What's your theory about 9/11?

I think you are presenting opinion as fact, and this is why you aren't citing sources?

I have sited these sources in all of my pervious posts. The source for this meeting was Bob Woodward’s book "State of Denial" published in November 2006. At first Condoleezza Rice denied there had been a meeting, then a week later said yes indeed there had been a meeting but the information was just the "same old" , "same old".

SAY WHAT! Tenet urges and urgent meeting with President Bush’s top national security advisor and says a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place inside of the US and Rice says this is just the same old information.

I had a chat with Woodward when he came to San Francisco to discuss this book in front of the Common Wealth Club. I asked him why when he describe George Tenet, Cofer Black, and Richard Blee, as heroes for requesting this meeting at the White House with Rice, Hadley and Clarke, why did these three top level CIA managers then deny Tom Wilshire just 3 days later, his request to pass the Kuala Lumpur information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, especially since Wilshire had already indicated to these same CIA managers that the people at Kuala Lumpur, Khalid al-Mihdhar, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Salem al-Hazmi had been identified by Wilshire as connected to the warning of a huge al Qaeda terrorists attack inside of the US that the CIA was aware of.

Woodward was stumped at first but then came back with an interesting reply. His answer was every time you look at this you can peel back yet another layer of the onion.
 
So when asked what you were doing to pursue justice, your lengthy response could have been summed up as "nothing"?


History may give them justice. Who knows? Unfortunately, they will never get any justice from the American government.

What do you want me to do, take on the whole US government?

I done my part, in one massive and horrendous effort, by exposing all of the crimes that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.
 
paloalto,
Your assertions of what the intelligence community knew and when they knew it don't lead me to believe that intelligence had any reason to believe that the hijackings were going to take place on 9/11. Nor that intelligence should have realized that hijacked airliners were going to be used as anti-personell / anti-material weapons. Using airliners as AP/AM was the key piece of intelligence that the terrorist organization was able to keep obscured and was the reason the plot was successful.
MY GOD!

The CIA was told according to the 9/11 Commission report that KSM was behind this attacks inside of the US, and even had his plan called the Bojinka plot to hijack numerous large commercial aircraft and fly these into the WTC towers, the Pentagon and the Capitol building.

What the hell else did you need for the CHRISTS SAKE.

The FBI HQ had been told by Minneapolis FBI agents that Moussaoui was learning to fly a large commercial aircraft so he could crash it into one of the WTC Towers.

AGAIN! What the hell else did you need for the CHRISTS SAKE.
 
History may give them justice. Who knows? Unfortunately, they will never get any justice from the American government.

What do you want me to do, take on the whole US government?

I done my part, in one massive and horrendous effort, by exposing all of the crimes that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place.

Your effort has not changed my mind about my position, as stated in post #49.
 
MY GOD!

The CIA was told according to the 9/11 Commission report that KSM was behind this attacks inside of the US, and even had his plan called the Bojinka plot to hijack numerous large commercial aircraft and fly these into the WTC towers, the Pentagon and the Capitol building.

What the hell else did you need for the CHRISTS SAKE.

The FBI HQ had been told by Minneapolis FBI agents that Moussaoui was learning to fly a large commercial aircraft so he could crash it into one of the WTC Towers.

AGAIN! What the hell else did you need for the CHRISTS SAKE.

Cite your christing source, for chrissake.
 
You have presented this evidence to your local DA?

What did he/she say?

If you have not, why?
Don’t you think that the local DA, actually the local US Attorney already has this information and has had it for years.

GIVE ME A BREAK!

This information is readly found in official US government documents, documents publically available to anyone with an internet connection.

LIKE I SAID. GIVE ME A BREAK!
 
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Don’t you think that the local DA, actually the local US Attorney already has this information and has had it for years.

GIVE ME A BREAK!

This information is readly found in official US government documents, documents publically available to anyone with an internet connection.

LIKE I SAID. GIVE ME A BREAK!
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If you feel the need to take a break; Take one.
 
QUOTE=HighRiser;9358171]Cite your christing source, for chrissake.[/QUOTE]

Look up the 9/11 Commission report and search for June 12, 2001, the reference for the fact that KSM was directing this attack is listed on page 276.

The fact that Moussaoui wanted to fly a large US aircraft into one of the World Trade Center towers is listed on the DOJ IG report on page 154.
 
Look up the 9/11 Commission report and search for June 12, 2001, the reference for the fact that KSM was directing this attack is listed on page 276.

The fact that Moussaoui wanted to fly a large US aircraft into one of the World Trade Center towers is listed on the DOJ IG report on page 154.

I just re-read 270-276 of the report. KSM was not known to US intelligence at that time to be an associate of OBL or alQ. What am I missing?

Looking at your next cite now.

ETA:
The statement, by Gary, to Martin, is contended by Martin. He said - she said isn't going anywhere near to changing my mind.
 
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I just re-read 270-276 of the report. KSM was not known to US intelligence at that time to be an associate of OBL or alQ. What am I missing?

Looking at your next cite now.

ETA:
The statement, by Gary, to Martin, is contended by Martin. He said - she said isn't going anywhere near to changing my mind.


KSM was known to have helped finance the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. This was why the FBI had a $2,000,000 reward on his head. The CIA had photographed him at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting, knew about this reward and then let him walk away to carry out the attacks on 9/11, an attack that was a repeat of the attack in 1993. Abdel-Rahman who was the mastermind of the 1993 attack on the WTC towers was knwon to be the spiritual leader of the al Qaeda terrorist organization.

When this attack took place the FBI and CIA knew shortly after this attack that this huge bomb had been planted by Ramzi Yousef, KSM's uncle and this plot had been financed partly by KSM.

When an apartment in Manila caught fire in 1995, Philippine intelligence quickly found out that Ramzi Yousef and KSM we behind the making of bombs at this apartment. They also found on Abdul Murad’s computer, a plan by KSM to hijack 4 large US airliners and crash these into the WTC towers, the Pentagon and the US Capitol building.

Ramzi Yousef and KSM both fled to Pakistan because the police were looking for them after this apartment fire. Yourself was arrested at a al Qaeda safe house in 1995, clearly connecting him to al Qaeda although it was not until 3 years later in February 1999 that KSM pledged Bayat or obedience to UBL.

When the CIA was told on June 12, 2001 that KSM was directing a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack in the US, they were told that KSM was recruiting al Qaeda terrorists to be sent into the US to meet up with other al Qaeda terrorists already in the US Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, in order to carry out this huge attack the CIA had been told would kill many Americans. At this time they already had his Bojinka plot.

The capture of his nephew, Ramzi Yousef at a al Qaeda safe house, the fact that the CIA knew a huge al Qaeda attack was just about to take place inside of the US and al Qaeda was run by bin Laden and that this attack was being directed by KSM, the fact that two of the people that KSM was sending recruits to meet up with in the US were in fact known to be long time al Qaeda terrorists, Mihdhar and Hazmi, would have been enough to connect KSM to al Qaeda.

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The statement, by Gary, to Martin, is contended by Martin. He said - she said isn't going anywhere near to changing my mind”

This is the statement by Micheal Maltbie to FBI Agent Harry Samit’s boss, after being told that Moussaoui wanted to learn how to fly a B747 in order to crash it into the World Trade Center, was not going to change his mind has never been explained.

FBI criminal agents in Minneapolis had investigated a report by Pan Am Aviation instructors who thought one of their students was terrorist. One student was attempting to learn how to fly a B747 without even having a private pilot’s license. Minneapolis FBI agents investigated and found that Moussaoui had significant amounts money in his bank account which he could not explain, and refused to say how it had been obtained and was spending thousands of dollars per hour on flight lessons on a B747 flight simulator for no apparent reason. He told his simulation flight instructors that he wanted to learn how to fly a B747 from London to New York City. French intelligence connected Moussaoui directly to Khattab, a radical Islamist terrorist closely connected to bin Laden.

Regardless of what FBI Agent Samit or Zebley did they could not obtain a FISA warrant for Moussaoui’s duffle bag. In this duffle bag was a receipt from Western Union from Ramzi bin Al-Shibh in Hamburg for $14,000. Bin al-Sheibh was the room mate of Mohammed Atta, Mawin al-Shiehi, and Ziad Jarrah, three of the pilots on 9/11. Minneapolis FBI was not able to get this search warrant even after two planes hit the World Trade Center Towers. Maltbie and Frasca said this was just a coincidence. It was only after a plane hit the Pentagon that Minneapolis FBI was able to get this search warrant and found the receipt from bin Al-Sheibh, and connected Moussaoui directly to the plot on 9/11. Prior to getting this search warrant Minneapolis FBI was so shocked for not being allowed to even apply to the FISA court for a search warrant that they joked that FBI HQ must have had a person working for bin Laden inside this organization.

One reason for not allowing Minneapolis FBI to apply for a search warrant was it was claimed that Minneapolis FBI had not connected Moussaoui to a recognized terrorist organization, they had connect Moussaoui to Khattab but Khattab was not a recognized terrorist. What is bizarre is that Rod Middleton, Corsi’s boss wrote a report in April 2001 that described threats to the US coming from a terrorist known as Khattab, described as a dangerous terrorist very close to bin Laden. The FISA court said they had no concept of recognized terrorist organization, they stated that any terrorist organization would do just fine for this court. This report went to every manager in this unit of the FBI including Frasca and Maltbie.

But what is even more horrific is that on August 24, 2001, Maltbie was in email contact with Tom Wilshire, the very person who at that time was actively sabotaging Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by keeping secret the fact that these terrorists had just been found inside of the US. It was already known that these terrorists were going to take part in a plan for a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans. Wilshire is told that the investigation of Moussaoui was going nowhere, the same information given to George Tenet on August 23, 2001.

Wilshire now knows that while he is criminally and illegally blocking the criminal investigation of Midhar and Hazmi, other people were blocking the investigation of Moussaoui. Both Wilshire and CIA Director George Tenet have all of the information that these two investigations are being blocked by FBI HQ, know that a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack is just about to take place inside of the US, and know if these investigations continue to be blocked, thousands of Americans will be shortly be murdered in this upcoming al Qaeda terrorist attack. And yet neither one do anything to alert anyone to stop this attack.

Can anyone explain this?
 
... Can anyone explain this?
It is SPAM.

You are off topic.

Two explanations. Do you need more?

Which one did you vote for? 19 terrorists did 911, as you know, and data collected by you supports that. Your conclusions support a mind reading effort, that failed.
 
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Paloalto,
I have information on last weeks lottery numbers if your interested. You could write a book on how you could have won the lottery.
 
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Since I have already posted the actual official US government documents that proved my arguments ......... I would to have to say that my arguments are at this point much stronger.......

You have posted available information that suggests this and that and linked it all with declarative statements.

I will say that your lihop has a better chance of being correct than any of the mihop scenarios put forth but it is still only at the level of personal opinion.
 
You proved that your snaky replies are nothing but total and complete nonsense, and because of your total lack of knowledge are based on nothing but your sadly incoherent and uniformed opinion of why the attacks on 9/11 had been allowed to take place, by officials inside of the US government.

Since I have already posted the actual official US government documents that proved my arguments and you have posted nothing but your uniformed opinion, I would to have to say that my arguments are at this point much stronger and more complete than yours.

No.
 
Unlike Jebus, paloalto's sources exist, I looked at them. They just don't support his premises. :)

Please list the premises that that you claim my documents do not support and list your alternative explanations for the actions at the CIA and FBI HQ, when the CIA and the FBI HQ ITOS unit, shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt's criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.

At the time they did this, both the CIA and FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack was just about to take place inside the US, knew that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US in order to take part in this attack and even knew shutting down this investigation would allow the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out this horrific attack.

You need to explain why the FBI HQ and the CIA allowed this investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi to be shut down when both agencies knew the attack this investigation could have prevented would result in the murder of thousands of Americans. EXPLAN THIS!
 
Please list the premises that that you claim my documents do not support and list your alternative explanations for the actions at the CIA and FBI HQ, when the CIA and the FBI HQ ITOS unit, shut down FBI Agent Steve Bongardt's criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.

At the time they did this, both the CIA and FBI HQ knew a huge al Qaeda terrorist attack was just about to take place inside the US, knew that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US in order to take part in this attack and even knew shutting down this investigation would allow the al Qaeda terrorists to carry out this horrific attack.

You need to explain why the FBI HQ and the CIA allowed this investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi to be shut down when both agencies knew the attack this investigation could have prevented would result in the murder of thousands of Americans. EXPLAN THIS!

A summary;

Your premise is that each if these agencies is a corporeal entity with hive knowledge ala Star Trek's Borg. This is unrealistic to begin with.
You then surmise that each of these entities share all gathered knowledge. Another unrealistic premise.
Finally, you assume that foreknowledge of a large attack would have allowed interception of that attack. Another unrealistic premise.
 
A summary;

Your premise is that each if these agencies is a corporeal entity with hive knowledge ala Star Trek's Borg. This is unrealistic to begin with.
You then surmise that each of these entities share all gathered knowledge. Another unrealistic premise.
Finally, you assume that foreknowledge of a large attack would have allowed interception of that attack. Another unrealistic premise.

I did not make any of these premises. How did you come to these conclusions?


You are assuming premises that I made based on facts not entered into evidence. I have listed the facts I had, the sources for these facts and the conclusions I was able to make based these facts. None of the conclusion have any relation to the premises you claim I made. But your reply makes clear that you know virtual nothing why the attacks on 9/11 were deliberately allowed to take place by the CIA and FBI HQ.

The CIA and FBI HQ knew about this huge attack ahead of time, and even knew that Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were inside of the US in order to take part in this huge attack, and then FBI HQ, under orders from the CIA, shut down the criminal investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi by FBI agents on the Cole bombing investigation when both the CIA and FBI HQ knew this would allow this huge al Qaeda terrorist attack to take place and that it would result in the murder thousands of Americans. The CIA even knew specifically that thousands of people would be killed in the World Trade Center Towers because of this attack, information they apparently did not share with FBI HQ.

These are my premises, not the premises that you incorrectly claim that I made.
 
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