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having witnessed the power of the priesthood to work modern-day miracles

What sorts of miracles?

Do they differ in substance from the "miracles" claimed by assorted con artists such as Peter Popoff?

Have you examined these miracles to see if they are indeed supernatural in origin, lacking any conceivable natural explanation?

Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

They only exist in some states. Civil Unions lack all the legal protections of custody, medical proxy, inheritance and taxation granted by marriage. If they truly were separate but equal, you MIGHT have an argument, but they are not.
 
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This thread is to present and explain LDS beliefs, teachings and doctrines, not to abuse and denigrate them. No one has, or is, being forced to participate in this LDS thread.

Oh, that's adorable dear.

This a thread on a forum dedicated to skepticism. The whole POINT of a thread here is to question and probe every nook and cranny. You can't dictate a change in forum policy and intent just by registering for a user account and starting a thread. You, and your religion, simply aren't that special.

Can you answer my questions yourself?

Putting theology into one's own words necessitates comprehension beyond repetition. I have seen no indication she can put more than the most basic of concepts into her own words.

This is just closed-minded preaching. There's no debate going on here.

A mind lacking depth of comprehension cannot be open to new ideas, or assess challenges to ideas already held.

Do you have any opinions of your own?

That is my opinion.

So, no. Janadele has ceded all thought and analysis to the LDS elders, except when she's rather ignore LDS doctrine. For example:

Shalamar :
Gender is an eternal characteristic.

If you are willing to break with LDS doctrine on that, why are you so attached to LDS doctrine on other matters?

Gender is not a factor in the preexistence. Gender is determined, randomly, at birth. The eternal "binding" so commonly associated with celestial marriage and used to justify polygamy was mixed gender from the beginning of the Mormon faith, with employers binding their employees to them in some examples.

Check out "The Development of the Doctrine of the Preexistence" by Charles Harrell for more information.

Those who wish to abide by Eternal Law have a right to do so without harassment from those who do not.

And yet you have broken with LDS doctrine in the quote above.
 
What sorts of miracles?

Do they differ in substance from the "miracles" claimed by assorted con artists such as Peter Popoff?

Have you examined these miracles to see if they are indeed supernatural in origin, lacking any conceivable natural explanation?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess he's referring to "miracles" like this one:

Long, possibly boring story, so I've hidden it:

I took my mother to the ER for one problem and they discovered it was actually secondary to renal failure. She was in the hospital for over ten days including in a specialty ward for three of those. While she was there, she was, quite reasonably scared, and I offered to call someone from her church to give her a blessing.

Two friends of hers, holders of the priesthood, came and gave her the blessing. She also had me at the hospital about 16 hours a day every day, taking care of her every need and, alerting the staff to a couple complications they had missed, and even stopping them from prescribing a medication she was allergic to, and they hadn't noticed in her chart.

Her kidneys began functioning again, which happens in about 50 percent of the pts the procedure was used on.

When we were finally back home (after a long stint in rehab after her hospital stay) she looked at me very seriously and told me that I had to see that her life was saved by the blessing she received and that the Mormon church was true.

Over a million dollars in medical care. Dozens of doctors, nurses, and support staff. A daughter constantly at her side as her medical advocate. And two guys pouring some oil on her head and saying a few magic words. And it was blessing that she credited with saving her life.

skyrider and Janadele seem to have the same mindset. They will discount anything and everything that is beautiful and exciting and a testament to our ability as a species to wonder about things we don't know and then find the answers, in favor of superstition and childish magical thinking. It's sad.
 
I find that often the fundamentalists view normal daily good fortune as a "miracle". I knew a guy who prayed his way through the day, and of course things pretty much turned out for the best...including my successful repairs on his research equipment. God got the credit for everything including his tireless efforts to complete his Phd.

One "miracle" was for him very significant though. Their church needed $1924.00 to complete payment for some particular project. I recall the number because it was my phone number at the time. They prayed to get the amount they needed, and when it was tallied up, it was....$1924.00 exactly. To him it was a miracle. I mentioned that the number was the last 4 digits in my phone number. He was overwhelmed with emotion.

I often wondered if one of the members, the one who counted the money, saw they were short $5.00 or so, and just threw in a five-spot, or whether it was in fact a "miracle". :)

ETA: OR.....it just now occurred to me, what if their collection had been in fact $200.00 over the needed $1924.00? And the counter guy....saw the chance for a miracle.....and an extra couple hundred in his pocket? Ouch!:D
 
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...and questions are still being asked. How does your claim to "eternal law" give you a pass on bigotry, racism, misogyny, and mendaciousness?

"You don't count the dead, when god's on your side".

B. Dylan
 
Harassment? What are you talking about? You have freedom of religion in America and we have freedom of expression. You can worship any god you wish. I can speak out against any theology I want.

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about, RandFan ! When religious people indoctrinate and force convert others, it's just spreading the good news and saving souls from hell. When skeptics question the veracity of a religious claim, it's harassment ! ;)
 
Secular unions are already allowed under law and do not require the Christian definition of marriage.

Marriage predates Christianity. If you wanted to have your own definition for it, then you should've called it something else.
Woo Union?
 
Just to stay on topic, Janadele, so what is the gay agenda, then, according to the LDS Church?
My posts 7271 and 7292 refer to what is happening as reported in world news and other media... no association with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Hence further discussion of such court cases, law, and the radical homosexual agenda is not on topic to this thread. However, if allowed, should time permit, and if I feel like so doing, I shall endeavour to find some of the articles and provide links. :p
 
Marriage predates Christianity. If you wanted to have your own definition for it, then you should've called it something else.
Woo Union?
Nothing predates Christianity on this earth. Adam and Eve had the fullness of The Gospel of Jesus Christ and were married by Him... an example to us, their mortal descendants.
 
Janadele said:
Gender is an eternal characteristic.

Clearly not, since people can get sex changes.

The Spirit of a male is male. The Spirit of a female is female. On the rare occasion that the gender of the mortal body of a person is not known, then the gender of the Spiritual body is also not known while in mortality.

Then it's possible that a female spirit would be trapped in a male body, then ? Would you say that the spirit's gender is more important than the body's gender ? And, if so, wouldn't you then be open to the possibility that homosexuals are examples of such an occurance ?

That's your pandora's box, not mine.
 
My posts 7271 and 7292 refer to what is happening as reported in world news and other media... no association with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Hence further discussion of such court cases, law, and the radical homosexual agenda is not on topic to this thread. However, if allowed, should time permit, and if I feel like so doing, I shall endeavour to find some of the articles and provide links. :p

You, a practicing LDS, made false claims about things that did not happen. You, a practicing LDS, bore false witness. You, a practicing LDS, made unfounded and dishonest allegations about current events purported to demonstrate how LDS are under attack by your fantasy of a "Radical Homosexual Agenda". You, a practicing LDS, stated that your unsupported claims violated "Eternal Law".

Your false witness, your misstatements, your delusions, all in support of the "Radial LDS Agenda", are precisely what ought to be the subject of a thread entitled "LDS" on a rational forum.

I suggest that you support your claims, or apologize and withdraw them.
 
Gender is not a factor in the preexistence. Gender is determined, randomly, at birth.
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And yet you have broken with LDS doctrine in the quote above.
Wrong Halley. The official LDS Doctrine is as I stated, not as you have declared.
 
Nothing predates Christianity on this earth. Adam and Eve had the fullness of The Gospel of Jesus Christ and were married by Him... an example to us, their mortal descendants.

Wait a minute. Jesus...Adam and Eve...? So did Jesus survive the flood on the ark?
 
Gender is not a factor in the preexistence. Gender is determined, randomly, at birth.
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And yet you have broken with LDS doctrine in the quote above.


Wrong Halley. The official LDS Doctrine is as I stated, not as you have declared.


Are you hoping that nobody will notice that the quote fragment that you're pretending to answer is nothing like the actual original quote?

Guess again.
 
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