Subconsciousness and Humanity.

[dlorde]

Do you think that the consciousness is like a puppet in relation to Subconsciousness?

No, not at all. Consciousness is the reflective or reflexive awareness generated when a number of relatively high-level brain processes in various areas across the brain are integrated or coordinated. Subconsciousness is everything else (of brain activity).

Can you give some examples please.

Not of consciousness as a 'puppet', because it isn't. What gives you such strange ideas?

I would say... <snipped for coherence>

Just saying it doesn't give it weight or value.

 

[Navigator]

1: No, not at all. Consciousness is the reflective or reflexive awareness generated when a number of relatively high-level brain processes in various areas across the brain are integrated or coordinated. Subconsciousness is everything else (of brain activity).

2: Not of consciousness as a 'puppet', because it isn't. What gives you such strange ideas?


3: Just saying it doesn't give it weight or value.

1: And the sum total of those activities can be seen as evidence in Human Existence, Historical, now, and future heading. Nothing hard to understand in that.

2: Nothing give me that idea - just clarifying that this is not what was being suggested. We can agree that there is no puppetry involved and that Consciousness is a free agent in that regard, which is what I was suggesting when I said there are preferred paths but Subconsciousness cannot or will not interfere with the personal identity and choice of the Individual Consciousness.

3: Ditto. But what does give it weight is the evidence we can see in Human history, the now, and the future because it is there to be seen.

Subconsciousness has been involved in that process all the way through, and there is specific agenda aligned with preserving and building upon what is and has been available in the way of material and circumstance.

Simply a matter of connecting those dots really.

 

[Loss Leader]

Subconsciousness has been involved in that process all the way through, and there is specific agenda aligned with preserving and building upon what is and has been available in the way of material and circumstance.

Simply a matter of connecting those dots really.

What dots did you connect to decide that the sum total of human brains have a specific agenda?

 

[Navigator]

What dots did you connect to decide that the sum total of human brains have a specific agenda?

Human History - The Present, these things show clearly where the focus to the future is headed, based upon what is actually being built - to, at the very least -attempt making a go at getting there.

Science is at the forefront of this push toward that particular future, which involves creating machinery which can allow Subconsciousness to extend itself beyond the boarders of this Planet, or even the solar system.

Is it there yet?

No...it is heading there...with no foreseeable obstacles in the way. One major obstacle is the human form itself, because it is really not able to survive the rigors of interstellar space and possibly may never be able to...certainly not without the aid of machinery.

Machinery comes from Natural resource + Subconscious intelligence + Conscious support + the Human Form which is able to actually create the machinery...without which of course, the brain alone cannot accomplish.

Those are the main 'dots'.

 

[Loss Leader]

Science is at the forefront of this push toward that particular future, which involves creating machinery which can allow Subconsciousness to extend itself beyond the boarders of this Planet, or even the solar system.

So, the last eighty or so years - comprising the entire history of rocketry and electronic computing - are the data points for the entire 5,000 year history of human civilization, the 350,000 year history of homo sapiens and the 4,000,000 year history of hominids.

You've surveyed either 1.6%, 0.23%, or 0.002% of human history and connected the dots.

Fantastic.

 

[Navigator]

So, the last eighty or so years - comprising the entire history of rocketry and electronic computing - are the data points for the entire 5,000 year history of human civilization, the 350,000 year history of homo sapiens and the 4,000,000 year history of hominids.

You've surveyed either 1.6%, 0.23%, or 0.002% of human history and connected the dots.

Fantastic.

It is not that hard to do. The evidence in congregate clearly shows where things are heading and the purpose propelling that heading.

No point in denying that at all.

 

[Arcade22]

It is not that hard to do. The evidence in congregate clearly shows where things are heading and the purpose propelling that heading.

No point in denying that at all.

You wouldn't mind sharing your evidence of this purpose now?

 

[AdMan]

...it is heading there...with no foreseeable obstacles in the way. One major obstacle is...

Perhaps you haven't thought this through very well.

 

[Navigator]

You wouldn't mind sharing your evidence of this purpose now?

You mean link you to all the relevant information such as robotics, the history of rocket development, prosthetic limb technological advancement, brain-computer interface etc...?

The information is freely available.

Or are you thinking of perhaps less excess-able information, such as ruling class family history (the prototype of corporation) , how information is passed onto the next generation securely, how knowledge is preserved and nurtured in spite of World war, disease, famine, natural disasters, mob mentality, religion, politics etc?

Are you asking how it is possible to see where Human Consciousness is heading, even with the ample evidence showing quite clearly?

 

[Navigator]

No...it is heading there...with no foreseeable obstacles in the way. One major obstacle is the human form itself, because it is really not able to survive the rigors of interstellar space and possibly may never be able to...certainly not without the aid of machinery.

Perhaps you haven't thought this through very well.

Really? Do explain please AdMan. What have I missed which would make my speculation redundant?

 

[Arcade22]

You mean link you to all the relevant information such as robotics, the history of rocket development, prosthetic limb technological advancement, brain-computer interface etc...?

The information is freely available.

Or are you thinking of perhaps less excess-able information, such as ruling class family history (the prototype of corporation) , how information is passed onto the next generation securely, how knowledge is preserved and nurtured in spite of World war, disease, famine, natural disasters, mob mentality, religion, politics etc?

Are you asking how it is possible to see where Human Consciousness is heading, even with the ample evidence showing quite clearly?

No i asked to see your evidence that there was a purpose. I'd love to see it and less of your new-age gibberish.

 

[Loss Leader]

Or are you thinking of perhaps less excess-able information, such as ruling class family history

They just had a baby.

how information is passed onto the next generation securely, how knowledge is preserved and nurtured in spite of World war, disease, famine, natural disasters, mob mentality, religion, politics etc?

Oh, I know this one! It's books! It's books, isn't it?

Are you asking how it is possible to see where Human Consciousness is heading, even with the ample evidence showing quite clearly?

I'd like to see some evidence that there's a plan.

 

[AdMan]

No...it is heading there...with no foreseeable obstacles in the way. One major obstacle is the human form itself, because it is really not able to survive the rigors of interstellar space and possibly may never be able to...certainly not without the aid of machinery.

Perhaps you haven't thought this through very well.

Really? Do explain please AdMan. What have I missed which would make my speculation redundant?

You're speculating that mankind will create machinery that will allow human consciousness (without an attached body) to extend beyond the solar system, with no obstacles foreseen, except for the fact that as far as we know consciousness cannot exist without a brain--and that's not an obstacle?

And yes, please stop posting in this mostly meaningless new-age twaddle you're using. It's not helping your case.

 

[Navigator]

No i asked to see your evidence that there was a purpose.

Are you suggesting that Scientific research and development towards that goal are not in every way first and foremost the design and impulse of Human Subconsciousness which has as it tools, Consciousness, and the Human Form with which to make this so?

Albeit that it is a long arduous process, bereft of many enlightened moments along the linear line of history, time is not really a here nor there, since there is plenty of that still to come.

You are perhaps suggesting that like the mindless thing which evolved the mindful thing, that there is no evidence that the mindful thing has the ability to see purpose in its existence and to extrapolate in order to make the event come to pass through its own Conscious efforts?

 

[Navigator]

I'd like to see some evidence that there's a plan.

You are perhaps suggesting that like the mindless thing which evolved the mindful thing, that there is no evidence that the mindful thing has the ability to see purpose in its existence and to extrapolate in order to make the event come to pass through its own Conscious efforts?

 

[tsig]

You mean link you to all the relevant information such as robotics, the history of rocket development, prosthetic limb technological advancement, brain-computer interface etc...?

The information is freely available.

Or are you thinking of perhaps less excess-able information, such as ruling class family history (the prototype of corporation) , how information is passed onto the next generation securely, how knowledge is preserved and nurtured in spite of World war, disease, famine, natural disasters, mob mentality, religion, politics etc?

Are you asking how it is possible to see where Human Consciousness is heading, even with the ample evidence showing quite clearly?

Are you referring to a Singularity type event?

The technological singularity is the theoretical emergence of superintelligence through technological means.[1] Since it is believed that the capabilities of such intelligence would be difficult for an unaided human mind to comprehend, the technological singularity is often seen as an occurrence, akin to a singularity, beyond which events cannot be predicted, yet many have made educated guesses about what will follow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

 

[Navigator]

You're speculating that mankind will create machinery that will allow human consciousness (without an attached body) to extend beyond the solar system, with no obstacles foreseen, except for the fact that as far as we know consciousness cannot exist without a brain--and that's not an obstacle?

Yes I am. 'As far as we know' is being investigated to find possibly ways around this obstacle, including understanding Consciousness, the possibility of creating Artificial Intelligence, how brains and machines might be merged etc, as well as preparing for every other kind of indirect obstacle such as natural disasters and those other I mentioned already.

The whole reason being, to preserve and nurture the mindful thing, AKA Consciousness.

It is the natural thing Consciousness does, and I speculate that every planet where such forms have evolved where this can be made possible, that this is what is going on.

I don't say it is an easy undertaking of course - the challenges are huge, but Consciousness is not going to sit upon the planet of its origins, and remain content with just that.

No, of course not.

What is not such an obstacle is base human nature, greed, war, selfishness, mindless argument, gender, race, religion, crime, sexual orientation, etc...those things are not serious obstacles.

 

[Arcade22]

Are you suggesting that Scientific research and development towards that goal are not in every way first and foremost the design and impulse of Human Subconsciousness which has as it tools, Consciousness, and the Human Form with which to make this so?

Albeit that it is a long arduous process, bereft of many enlightened moments along the linear line of history, time is not really a here nor there, since there is plenty of that still to come.

You are perhaps suggesting that like the mindless thing which evolved the mindful thing, that there is no evidence that the mindful thing has the ability to see purpose in its existence and to extrapolate in order to make the event come to pass through its own Conscious efforts?

I am suggesting that you should answer my question and show your evidence and not come with more gobbledygook and red-herrings.

 

[Navigator]

Are you referring to a Singularity type event?

The technological singularity is the theoretical emergence of superintelligence through technological means.[1] Since it is believed that the capabilities of such intelligence would be difficult for an unaided human mind to comprehend, the technological singularity is often seen as an occurrence, akin to a singularity, beyond which events cannot be predicted, yet many have made educated guesses about what will follow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

No – not particularly. I am looking more at the available evidence to do with technology in relation to Consciousness, and the Universe.

Singularity seems to suggest some unstoppable, uncontrollable rush toward an event which unfolds because of advancement of a ripple effect which increases exponentially until it reaches some event horizon. – (which is likely a similar process to how Consciousness came into being.)

What I am suggesting involves that technology even with its exponential shifts, but far more orderly and controlled.
There is no rush when it comes to transforming the matter and energy of the Universe into one unimaginably huge Conscious Machine.

That is the end game.

 

[Navigator]

I am suggesting that you should answer my question and show your evidence ...

I answered your question. The evidence is there. Your inability to see purpose in the evidence does not equate to my speculation being incorrect.

...and not come with more gobbledygook and red-herrings.

The gobbledygook and red-herrings are products of your own bias rather than actualities.