Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[ArmillarySphere]

Backing up unproven assertions with more unproven assertions is a fairly common strategy, actually.

"I have psychic powers!"
"Oh? But Randi exposed you as a con-artist?"
"No! He just corrupted my reading with his negative energies!"

Oddball: Don't hit me with those negative waves, so early in the morning. Think the bridge will be there and it will be there. It's a mother, beautiful bridge, and it's gonna be there. Ok?
Oddball: Still up!
(planes attack, bombs fall, bridge does too)
... No it ain't. See what sending out them negative waves did, Moriarty?
Moriarty: That ain't my fault, Oddball, I've done nothing but have good thoughts about that damn bridge ever since we left!

 

[Reality Check]

Love that abstract. The US is overrun by autoimmune deficiencies.

Love the ignorance, Clayton Moore !

• the US is not overrun by autoimmune deficiencies .
• Two or three adjuvants of vaccines administered simultaneously could be the cause of a tiny few autoimmune responses. The facts are simple to understand. A single vaccine will usually have a single adjuvant. Thus administering a single vaccine will have at most a load of 1 or 2 adjuvants. Many vaccines (such as the MMR vaccine) do not contain adjuvants.
  It is insanely delusional to think that 10, 20, 30 vaccines are ever administered simultaneously.

Thanks for clarifying your inability to back up your fantasies with facts or understand what you read, Clayton Moore:

Mechanisms of aluminum adjuvant toxicity and autoimmunity in pediatric populations
...

This abstract is really simple to understand

• It has been known for a long time that vaccines have harmful effects on a tiny percentage of those who take them.
• Those harmful effects include autoimmune deficiencies that can be permanent in young children.
• There is evidence that "simultaneous administration of as little as two to three immune adjuvants can overcome genetic resistance to autoimmunity".
• So a small percentage of a tiny percentage of vaccinated children could acquire permanent autoimmune deficiencies.
• This raises concerns that need further investigation.

What you seem unable to understand, Clayton Moore, is this paper does not mention autism.


Citing this paper implies another bit of ignorance (number 23 or 24?).
Clayton Moore: Do you think that autism is an autoimmune disease?
First asked 19 July 2013 - 0 days and counting.

 

[Reality Check]

There are a few new possibilities that may be added to Clayton Moore's 21 statements and 127 133 134 135 136 137 141! days of ignorance and delusion!

But before I add them tomorrow, here is a chance for Clayton Moore to actually answer them:
Clayton Moore: Does ASD have the same symptoms as mercury or lead poisoning?
First asked 18 July 2013 - 5 days and counting.

Clarification needed:
Clayton Moore: do you have the fantasy that vaccines contain lead?

The lead poisoning via vaccines implication is obviously wrong, Clayton Moore. So I will give you a couple of days to clarify it before adding it to the list. Actual lead poisoning has been suggested as a risk factor

First asked 18 July 2013 - 5 days and counting.

Clayton Moore: Do you think that autism is an autoimmune disease?
First asked 19 July 2013 - 4 days and counting.

 

[Mister Earl]

Again and again I see people calling out Clayton Moore to lay down his hand and prove he's got the full house he says he does. And again and again I see him show those cards, and lo! It's not a full house. <SNIP>

Edited by Locknar: 

SNIPed, breach of rule 0/rule 12.

 

[Dcdrac]

So far all this thread has proved is MMR and vaccines in general DO NOT cause autsim

 

[Clayton Moore]

There is no such thing as "autoimmune deficiency". There are autoimmune diseases. There are immune deficiencies. But there is no such thing as "autoimmune deficiency".

Clayton, where did you get the idea that the US is overrun by a condition that doesn't even exist?

My google search for "autoimmune deficiency" must have been sabotaged by nefarious bots intent on discrediting me.

 

[Diogenes]

My google search for "autoimmune deficiency" must have been sabotaged by nefarious bots intent on discrediting me.

Poe?

 

[Dcdrac]

Calyton all you have demonstrated in this thread is MMR and vaccines DO NOT cuase autsim, becasue you gave a platform for educated and informed people to point out in forensic and evidence backed detail why MMR and vaccines DO NOT cause Autism.

 

[Belz...]

My google search for "autoimmune deficiency" must have been sabotaged by nefarious bots intent on discrediting me.

Well you're pretty good at parodying paranoid people.

 

[jdc324]

My google search for "autoimmune deficiency" must have been sabotaged by nefarious bots intent on discrediting me.

My google search for "autoimmune deficiency" was successful. At least, it was successful in finding web pages containing the phrase.

My pubmed search brought up this message:

Quoted phrase not found.

I could not be more interested in your explanation for this disparity Clayton. I cannot wait to hear why a google search promises nearly 25,000 results for the quoted phrase yet pubmed can't find a single paper that contains it (although it claims there are 8,971 for "immune deficiency" and 18,031 for "autoimmune disease").

 

[crhkrebs]

I could not be more interested in your explanation for this disparity Clayton. I cannot wait to hear why a google search promises nearly 25,000 results for the quoted phrase yet pubmed can't find a single paper that contains it (although it claims there are 8,971 for "immune deficiency" and 18,031 for "autoimmune disease").

It's simple. You get the answer by employing Clayton's Law:

"The proof of the pudding that there are conspiracies at high levels of society is media's insistence that there are NONE." (entry #1, this thread)

The fact that there are no entries in PubMed for "autoimmune deficiency" is PROOF of the medical establishment's conspiracy to suppress any evidence of this phenomenon.........and it's inevitable link to vaccination.

Thanks to the unselfish efforts of the brave whistleblowers like Clayton, our children will be spared the ravages of "autoimmune deficiency".


(Sarcasm mode off)

 

[Clayton Moore]

It's simple. You get the answer by employing Clayton's Law:

"The proof of the pudding that there are conspiracies at high levels of society is media's insistence that there are NONE." (entry #1, this thread)

The fact that there are no entries in PubMed for "autoimmune deficiency" is PROOF of the medical establishment's conspiracy to suppress any evidence of this phenomenon.........and it's inevitable link to vaccination.

Thanks to the unselfish efforts of the brave whistleblowers like Clayton, our children will be spared the ravages of "autoimmune deficiency".


(Sarcasm mode off)

http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?queryT...rchButton.x=42&searchButton.y=8&action=search

Did you mean: auto immune deficiency
Results 1 - 10 of about 783

That's why I'm the big dog, the honest dog, the dog with integrity, HERE and wherever I choose to be.

 

[Dcdrac]

So another example of something you have not checked nor read through Mr Moore that long list is not what you think it it is.

So still no proved link between MMR and autism

 

[Belz...]

That's why I'm the big dog, the honest dog, the dog with integrity, HERE and wherever I choose to be.

 

[dafydd]

That's why I'm the big dog, the honest dog, the dog with integrity, HERE and wherever I choose to be.

You owe me a new keyboard. You have said many amusing things in these forums, but that is the funniest.

 

[Estellea]

That's why I'm the big dog, the honest dog, the dog with integrity, HERE and wherever I choose to be.

Folks, how can this not immediately kill this thread? Clayton has not, nor will ever demonstrate a genuine desire to provide valid evidence of his claims. He's just argument by assertion via delusions of grandeur.

Este

 

[jdc324]

http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?queryT...rchButton.x=42&searchButton.y=8&action=search

Did you mean: auto immune deficiency
Results 1 - 10 of about 783

That's why I'm the big dog, the honest dog, the dog with integrity, HERE and wherever I choose to be.

Clayton, you've just searched the CDC for the words auto, immune and deficiency. Try again with "auto immune deficiency": http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?q="aut...sort=date:D:L:d1&ud=1&site=default_collection. There are two results, rather than 783. One of them is a document that mistakenly refers to Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome as Auto Immune Deficiency Syndrome. The other is an index that contains the phrase "auto immune deficiency" with no detail. So who knows what that's meant to refer to. Perhaps it is another reference to AIDS?

At best, you have found one single result. At worst, zero. Yet you claim 783 and say you are the big dog, the honest dog, the dog with integrity.

No. You're the dog who can't operate a search engine.

 

[jdc324]

BTW Clayton, if you're citing the CDC website now presumably it is considered by you to be a valid source of information. I mean, if it weren't you would not have cited it. So it must be OK. Which means you must now accept all those CDC links and CDC-sponsored studies posted earlier in the thread.

 

[Reality Check]

Clayton Moore's 24 statements and 142 days of ignorance and delusion

That's why I'm the big dog, the honest dog, the dog with integrity, HERE and wherever I choose to be.

You may be a dog, Clayton Moore but let us look at your "integrity":

1. Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
   First asked 4 March 2013 - 142 days and counting!
2. Clayton Moore, Do you really think that autism is a form of cancer?
   First asked 8 April 2013 - 108 days and counting
3. Clayton Moore, Please cite the scientific evidence for levels of carcinogens in vaccines enough to affect the vaccinated.
   First asked 8 April 2013 - 106 days and counting
4. Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause allergies.
   First asked 10 April 2013 - 106 days and counting
5. Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause cancer.
   First asked 10 April 2013 - 106 days and counting
6. Clayton Moore, Cite your evidence that vaccines cause MS.
   First asked 10 April 2013 - 106 days and counting
7. Clayton Moore: are you rational enough to understand that 2002 is not 2013, etc.
   First asked 18 April 2013 - 98 days and counting
8. Clayton Moore, Please cite your evidence for the rise of autism between 1978 and 1988
   First asked 26th April 2013 - 91 days and counting
9. Clayton Moore, Are you intelligent enough to cite the science that vaccines can cause asthma?
   First asked 30th April 2013 - 83 days and counting
10. Clayton Moore: Sources for 60 years ago there was little fear of the measles, mumps, or chicken pox
    First asked 14 May 2013 - 72 days and counting
11. Clayton Moore: Evidence for the increase in chronically sick people in the USA
    First asked 15 May 2013 - 71 days and counting
12. Clayton Moore, Exactly how is the Danish study "bogus"?
    First asked 24 May 2013 - 62 days and counting
13. Clayton Moore, What is your evidence that any immune system can be "over simulated"?
    First asked 10 June 2013 - 44 days and counting
14. Clayton Moore, Have you any idea what a citation to the scientific literature is?
    Your continued citations of crank web sites says no!
    First asked 13 June 2013 - 43 days and counting
15. Clayton Moore, Cite the evidence that Al in vaccines increases Alzheimer’s Disease
    First asked 14 June 2013 - 41 days and counting
16. Clayton Moore, Please give the source for the cause of death of this "little girl"
    This will actually take a while because you made up a fantasy about the cause while the ME's verdict is outstanding.
    First asked 17 June 2013 - 37 days and counting
17. Clayton Moore, Can you cite the evidence that support your statement that vaccines are a "debacle"?
    First asked 24 June 2013 - 30 days and counting
18. Clayton Moore, Show that drug companies have a "poor drug testing track record"
    First asked 25 June 2013 - 29 days and counting
19. Clayton Moore, What is your evidence that the medical community is "basically" never taken to task on the safety of vaccines?
    First asked 25 June 2013 - 29 days and counting
20. The delusion of citing an upcoming film from an ignorant, paranoid anit-vaxer (Jeff Hays interviews the quack Andrew Wakefield!)
21. The delusion that there are mysterious "additives" in vaccines that harm children.
    Clayton Moore, Please supply a list of the current additives to vaccines that have been shown to harm children.
    Or is this just another of the paranoid, ignorant delusions that you have been infected by xtongue) from the crazy web sites that you get your information from?
    First asked 2 July 2013 - 22 days and counting.
22. Clayton Moore: Does ASD have the same symptoms as mercury or lead poisoning?
    (they do not as anyone who can read cane find out)
    First asked 18 July 2013 - 8 days and counting.
23. Clayton Moore: do you have the fantasy that vaccines contain lead?
    First asked 18 July 2013 - 8 days and counting.
    
24. Clayton Moore: Do you think that autism is an autoimmune disease?
    First asked 19 July 2013 - 7 days and counting. .
    

 

[Clayton Moore]

BTW Clayton, if you're citing the CDC website now presumably it is considered by you to be a valid source of information. I mean, if it weren't you would not have cited it. So it must be OK. Which means you must now accept all those CDC links and CDC-sponsored studies posted earlier in the thread.

The CDC exists. Searching for words isn't a validation of their minionship to drug and vaccine companies.