What's your theory about 9/11?

[paloalto]

Future telling; CIA is able to tell the future. Cool

The CIA had been specially set up to prevent the next Pearl Harbor attack in this case an attack by al Qaeda terrorists. Why did the CIA officially call it the UBL station, another name for Alec Station, the CIA station that was tasked with investigating bin Laden. The FBI specifically argued each year to Congress when they wanted more money was this money was to prevent a major terrorist attack inside of the US.

Their job was, in case you are unaware or too slow to realize, "predicting the future".

HELLO!, HELLO! HELLO!

Is anyone home?

And from the information I had listed right in this forum both the CIA and FBI HQ had more than enough information to have prevented the attacks on 9/11. As I had stated in an earlier post, all they had to do was not shut down the FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi when both the CIA and FBI HQ’s at this time knew these al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US, and even knew these al Qaeda terrorists were in the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that would kill thousands of Americans.

The FBI HQ also blocked the investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui when FBI Agent Harry Samit wanted to get a FISA search warrant for Moussaoui’s possessions, with no legitimate reason for doing this. His duffle bag had a receipt for $14,000 from Ramzi bin Al-Sheibh in Hamburg that Moussaoui used to pay for his flight training on a B747 when he did not even have a private pilot’s license. Ramzi bin Al-Sheibh’s room mates were Mohamed Atta, Marwin al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah, three of the pilots on 9/11.

At the time FBI HQ blocked Samit from getting a FISA search warrant for Moussaoui's duffle bag this information was known by both George Tenet and Tom Wilshire, two people who knew about this huge al Qaeda terrorist attack just about to take place inside of the US. Both George Tenet and Tom Wilshire had more than enough information to have prevented the attacks on 9/11.

And the next big question is why did the Joint Inquiry Committee of the House and Senate and the 9/11 Commission cover this up when both investigations had access to the exact same information I have just listed and listed in my prior posts

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[HighRiser]

paloalto, these are unsupported assertions. Your interpretations of the source material are unrealistic. Your expectations of the intelligence community are wildly ambitious.

 

[Mark F]

This is the same CIA that didn't see the fall of the Berlin Wall or the collapse of the Soviet Union coming.

 

[Clayton Moore]

paloalto, these are unsupported assertions. Your interpretations of the source material are unrealistic. Your expectations of the intelligence community are wildly ambitious.

This is the same CIA that didn't see the fall of the Berlin Wall or the collapse of the Soviet Union coming.

The people of the US Intelligence community are the best and brightest of the best and brightest.

In 2001 the people of the US Intelligence community were the best and brightest of the best and brightest.


HNR proves the alleged slip ups and oversights were nothing of the kind.

 

[cjnewson88]

The people of the US Intelligence community are the best and brightest of the best and brightest.

Got something to support this assertion? Nope, didn't think so.

 

[dafydd]

The people of the US Intelligence community are the best and brightest of the best and brightest.

Brighter than 98.7 people?

 

[carlitos]

HNR?

 

[paloalto]

paloalto, these are unsupported assertions. Your interpretations of the source material are unrealistic. Your expectations of the intelligence community are wildly ambitious.

Your opinion is unsupported. I have already listed my assertions and the support for my assertions, information taken right from the official US government documents where this information came from. My interpretations are interpretations any reasonable person would make based on the facts I listed.

My expectations are expectations that are totally realistic. Even the heads of the 9/11 Commission, Kean and Hamilton, finally said the attacks on 9/11 could have been prevented.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

The people of the US Intelligence community are the best and brightest of the best and brightest.

In 2001 the people of the US Intelligence community were the best and brightest of the best and brightest.


HNR proves the alleged slip ups and oversights were nothing of the kind.

In 2001 the US intelligence agencies had drifted away from humint and had increasingly been relying on sigint and informants. The "best and brightest" were hampered by 15 years of "Look! A shiney!" administrative and budgetary decisions. The 9/11 attacks are explicitly and specifically discussed as a failure of this model of intel gathering.

 

[Clayton Moore]

HNR?

Heads never rolled.

 

[Clayton Moore]

The CIA had been specially set up to prevent the next Pearl Harbor attack in this case an attack by al Qaeda terrorists. Why did the CIA officially call it the UBL station, another name for Alec Station, the CIA station that was tasked with investigating bin Laden. The FBI specifically argued each year to Congress when they wanted more money was this money was to prevent a major terrorist attack inside of the US.

Their job was, in case you are unaware or too slow to realize, "predicting the future".

HELLO!, HELLO! HELLO!

Is anyone home?

And from the information I had listed right in this forum both the CIA and FBI HQ had more than enough information to have prevented the attacks on 9/11. As I had stated in an earlier post, all they had to do was not shut down the FBI Agent Steve Bongardt’s criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi when both the CIA and FBI HQ’s at this time knew these al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US, and even knew these al Qaeda terrorists were in the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that would kill thousands of Americans.

The FBI HQ also blocked the investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui when FBI Agent Harry Samit wanted to get a FISA search warrant for Moussaoui’s possessions, with no legitimate reason for doing this. His duffle bag had a receipt for $14,000 from Ramzi bin Al-Sheibh in Hamburg that Moussaoui used to pay for his flight training on a B747 when he did not even have a private pilot’s license. Ramzi bin Al-Sheibh’s room mates were Mohamed Atta, Marwin al-Shehhi, and Ziad Jarrah, three of the pilots on 9/11.

At the time FBI HQ blocked Samit from getting a FISA search warrant for Moussaoui's duffle bag this information was known by both George Tenet and Tom Wilshire, two people who knew about this huge al Qaeda terrorist attack just about to take place inside of the US. Both George Tenet and Tom Wilshire had more than enough information to have prevented the attacks on 9/11.

And the next big question is why did the Joint Inquiry Committee of the House and Senate and the 9/11 Commission cover this up when both investigations had access to the exact same information I have just listed and listed in my prior posts

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It's cool. We didn't have any idea the USSR was in a shambles and ready to collapse either.

 

[paloalto]

In 2001 the US intelligence agencies had drifted away from humint and had increasingly been relying on sigint and informants. The "best and brightest" were hampered by 15 years of "Look! A shiney!" administrative and budgetary decisions. The 9/11 attacks are explicitly and specifically discussed as a failure of this model of intel gathering.

This is total boloney.

The CIA and FBI HQ had more than enough information to have prevented the attacks on 9/11. The CIA had known about Mihdhar and Hazmi since January 2000, knew that both had visas for the US, and kept this information secret from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing, even though the CIA had directly connected both Mihdhar and Hazmi to the planning of the Cole bombing with the mastermind of this attack, Walid bin Attash, on January 4, 2001.

Any suggestion that "The 9/11 attacks are explicitly and specifically discussed as a failure of this model of intel gathering.”, is total and complete horse manure. The attacks of 9/11 were deliberately allowed to take place by the CIA using agents and mangers that the CIA had corrupted at FBI HQ. This is the information that comes directly out of the DOJ IG report when this information is combined with the information in the defense exhibits entered into the Moussaoui trial, and the information in Lawrence Wright's article, "The FBI agent who almost stopped the attacks on 9/11", Ken Silverstein's Harpers article "Meet the new Bagdad CIA Chief", Richard Blee, and the 9/11 Commission report.

 

[LSSBB]

This is total boloney.

The CIA and FBI HQ had more than enough information to have prevented the attacks on 9/11. The CIA had known about Mihdhar and Hazmi since January 2000, knew that both had visas for the US, and kept this information secret from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing, even though the CIA had directly connected both Mihdhar and Hazmi to the planning of the Cole bombing with the mastermind of this attack, Walid bin Attash, on January 4, 2001.

Any suggestion that "The 9/11 attacks are explicitly and specifically discussed as a failure of this model of intel gathering.”, is total and complete horse manure. The attacks of 9/11 were deliberately allowed to take place by the CIA using agents and mangers that the CIA had corrupted at FBI HQ. This is the information that comes directly out of the DOJ IG report when this information is combined with the information in the defense exhibits entered into the Moussaoui trial, and the information in Lawrence Wright's article, "The FBI agent who almost stopped the attacks on 9/11", Ken Silverstein's Harpers article "Meet the new Bagdad CIA Chief", Richard Blee, and the 9/11 Commission report.

It's not a question of quantity of data, it's the ability to process, share and make sense of it, plus an effective apparatus to act on the data. The bloated US executive branch isn't built to play that way.

 

[paloalto]

It's not a question of quantity of data, it's the ability to process, share and make sense of it, plus an effective apparatus to act on the data. The bloated US executive branch isn't built to play that way.

I respectively disagree with your assertions that the CIA and FBI HQ had no ability to process, share and make sense of (the data prior to 9/11) and had no effective apparatus to act on the data.

The CIA and FBI HQ knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22, 2001. This information went to Margaret Gillespie at the CIA in the Bin Laden CIA unit, to Tom Wilshire Deputy Chief of the ITOS unit at FBI HQ and Dina Corsi FBI Agent working for Wilshire in the FBI bin Laden unit at FBI HQ.

They all knew as did Richard Blee, Chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit and Gillespie boss, Cofer Black Head of the CIA unit at the CIA over the bin Laden unit, and George Tenet, Director of the CIA, when Mihdhar and Hazmi were discovered inside of the US that these al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US in order to take part in the massive al Qaeda terrorist attack they had been warned about since April 2001. The CIA also knew that this attack was directed by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and would involve the hijacking of numerous large US airliners and these would be flown into the World Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon and the US Capitol building. The CIA had KSM plans for this attacks since 1995.

Any reasonable person could have put the above information together.

After getting this information FBI HQ shut down the only effective FBI investigating team that could have stopped this attack in time, the team of the FBI investigators on the Cole bombing, who wanted to investigate these terrorists before they had time to carry out the huge attack these investigators were sure would take place.

These attacks took place not because of a “lack of ability to process, share and make sense of the data that CIA and FBI HQ had” along with no “effective apparatus to act on the data” but because of a wide spread and massive criminal conspiracy at the CIA and FBI HQ to hide this data from the Cole bombing investigators. When these FBI Cole bombing investigators found out about Mihdhar and Hazmi, these two agencies shut down their investigation of these two al Qaeda terrorists when they knew this would result in allowing these al Qaeda terrorists to murder thousands of Americans.

 

[carlitos]

Heads never rolled.

The first and only time this acronym meaning this phrase appears on the internet is right there.


You might want to look into that.

Speech and mannerisms are often odd, and individuals with schizotypal personality disorder may attach unusual meanings to words, and their speech may be vague or abstract.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Clayton is also wrong, because in fact heads DID roll over the 9/11 intelligence failures. But quietly, and mostly ignored by the public because media attention is generally concentrated on leadership, not the functional middle-management layer of bureaucracy.

There was a period in 2004 or so where the entire existence of the CIA itself was in question. CIA director Tenet was probably over-vilified for 9/11, and perhaps even thrown under the bus by the Cheney/Rumsfeld administration over it, despite his record of attempting for several years to put a plan in place to deal with al Qaeda.

 

[HighRiser]

Your opinion is unsupported.

Of course my opinion is just that; My opinion. The difference is that I know my own limitations, and don't spout nonsensical conspiracy theory paranoid delusions.

I have already listed my assertions and the support for my assertions, information taken right from the official US government documents where this information came from.

Yes. I think the trouble is that your sources don't support your fantastic premises.

My interpretations are interpretations any reasonable person would make based on the facts I listed.

Your definition of "reasonable person" is evidently not the one that reasonable persons ascribe to.

My expectations are expectations that are totally realistic. Even the heads of the 9/11 Commission, Kean and Hamilton, finally said the attacks on 9/11 could have been prevented.

Ok... Your definition of "realistic expectations" suffers the same problem.

 

[LSSBB]

I respectively disagree with your assertions that the CIA and FBI HQ had no ability to process, share and make sense of (the data prior to 9/11) and had no effective apparatus to act on the data.

The CIA and FBI HQ knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22, 2001. This information went to Margaret Gillespie at the CIA in the Bin Laden CIA unit, to Tom Wilshire Deputy Chief of the ITOS unit at FBI HQ and Dina Corsi FBI Agent working for Wilshire in the FBI bin Laden unit at FBI HQ.

They all knew as did Richard Blee, Chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit and Gillespie boss, Cofer Black Head of the CIA unit at the CIA over the bin Laden unit, and George Tenet, Director of the CIA, when Mihdhar and Hazmi were discovered inside of the US that these al Qaeda terrorists were inside of the US in order to take part in the massive al Qaeda terrorist attack they had been warned about since April 2001. The CIA also knew that this attack was directed by Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and would involve the hijacking of numerous large US airliners and these would be flown into the World Trade Center Towers, the Pentagon and the US Capitol building. The CIA had KSM plans for this attacks since 1995.

Any reasonable person could have put the above information together.

After getting this information FBI HQ shut down the only effective FBI investigating team that could have stopped this attack in time, the team of the FBI investigators on the Cole bombing, who wanted to investigate these terrorists before they had time to carry out the huge attack these investigators were sure would take place.

These attacks took place not because of a “lack of ability to process, share and make sense of the data that CIA and FBI HQ had” along with no “effective apparatus to act on the data” but because of a wide spread and massive criminal conspiracy at the CIA and FBI HQ to hide this data from the Cole bombing investigators. When these FBI Cole bombing investigators found out about Mihdhar and Hazmi, these two agencies shut down their investigation of these two al Qaeda terrorists when they knew this would result in allowing these al Qaeda terrorists to murder thousands of Americans.

Did I say NO ability?

 

[paloalto]

Did I say NO ability?

Yes you did, here is your quote:

It's not a question of quantity of data, it's the ability to process, share and make sense of it, plus an effective apparatus to act on the data. The bloated US executive branch isn't built to play that way.

 

[The Platypus]

The people of the US Intelligence community are the best and brightest of the best and brightest.

In 2001 the people of the US Intelligence community were the best and brightest of the best and brightest.

Are you freakin serious?!?! Where did you get that silly idea from?

You put far more faith in US Intelligence, then I ever could... And to think, these 9/11 cult kiddies call everyone else the gov't loving sheeple. Wow.