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Unbelievable.

cloggy said:
Sounds to me the knowledge of a third building collapsing came as a shock...:covereyes
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The entire WTC complex was destroyed on 911. AE911 spread lies about 911. It is sad Gage has collected over a million dollars from people who can't figure out 911 given the evidence and 12 years; super failure. Who knew there was a million dollars from all those fringe conspiracy theorists? Gage? What a scam.
 
ozeco41 said:
The choice was deliberate and accurate.
Old news - I was aware of the paper but it is not relevant to my statement.

The central issue of the AE911 strategy is the false technical claim that there was CD involved in the 9/11 WTC collapses. That claim is false.

So the three parts of my previous comment - in reversed order - are:

1) that "No reasonable, rational, honest person will be fooled by these CT's." where the CT referenced is the claim for CD of WTC 7. That statement is true.

2) "They will simply reinforce the common understanding that they are at best deluded fools and, at somewhat worse, deliberate liars." Two sub points - there is a common understanding - true AND the two subsets of that common understanding are "deluded" or "liars". The "deliberate" bit is hyperbolic redundancy because "lie" is by definition deliberate.

3) Given the truth of "No CD" the use of "liar" needs no further explanation.

If you want reasoned discussion of some aspect put forward a reasoned argument.
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And.. Why would that claim be false?
Not even the 911 commission dared to come p with an explanation...
If not CD.. Then why did if fall with free fall speed in its own footprint?
 
beachnut said:
The entire WTC complex was destroyed on 911. AE911 spread lies about 911. It is sad Gage has collected over a million dollars from people who can't figure out 911 given the evidence and 12 years; super failure. Who knew there was a million dollars from all those fringe conspiracy theorists? Gage? What a scam.
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Glad to hear someone has all the answers..
So why did the 3 towers, the only 3 in history, evaporate in thin air..
 
cloggy said:
And.. Why would that claim be false?
Not even the 911 commission dared to come p with an explanation...
If not CD.. Then why did if fall with free fall speed in its own footprint?
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Did you google the free fall speed in its own footprint? lol

The "own footprint" is classic BS - google on cloggy

you were fooled by KB, what next?
 
cloggy said:
Glad to hear someone has all the answers..
So why did the 3 towers, the only 3 in history, evaporate in thin air..
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Judy woods says beam weapon, they turned to dust, dustified. An insane claim.

Someone else says nukes did it, the cold nukes, no blast effects. A more insane claim.

Then an insane professor fired from BYU say thermite did it, in the ceiling tiles with remote radio detonators. No steel shows signs of thermite damage... darn, super nano failure


Take your pick.

Reality says impacts and fires not fought caused the collapse of 3 WTC buildings, at rates way below free fall. Due to ignorance the 911 truth liars who started the silly fantasy claims, can't do math, physics, or any science to support their lies, fantasy, and delusional conclusions.

Good luck with google, you seem to be gullible - you trust the wrong people.
 
beachnut said:
Did you google the free fall speed in its own footprint? lol
The "own footprint" is classic BS - google on cloggy
you were fooled by KB, what next?
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No need.. Take any video and some college physics, H=1/2 x g x t x t
Take the WTC.. Roughly.. Without air resistance..
417m = 1/2 x 10 m/s/s x t x t
T = sqrt 83= 9 seconds....

How does a building collapse in that time.. A collapse of 110 stories would take minutes.. And leave 110 floors on top of each other.....

Where are the floors..??q
 
beachnut said:
Judy woods says beam weapon, they turned to dust, dustified. An insane claim.

Someone else says nukes did it, the cold nukes, no blast effects. A more insane claim.

Then an insane professor fired from BYU say thermite did it, in the ceiling tiles with remote radio detonators. No steel shows signs of thermite damage... darn, super nano failure


Take your pick.

Reality says impacts and fires not fought caused the collapse of 3 WTC buildings, at rates way below free fall. Due to ignorance the 911 truth liars who started the silly fantasy claims, can't do math, physics, or any science to support their lies, fantasy, and delusional conclusions.

Good luck with google, you seem to be gullible - you trust the wrong people.
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The buildings were standing after impact. As designed.
People use kerosine to cook their food in aluminum pots..
Collapse cannot happen at free fall speed.

Is being lied to more comfortable that looking for answers..??
Ou have every right to doubt the scenarios that people come up with. so do I.
But to accept a scenario that makes no sense.....
 
cloggy said:
No need.. Take any video and some college physics, H=1/2 x g x t x t
Take the WTC.. Roughly.. Without air resistance..
417m = 1/2 x 10 m/s/s x t x t
T = sqrt 83= 9 seconds....

How does a building collapse in that time.. A collapse of 110 stories would take minutes.. And leave 110 floors on top of each other.....

Where are the floors..??q
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A collapse of the WTC takes ~13 seconds based on momentum alone. And the actual collapse took longer.

Your minutes is BS based on? Source please.

A momentum model which follows the real collapse most of the way down is real physics, and you have the fantasy special not sourced "minute physics" made up by who?

The WTC was 95 percent air.

What is the height of 110 floors with 4 inch floors? math? Wait till you stack the metal pans, and add the joists smashed with E=mgh released...

Able to quote physics, not able to apply to the real world - 911 truth.
 
beachnut said:
A collapse of the WTC takes ~13 seconds based on momentum alone. And the actual collapse took longer.

Your minutes is BS based on? Source please.

A momentum model which follows the real collapse most of the way down is real physics, and you have the fantasy special not sourced "minute physics" made up by who?

The WTC was 95 percent air.

What is the height of 110 floors with 4 inch floors? math? Wait till you stack the metal pans, and add the joists smashed with E=mgh released...

Able to quote physics, not able to apply to the real world - 911 truth.
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Easy to throw in "BS" and "fantasy" but you never really checked.
Btw.. The core was far from 95% air.. Did you forget about that piece of the structure? The official story that you seem to follow has nice graphics of the floors collapsing.... and forgets the core that would still be standing 400 m in the air...

Your 13 seconds is close to reality... It would be free fall with air resistance.. So, you agree with me.. 9-13 seconds is free fall..
Now,we are getting somewhere...
 
cloggy said:
The buildings were standing after impact. As designed.
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Okee doke.
People use kerosine to cook their food in aluminum pots..
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Relevance?

Collapse cannot happen at free fall speed.
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Agreed. And these buildings were no different, which is why they didn't collapse at free fall speeds.

Is being lied to more comfortable that looking for answers..??
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You're the one being lied to.

Ou have every right to doubt the scenarios that people come up with. so do I.
But to accept a scenario that makes no sense.....
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Speaking of scenarios, got one that explains the entire day?

It wasn't just NYC.
 
AJM8125 said:
:nope:

If you got that notion from my OP then it isn't any wonder 9/11 is busting your ass.
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if you knew... Why get upset..
Many people do not know... Doesn't that strike you as odd. Isn't it good that people get informed...
"It's easier to lie to people than to tell them they are being lied to.."
 
cloggy said:
"...way below free fall.."
What number do you come up with...?? And how?
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From collapse initiation to the final collapse of the the core, which is commonly referred to as the spires:

South Tower 34 seconds

North Tower 26 seconds.

Say, welcome to the site!
 
cloggy said:
if you knew... Why get upset..
Many people do not know... Doesn't that strike you as odd. Isn't it good that people get informed...
"It's easier to lie to people than to tell them they are being lied to.."
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Working under the false assumption that "most people didn't know" - I'd say most people didn't care. Not one person died as a result of the collapse of WTC 7.

In the grand scheme of 9/11, it simply didn't matter. Which is why "most people" - Including you people - don't know or acknowledge more than 3 buildings collapsed.
 
cloggy said:
"...way below free fall.."
What number do you come up with...?? And how?
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Called physics for the model, but in real life I use a stopwatch. Way below free fall. I ran the mile in HS at 4:53, 4:57 and slower. To say I was at world class speed would be nonsense - the same with the silly delusion "collapse at free-fall speed".
 
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