on the open sea or riding a wooden cross, right next to an ark laden with giraffes and elephants.:)
 
Janadele said:
Nonsense Slowvehicle. Posts 7271 and 7292 are entirely factual... and also have no reference whatsoever to Eternal Law or the LDS Church.
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They have no reference at all, for that matter.

It's almost as though you just made them up out of whole cloth.

In fact, it's exactly like that.


By the way, any chance of you learning how to link properly to previous posts?



Janadele said:
Think before you rave.
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Indeed.
 
Akhenaten said:
Still, your general point is quite valid.

Where, for instance, was Jesus when Moses was having all that trouble with Pharaoh? And it wouldn't have hurt him to give poor old Joshua a hand with that Jericho business.
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He was busy helping build the pyramids and taming dinosaurs.
 
Janadele said:
Astreja, I am sorry, but If you wish to abide by Eternal Law you will choose celibacy.
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I think that your "eternal law" and your god are wholly mythical. I also think you missed the bit where I clearly stated that I wasn't interested in being married to someone in the alleged afterlife.

Often the truthful answer is not what the seeker wants to hear nor is willing to accept.
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You'll have to empirically demonstrate that you *have* the truth before it becomes worthy of consideration.

Our Heavenly Father does not reveal all to us, and to those who reject what He has revealed, even less is given.
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Kindly tell your Heavenly Father to get in touch with Me personally, in physical form. I am no longer taking representations from mortals on behalf of gods, as I believe that gods should not depend upon humans to relay Their messages.

Your debate methodology seems to rather be short on verifiable empirical data, relying primarily on argumentum ad baculum. You insinuate that skeptics and apostates are going to be in trouble when Daddy gets home they are supposedly "judged" by your god in some probably-mythical afterlife. As far as I'm concerned, if you have to use scare tactics to defend and propagate your beliefs, those beliefs have failed from both a moral and an intellectual POV.
 
Janadele said:
Wrong Halley. The official LDS Doctrine is as I stated, not as you have declared.
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The revelation I received from The Lordtm shows that you, and your religion, the LDS church, as wrong. The Lordtm only wants people to be happy, and has no problems with two adults marrying each other, regardess of gender, as long as they love each other.

To claim otherwise is hateful, and bigoted, and The Lordtm wants nothing to do with those that treat thier fellow human beings in that way.

Se the Light, Janadele, come to the one true way, and step away from the evil that is the LDS church! I know it to be true because of the burning in my bosom!
 
Janadele said:
My posts 7271 and 7292 refer to what is happening as reported in world news and other media... no association with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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Yes, so why are you pointing this out when it has nothing to do with my question?

Hence further discussion of such court cases, law, and the radical homosexual agenda is not on topic to this thread.
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This may have everything to do with your personal bigotry and hatred, but it has nothing to do with my question.

However, if allowed, should time permit, and if I feel like so doing, I shall endeavour to find some of the articles and provide links. :p
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Oh, thank you, thank you, for your kind consideration to even contemplate this act of pure kindness. Please don't bother, though. I'd prefer to address the question I asked without smoke screen and evasion.
 
Janadele said:
Nothing predates Christianity on this earth. Adam and Eve had the fullness of The Gospel of Jesus Christ and were married by Him... an example to us, their mortal descendants.
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They clearly didn't have the fullness of The Gospel of Jesus Christ, as he hadn't been created yet.
Christianity continuity fail?

ETA: Anything supporting evidence for this claim, by the way?
 
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Oh, Janadele. I am so, so disappointed in you. I don't have any problem with your adherence to your faith despite the many documented anachronisms and errors; that is your own business, and if you can reconcile the nonsense with reality then that's up to you.

But the disgusting bigotry you displayed upthread, not to mention the fundamental misunderstandings you have of gender and sexuality, is just so upsetting to me. Despite some of the things you've said in this thread, I honestly believed you were better than that.

The only 'agenda' that a minority group has - be that black people, homosexuals, or the disabled - is to be accorded respect and equal rights. Not more rights, not the right to harass others, just the right to be respected and to be treated as equals. To be able to live their lives free from having to conceal what they are and how they feel inside, the right to grow up surrounded by familial love instead of hatred, the right to fall in love and to marry their partner if they choose to.
 
Astreja said:
I think that your "eternal law" and your god are wholly mythical. I also think you missed the bit where I clearly stated that I wasn't interested in being married to someone in the alleged afterlife.
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Yeah, I mean, what if you find out after sixteen and a half billion years that it doesn't work ? Can you get a divine divorce ?
 
Janadele said:
Nothing predates Christianity on this earth. Adam and Eve had the fullness of The Gospel of Jesus Christ and were married by Him... an example to us, their mortal descendants.
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Citation needed.

Janadele said:
Wrong Halley. The official LDS Doctrine is as I stated, not as you have declared.
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Citation needed. You're good at looking up LDS doctrine. What is the official, documented, LDS stance on when a person's gender is determined?
 
Janadele said:
Nothing predates Christianity on this earth. Adam and Eve had the fullness of The Gospel of Jesus Christ and were married by Him... an example to us, their mortal descendants.
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The earth is 5 billion years old.
recorded history is ~10,000 years old.
a lot predates christianity.


Janadele,
One is free to believe what one wishes. However, you are not permitted to have your own facts.
 
Dissolution said:
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ETA: Anything supporting evidence for this claim, by the way?
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Jesus Christ is the Son, the Saviour, the Only Begotten...

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/2?lang=eng
26 And I, God, said unto mine Only Begotten, which was with me from the beginning: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and it was so... 27 And I, God, created man in mine own image, in the image of mine Only Begotten created I him; male and female created I them.

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3?lang=eng

24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and He said unto those who were with Him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/1?lang=eng

6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for He is full of grace and truth;

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/1?lang=eng
33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten. 34 And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.
 
Janadele said:
Jesus Christ is the Son, the Saviour, the Only Begotten...

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/2?lang=eng
26 And I, God, said unto mine Only Begotten, which was with me from the beginning: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and it was so... 27 And I, God, created man in mine own image, in the image of mine Only Begotten created I him; male and female created I them.

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3?lang=eng

24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and He said unto those who were with Him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/1?lang=eng

6 And I have a work for thee, Moses, my son; and thou art in the similitude of mine Only Begotten; and mine Only Begotten is and shall be the Savior, for He is full of grace and truth;

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/1?lang=eng
33 And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine own purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotten. 34 And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.
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You still haven't figured out that fairy tales are not evidence?
 
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