Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Reality Check]

Clayton Moore: Do you think that autism is an autoimmune disease

Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populationshttp://lup.sagepub.com/content/21/2/223

So you now you cannot even read and have to resort to the silly tactic of highlighting random bits of text, Clayton Moore .
Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations

Immune challenges during early development, including those vaccine-induced, can lead to permanent detrimental alterations of the brain and immune function. Experimental evidence also shows that simultaneous administration of as little as two to three immune adjuvants can overcome genetic resistance to autoimmunity. In some developed countries, by the time children are 4 to 6 years old, they will have received a total of 126 antigenic compounds along with high amounts of aluminum (Al) adjuvants through routine vaccinations. According to the US Food and Drug Administration, safety assessments for vaccines have often not included appropriate toxicity studies because vaccines have not been viewed as inherently toxic. Taken together, these observations raise plausible concerns about the overall safety of current childhood vaccination programs. When assessing adjuvant toxicity in children, several key points ought to be considered: (i) infants and children should not be viewed as “small adults” with regard to toxicological risk as their unique physiology makes them much more vulnerable to toxic insults; (ii) in adult humans Al vaccine adjuvants have been linked to a variety of serious autoimmune and inflammatory conditions (i.e., “ASIA”), yet children are regularly exposed to much higher amounts of Al from vaccines than adults; (iii) it is often assumed that peripheral immune responses do not affect brain function. However, it is now clearly established that there is a bidirectional neuro-immune cross-talk that plays crucial roles in immunoregulation as well as brain function. In turn, perturbations of the neuro-immune axis have been demonstrated in many autoimmune diseases encompassed in “ASIA” and are thought to be driven by a hyperactive immune response; and (iv) the same components of the neuro-immune axis that play key roles in brain development and immune function are heavily targeted by Al adjuvants. In summary, research evidence shows that increasing concerns about current vaccination practices may indeed be warranted. Because children may be most at risk of vaccine-induced complications, a rigorous evaluation of the vaccine-related adverse health impacts in the pediatric population is urgently needed.

This abstract is really simple to understand

• It has been known for a long time that vaccines have harmful effects on a tiny percentage of those who take them.
• Those harmful effects include autoimmune deficiencies that can be permanent in young children.
• There is evidence that "simultaneous administration of as little as two to three immune adjuvants can overcome genetic resistance to autoimmunity".
• So a small percentage of a tiny percentage of vaccinated children could acquire permanent autoimmune deficiencies.
• This raises concerns that need further investigation.

What you seem unable tounderstand, Clayton Moore, is this paper does not mention autism.

Citing this paper implies another bit of ignorance (number 23 or 24?).
Clayton Moore: Do you think that autism is an autoimmune disease?
First asked 19 July 2013 - 0 days and counting.

 

[Reality Check]

You have to have a smidgen of basic common knowledge to discuss this.

Yes you do - you have to know that mirrors swap left and right sides.
So claiming the A is a mirror image of B means that A is not the same as B - it is a reversed image.

Thus my P.S. in

Clayton Moore: Start with what does "pretty much a mirror image" mean?

P.S. Clayton Moore, are you aware that mirrors reflect images. So you are actually asserting that mercury poisoning and lead poisoning produce the opposite symptoms to autism !

Of course we understand what your actual delusions probably are:
Clayton Moore: Does ASD have the same symptoms as mercury or lead poisoning?
First asked 18 July 2013 - 1 day and counting
Clayton Moore: do you have the fantasy that vaccines contain lead?
First asked 18 July 2013 - 1 day and counting.

And the delusion that "pretty much" is quantitative, i.e. allows two things to be objectively compared.

 

[Estellea]

Or they sell "bad product" to the third world. Look it up.

No you provide citations that "bad U.S." vaccines are being sold in third world countries. In other words, you look it up and report back.

Do you realize how money driven/morally bereft these drug/vaccine corporations are?

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19910611&slug=1288354

Dangerous Exports -- Drugs Banned In The U.S. Find Overseas Markets

By Christopher Scanlan

Knight-Ridder Newspapers

Last of three parts
I'm under a lot of pressure to conjure up this common knowledge out of thin air.

Wow Clay, with all of pharma's dirty business dealings a >20 year old article was all you could scare up? By the way dipyrone saved one of my cat's life. Shouldn't it be up to the individual coutries to determine what's available? Blame the corruption of the Mexican government.

And oh yea, what's this got to do with MMR causes autism?

Este

 

[jdc324]

So explain again how this conspiracy works for the parts of the world with subsidised or charity based vaccination programmes? Where is the profit?

Well, how it works is that due to poor monitoring and an inadequate vaccine programme you have 25,000 cases of measles and 500 deaths: http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-n...n-suffer-as-pakistan-battles-measles-epidemic and then to stop children suffering and dying because of measles you pass an amendment and get safe, effective and affordable vaccines from Unicef: http://dawn.com/news/1029251/kp-starts-getting-vaccines-directly-from-unicef

The profit, well, sort of disappears, because local authorities, governments and agencies like the WHO tend to care more about whether children are dying from preventable infectious diseases than whether Big Pharma are making enough money from vaccines.

Oh, sorry, you were asking Clayton and I've interrupted. So... Clayton. I'll shut up now and let you answer.

 

[Belz...]

Do you realize how money driven/morally bereft these drug/vaccine corporations are?

Do you realise how money driven farmers are ? And you still eat food ?

I'm under a lot of pressure to conjure up this common knowledge out of thin air.

You manage to conjure up stuff out of thin air just fine.

 

[Dcdrac]

Computer companies make a lot of money out of software and hardware you arehappy to use their poducts Mr Moore......

 

[abaddon]

Computer companies make a lot of money out of software and hardware you arehappy to use their poducts Mr Moore......

It would seem that Mr. Moore believes that pharma companies should, in contrast to any other commercial enterprise, be not-for-profit endeavours. Quite why he believes this remains unknown.

 

[jdc324]

OK. Here's another helpful link for Clayton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

 

[Clayton Moore]

OK. Here's another helpful link for Clayton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#Criticisms


Legal Thievery

Critics of capitalism associate it with social inequality and unfair distribution of wealth and power; a tendency toward market monopoly or oligopoly (and government by oligarchy); imperialism, counter-revolutionary wars and various forms of economic and cultural exploitation; materialism; repression of workers and trade unionists; social alienation; economic inequality; unemployment; and economic instability. Individual property rights have also been associated with the tragedy of the anticommons.

 

[Clayton Moore]

So you now you cannot even read and have to resort to the silly tactic of highlighting random bits of text, Clayton Moore .
Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations



This abstract is really simple to understand

• It has been known for a long time that vaccines have harmful effects on a tiny percentage of those who take them.
• Those harmful effects include autoimmune deficiencies that can be permanent in young children.
  [*]There is evidence that "simultaneous administration of as little as two to three immune adjuvants can overcome genetic resistance to autoimmunity".
• So a small percentage of a tiny percentage of vaccinated children could acquire permanent autoimmune deficiencies.
• This raises concerns that need further investigation.

Love that abstract. The US is overrun by autoimmune deficiencies.

Two or three adjuvants of vaccines can cause a tiny few but 10, 20, 30 total adjuvants of vaccines couldn't possibly be the cause of most of them.


Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[Dcdrac]

Prove it Mr Moore you have made an assertion but do not have nay facts or evidence to back it to date.

Where is your evidence??

 

[Belz...]

Legal Thievery

It's not theft when people give you their wealth in exchange for something they want.

The alternative is everybody gets the same share, which we know doesn't work.

What's your idea ?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

I would have said this was utterly impossible, until I found this thread.

Backing up unproven assertions with more unproven assertions is a fairly common strategy, actually.

"UFOs have visited Earth!"
"But there's no evidence for that!"
"Because the CIA is covering it up!"

"I have psychic powers!"
"Oh? But Randi exposed you as a con-artist?"
"No! He just corrupted my reading with his negative energies!"

"How could a plane have hit the Pentagon and left no debris?!"
"Let me Google that for you... see this photo? There's debris all over the lawn!"
"But it's so obviously planted! How dumb do they think we are?!"

ETA: from Clayton's Wiki link:

Critics of capitalism associate it with social inequality and unfair distribution of wealth and power; a tendency toward market monopoly or oligopoly (and government by oligarchy); imperialism, counter-revolutionary wars and various forms of economic and cultural exploitation; materialism; repression of workers and trade unionists; social alienation; economic inequality; unemployment; and economic instability. Individual property rights have also been associated with the tragedy of the anticommons.

Clayton, do you understand that just because some people say something, and you agree with them, that doesn't automatically make them right? Please answer yes.

 

[pakeha]

Is CM claiming capitalism causes autism?

 

[dafydd]

What's your idea ?

Bleeding with leeches?

 

[LSSBB]

Bleeding with leeches?

Prayer. And chelation. Maybe a voodoo dance too.

 

[000063]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism#Criticisms


Legal Thievery

You know, most people would run away from the thread. You just keep trying emotional appeal after emotional appeal to people who clearly aren't buying them.

Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?

Backing up unproven assertions with more unproven assertions is a fairly common strategy, actually....

The "dragon in my garage" trick.

 

[Mudcat]

Is CM claiming capitalism causes autism?

If he is then you have to admit it's certainly about as likely as vaccines causing autism.

 

[FrederickEason]

Love that abstract. The US is overrun by autoimmune deficiencies.

There is no such thing as "autoimmune deficiency". There are autoimmune diseases. There are immune deficiencies. But there is no such thing as "autoimmune deficiency".

Clayton, where did you get the idea that the US is overrun by a condition that doesn't even exist?

 

[Diogenes]

There is no such thing as "autoimmune deficiency". There are autoimmune diseases. There are immune deficiencies. But there is no such thing as "autoimmune deficiency".

Clayton, where did you get the idea that the US is overrun by a condition that doesn't even exist?

I guess everyone that doesn't have an autoimmune disease has an autoimmune (disease) deficiency...wow, that's rampant!