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Unbelievable.

NoahFence said:
Okee doke.

Relevance?kerosine even when properly mixed with air cannot melt steel.



Agreed. And these buildings were no different, which is why they didn't collapse at free fall speeds.sorry... They did..


You're the one being lied to. because....



Speaking of scenarios, got one that explains the entire day? how about first realizing that some things just cannot happen. Then move on to what might have happened.

It wasn't just NYC.
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LOL.. Funny..
 
cloggy said:
Easy to throw in "BS" and "fantasy" but you never really checked.
Btw.. The core was far from 95% air.. Did you forget about that piece of the structure? The official story that you seem to follow has nice graphics of the floors collapsing.... and forgets the core that would still be standing 400 m in the air...

Your 13 seconds is close to reality... It would be free fall with air resistance.. So, you agree with me.. 9-13 seconds is free fall..
Now,we are getting somewhere...
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Wow, make up agreement and claim victory - typical tactics of 911 truth, make up support, quote-mine, and cherry-pick. gish gallop follows ...

No, 13 seconds is not near free fall, check your math. The 13 seconds is a momentum model, which is much slower than free fall of 9 seconds. Got math?

The WTC was 95 percent air, you can't rent solid space. The core was full of elevator shafts, filled with nearly 100 percent air, with some elevators in them, mostly filled with,,, air. lol
 
cloggy said:
The buildings were standing after impact. As designed.
People use kerosine to cook their food in aluminum pots..
Collapse cannot happen at free fall speed.

Is being lied to more comfortable that looking for answers..??
Ou have every right to doubt the scenarios that people come up with. so do I.
But to accept a scenario that makes no sense.....
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Dear Mr/Ms/Miss Cloggy,

Please read a few (say a couple of hundred) of the thousands of posts made on this Forum about the WTC conspiracy lunacy.

Every piece of conspiratorial nonsense has been definitively refuted.

The World Trade Center Buildings were brought down by two very large planes flying into them and/or debris from the first two buildings falling on other buildings already weakened by fire.

If you have any "new" "evidence" otherwise, post it here. There a a few gentle souls who may be happy to converse with you on the topic.

I, however, will just bring out the popcorn for yet another round of hilarity.

Let's have your credentials in the meantime.

Best of luck.

:th:
 
16.5 said:
From collapse initiation to the final collapse of the the core, which is commonly referred to as the spires:

South Tower 34 seconds

North Tower 26 seconds.

Say, welcome to the site!
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Thanks.

Interesting numbers... Where did you get those from...
And you have a number for WTC 7..?
 
cloggy said:
LOL.. Funny..
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Indeed.

This never works, but I'll try it anyway. Do us all a favor and find a specific topic that you would like to discuss. Search through this forum and find that topic. Or, start a thread yourself. You'd get huge bonus points if you could post a complete hypothesis that explains the events of 9/11 in a thread dedicated to that subject or, alternatively, posting the best single piece of evidence that you have.

Please don't take this thread - a thread about a particular 9/11 conspiracy advertising in San Francisco - and make it into an all-encompassing 9/11 truth thread. The way this forum works, everything will get deleted or moved and you'l fail to make any headway.

Thanks in advance.
 
cloggy said:
Thanks.

Interesting numbers... Where did you get those from...
And you have a number for WTC 7..?
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He said where he got them from. Looking at it.

WTC 7 = between 15 and 20 seconds as I saw it. But then, I include when the mechanical penthouse drops, and add a few seconds because the structure beneath it is collapsing. You guys fast-forward beyond those obvious facts because it doesn't suit Gage.
 
beachnut said:
Wow, make up agreement and claim victory - typical tactics of 911 truth, make up support, quote-mine, and cherry-pick. gish gallop follows ...

No, 13 seconds is not near free fall, check your math. The 13 seconds is a momentum model, which is much slower than free fall of 9 seconds. Got math?

The WTC was 95 percent air, you can't rent solid space. The core was full of elevator shafts, filled with nearly 100 percent air, with some elevators in them, mostly filled with,,, air. lol
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Denial is strong in this one, Obi Wan
 
cloggy said:
If not CD.. Then why did if fall with free fall speed in its own footprint?
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cloggy, note the 'freefalling' pieces of WTC1 that are way ahead of the main collapse zone.

The Towers did not fall at 'freefall speed' .

 
carlitos said:
Indeed.

This never works, but I'll try it anyway. Do us all a favor and find a specific topic that you would like to discuss. Search through this forum and find that topic. Or, start a thread yourself. You'd get huge bonus points if you could post a complete hypothesis that explains the events of 9/11 in a thread dedicated to that subject or, alternatively, posting the best single piece of evidence that you have.

Please don't take this thread - a thread about a particular 9/11 conspiracy advertising in San Francisco - and make it into an all-encompassing 9/11 truth thread. The way this forum works, everything will get deleted or moved and you'l fail to make any headway.

Thanks in advance.
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I get bonus points... Yeh!

So.. You didn't know about WTC-7 either...
It happens...

But seriously..
Anger about a poster informing people, making people think, is a strange reaction.
Apparently it violates a vision of what is believed to have happened.
As I said before. There is no need to have the answers on what did happen. There are many theories..
What is important is to find out what could not have happened.
The controlled demolition of WTC is such an event. The poster highlights that the event has been hidden from the main public, and when confronted with it, a totally irrational explanation was given..
It's good that people are made to think critically..
 
cloggy said:
I get bonus points... Yeh!

So.. You didn't know about WTC-7 either...
It happens...

But seriously..
Anger about a poster informing people, making people think, is a strange reaction.
Apparently it violates a vision of what is believed to have happened.
As I said before. There is no need to have the answers on what did happen. There are many theories..
What is important is to find out what could not have happened.
The controlled demolition of WTC is such an event. The poster highlights that the event has been hidden from the main public, and when confronted with it, a totally irrational explanation was given..
It's good that people are made to think critically..
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So you won't be taking us up on our request for you to start a new thread explaining the entire day?
 
GlennB said:
cloggy, note the 'freefalling' pieces of WTC1 that are way ahead of the main collapse zone.

The Towers did not fall at 'freefall speed' .

[qimg]http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg274/sap-guy/WTC1feefall.jpg[/qimg]
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Good picture. Good point. If we can find out the time the pieces started to fall...
A piece falling ahead of a dust cloud is not telling much. There are plenty of videos showing the time it took to fall,into itself..

But.. With a collapse, shouldn't the floors pile up.. And why would the core collapse?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9qzPphWya_Q&desktop_uri=/watch?v=9qzPphWya_Q
 
There's no need to explain what happened, only to explain what could not have happened. That's how Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone. By explaining how you could not carry speech through a wire. Most of the advancement of humankind has come from this type of thinking. Joseph Salk didn't hypothesize how to cure polio, he worked on "what could not have happened" as the disease spread.

This is science.

:mgbanghead
 
NoahFence said:
So you won't be taking us up on our request for you to start a new thread explaining the entire day?
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i have no explanation for the entire day..
So you still think that in the whole of history three skyscrapers collapsed due to a fire? Never happened before. Never happened afterwards.. Only on 11.09.2001
 
We should all listen to Cloggy. He brings up points nobody has brought up at any time in the twelve years since 9/11. I mean, who ever heard of WTC 7 or "free-fall speed"?
 
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