Nav;
I'm just going to drop out because I'm not really interested in frustrating anyone, and I appear to be just causing that for you at this time.
I wasn't interested in convincing you of any position; I was more just stating that the reasons that you were giving me weren't convincing as there are many more indications leaning towards a more physical explanation than non-physical explanation.
Also, the crop circle thing wasn't a very good test as crop circles have an implied dialogue, just like bigfoot foot prints, and we are on a forum that is for the purpose of logical debate where a person is requested to inherently not just give an answer, but also their contextual reason for their position.
If you want to know my ambitions and motives, I would just say to ask; I'm not really a person who hides what I'm about.
I do leave open the possibility of your ideas, but I don't see them as convincing as the practical physical explanation since the latter is verifiable, repeatable and quantifiable, while the former doesn't really have the ability for any of these things and the anecdotal reports are non-uniform in their detailed accounts.
I don't want to shut doors of communication or damage any relation with other members, so I'll just back off and let it rest where it is.
You are not frustrating me at all Jas. The subject of LAD is simply one that can go int circles and it seems pointless to argue for or against and I prefer the middle ground because that is where the evidence points.
The crop circle thing was adequate for the job of finding if your bias ran deeper than you claim. This forum (religion and philosophy) might be inherently (or habitually) about debate but there is little to debate about LAD when it comes to belief systems, which is really where practically all the debate in the world can be sourced – in belief systems.
So while I could (and did) take you on your word about your motives, it might be just a case that you are not so aware how strongly your beliefs motivate you, or even recognise that you have beliefs.
The anecdotal reports are non uniform because they are subject to subjective experience and interpretation and because it is apparent that there are a vast amount of different ‘universes’ but there is uniformity in enough of what is being shared to piece together what might be occurring.
As to crop formations, as usual there is a lot of debate about whether these are all made by humans with their ropes and boards and microwave equipment or something else is going on as well.
Wiki on crop formations seems to have a full time staff patrolling and editing so that anything which argues against these formations being created by anything other than humans is not included, which is a red flag in itself.
I remember in a forum years ago (which has since been deleted) I did an experiment with some others on that board where we ‘ordered up’ crop formations to see if what we requested would eventuate. We did this because we were looking into the possibility of Collective Consciousness and if this might have something to do with why crop formations were appearing.
We all agreed that you could tell the human made ones from the others – quiet obviously so.
Well anyway, it wasn’t long before we were getting hits, which piqued our curiosity.
Unfortunately it didn’t last too long because one member jumped into the thread and stated that she had found a formation which had an image of her and her little dog in it.
I and some others told her that we had a strict criteria as to what we ‘ordered’ and part of that was that the formation image had to be undeniably connectable and recognisable with what was ‘ordered’ rather than vague. The member took exception to this but we stood our ground and said that it needed to be able to withstand scientific scrutiny – then some other members who had not been participating entered the argument and said that they could ‘see’ her image and that of her dog too.
To give you some idea of what I am saying –
this is a picture of what someone claims shows ‘faeries’ in it –
The
persona who claims to recognize about 20 ‘Faeries’ in the image he/she links appears to be very serious about that but the picture shows nothing of the sort.
It was the same with the picture of the crop formation - no obvious image of either a woman or a dog.
She went as far as making a yellow outline to signify where in the picture her image and that of her dog were.
For contrast, I had ‘ordered’ a Snail Crop Circle and before many days had gone by
this formation appeared.
So it was these kinds of ‘hits’ that we were seeing and what could have been an interesting ongoing experiment was severely derailed when the member took exception to her ‘formation’ not been included in the evidence and then making demands that we should take what we were doing to ‘scientists’ and even claiming to have gone on scientific forums to tell them about what we were doing and including her own ‘evidence’ about the formation she believed had an image of her and her dog within it.
Then out of the blue arrived the
crop formation that I asked you about.
To those on the forum this was more evidence that we were on to something as I was well known by then in regard to my
Ouija interactions and they considered this to be evidence of conformation as to my sharing about those interactions.
I couldn’t argue – I didn’t see a need to, except to say that I – and none of us participating had ‘ordered’ such a formation.
Anyway, the forum member who made claims about her and her dogs image in a formation grabbed a hold of this and wouldn’t let go. It was my first major experience with the lengths individuals will go to, to disrupt and derail a thread and she succeeded.
We wanted to continue our experiment within our own circle and she wanted to ‘tell the world’ and set about doing just that and of course she was an embarrassment and hardly any nominated spokesperson – so we abandoned the whole thing.
If I was to ‘order’ a formation right now – it would be something like this:
Obviously it would be a lot more detailed and I know from experience that it would also include incidental information which serves as both confirmation and something else to ponder on – with even a hint of humor.
It also won’t be exact in that for example, the mirror may be a different shape...little subtle things like that.
In sharing this, I am not claiming that it will happen – but I would not be surprised if it did.
