Merged Bigfoot: The Patterson Gimlin Film - Part 4

[superbu]

Later, records show that Bob Gimlin sued DeAtley and Patterson's widow, Patricia, in 1975, claiming he was not receiving his share of the film's proceeds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterson-Gimlin_film

Does anyone know the result of this suit? Did Gimlin get a cut?

I seem to recall Greg Long saying in "The Making of Bigfoot" that it was privately settled, but I can't recall for sure.

 

[Night Walker]

I seem to recall Greg Long saying in "The Making of Bigfoot" that it was privately settled, but I can't recall for sure.

I think this point - what Gimlin got (if anything) and/or still gets from Patterson's film - is crucial to understanding what Bigfoot is today...

 

[Chris L]

I seem to recall Greg Long saying in "The Making of Bigfoot" that it was privately settled, but I can't recall for sure.

One wonders why it even got far enough for lawyers to get involved. Since Gimlin had the ultimate ace up his sleeve ("It's a fake people!"), you'd think he'd be the last person Roger would have wanted to try to screw over.

 

[GT/CS]

Roger screwed everyone and anyone. He wasn't picky.

 

[jerrywayne]

Here is a page from grammar challenged Blevins. http://pgfilm.webs.com/book.htm

I'm wondering if the image on the cover page of Patterson's book is a close enough match to the face in the film, and a Patterson signature.

The other drawing by Patterson is of Ostman's female sasquatch. It would be hard for Patterson to have translated from drawing to suit the same body image. He has retained in his drawing Ostman's upturned bangs on the female. It looks to me that those upturned bangs are slightly discernible in the film.

Recalling both the Roe sketch and the Ostman sketch, Patterson has humanized his sasquatches. Ostman's sketch always reminded me of a gibbon.

 

[GT/CS]

Those are some excellent comparisons.

 

[HarryHenderson]

Here is a page from grammar challenged Blevins. http://pgfilm.webs.com/book.htm

I'm wondering if the image on the cover page of Patterson's book is a close enough match to the face in the film, and a Patterson signature.

The other drawing by Patterson is of Ostman's female sasquatch. It would be hard for Patterson to have translated from drawing to suit the same body image. He has retained in his drawing Ostman's upturned bangs on the female. It looks to me that those upturned bangs are slightly discernible in the film.

Recalling both the Roe sketch and the Ostman sketch, Patterson has humanized his sasquatches. Ostman's sketch always reminded me of a gibbon.

There in part is how devious minds work. Incrementally. He self publishes a written-for-profit book in 1966 about an unheard of fringe subject he almost singlehandedly invented called Roger Patterson Presents Bigfoot™, or some such thing, but it just wasn't the financial success he was needing and hoping for. So as he's regrouping Roger Patterson's Bigfoot, he realizes Bigfoot isn't a book, it's a hairy monster, and it needs to be seen and heard¹. And poof and puff, a year and a half later the PGF. Patterson actually coming up with the original concept used in The Blair Witch Project. Fauxthentic™. Humble in style and execution - film a hairy boogey man in a rented suit from a distance and make it look like you accidentally did it - but for Patterson, wholly devious in its intent and promotion.

Using only history as the proof, Patterson was the one born to do it. I have wondered if he ever truly realized he was bound for a lot more 'eternal life' than anything the cosmic gods could have cooked up for him. And on that same thought, if not contrary to it, I'd also argue that he ****** up his legacy's karma by never having come clean.

¹ Glossing over the details and cites, in one of the documentaries of the 70's there was a segment where they did 'an approximation' of a wailing/screaming Bigfoot howl. A howl I'm sure most of you all have heard before. It's chilling, haunting and as flawless of a monster roar as you can imagine. To this day. Problem is it's not some obscure sound guy's best guess approximation, it was developed and produced by, yep, Roger Patterson. Perhaps it's all just small details, but when I learned that particular fact it was the precise moment I fully realized there is no Bigfoot and never was.

 

[jerrywayne]

HH,

I note only a small difference from my view: "There in part is how True Believing minds work."

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Here is a page from grammar challenged Blevins. http://pgfilm.webs.com/book.htm

I'm wondering if the image on the cover page of Patterson's book is a close enough match to the face in the film, and a Patterson signature.

The other drawing by Patterson is of Ostman's female sasquatch. It would be hard for Patterson to have translated from drawing to suit the same body image. He has retained in his drawing Ostman's upturned bangs on the female. It looks to me that those upturned bangs are slightly discernible in the film.

Recalling both the Roe sketch and the Ostman sketch, Patterson has humanized his sasquatches. Ostman's sketch always reminded me of a gibbon.

The nose was the primary humanization. Roger commented on it himself in marketing the film, and it is apparent in the film the nostrils have been modified from what a Phillip Morris or stock Hollywood suit would have for an ape mask.

 

[HarryHenderson]

HH,

I note only a small difference from my view: "There in part is how True Believing minds work."

But I'm not convinced even a little that Patterson was a true believer in Bigfoot by the time the PGF came out, even if he had been at an earlier time. I'd say his simply producing the PGF makes it pretty clear he had no fear the real animal was gonna show up somewhere and trump his version of it. His seeming Bigfoot believer 'act' while promoting the PGF could be argued as par for the course if his intention was making and maximizing profit. To Roger Patterson, that beast was every bit as real as you needed it to be. Now pay the man.

 

[rockinkt]

But I'm not convinced even a little that Patterson was a true believer in Bigfoot by the time the PGF came out, even if he had been at an earlier time. I'd say his simply producing the PGF makes it pretty clear he had no fear the real animal was gonna show up somewhere and trump his version of it. His seeming Bigfoot believer 'act' while promoting the PGF could be argued as par for the course if his intention was making and maximizing profit. To Roger Patterson, that beast was every bit as real as you needed it to be. Now pay the man.

Nailed it.

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

But I'm not convinced even a little that Patterson was a true believer in Bigfoot

Pretty clear to me he never for a single day believed in bigfoot. That would have gone against his general character of dishonesty and preference for defrauding people.

Al DeAtley, in his interview with Greg DeLong is frank about Bob Gimlin and Roger Patterson mostly chasing strange in bars, not out in the woods on their bigfoot expeditions. I can agree with chasing tail. It's just that we ought not call it bigfoot expedition.

The hoaxing went looooong back, hand-in-hand with his book sales, castings, and hokey presentations. He would put up fliers for his own speaking engagement, fake tracks, and give a presentation along with having the book and castings there for sales. He didn't do real well at that. It was the PGF, and the road show they did afterwards that made the money.

Hoaxing for profit was there from the beginning with Roger Patterson.

 

[STRONG LIKE BEAR]

I'm surprised you did not link your own excellent thread from a couple years ago on the subject : http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217165

All of Roger's gimmicks point to one thing, summed up nicely in the posts above

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

Alzheimer's. Been here too long and forgot about that thread.

It's worth adding that Roger's track-hoaxing skills were being honed for years before he wrote the book. By 1961. DeLong in his book The Making of Bigfoot speaks to Roger bringing casts in a brief case to a camera shop and the owner was pretty critical of them. So Roger modified them and brought new castings back in accordance with the owner's recommendation. DeLong interviewed the owner.

 

[Chris L]

Alzheimer's. Been here too long and forgot about that thread.

It's worth adding that Roger's track-hoaxing skills were being honed for years before he wrote the book. By 1961. DeLong in his book The Making of Bigfoot speaks to Roger bringing casts in a brief case to a camera shop and the owner was pretty critical of them. So Roger modified them and brought new castings back in accordance with the owner's recommendation. DeLong interviewed the owner.

I didn't realize Roger had been that blatant.

 

[Pacal]

I think Gilman not being in on the filming with Green and Dahinden was to cut him out from the very beginning. My inference is that Gimlin would have been there had DeAtley and Roger Patterson wanted him there.

They actually had a stand-in appear on their road show "testifying" that he was Bob Gimlin and that the events were true as Roger portrayed them.

They had a "stand in" say he was Bob Gimlin and then "testify" to the truth of the story of how the film was made?! You don't need anything more to tell you that this whole thing screams fraud.

 

[William Parcher]

But don't think that a lot of people ever believed that the PGF was real. They still don't.

It's always been a fringe belief. For people who can keep blind faith through all the obvious bunk. It's a small select group who really are weirdos.

 

[Northern Lights]

But don't think that a lot of people ever believed that the PGF was real. They still don't.

It's always been a fringe belief. For people who can keep blind faith through all the obvious bunk. It's a small select group who really are weirdos.

Guilty as charged!

 

[AlaskaBushPilot]

They had a "stand in" say he was Bob Gimlin and then "testify" to the truth of the story of how the film was made?! You don't need anything more to tell you that this whole thing screams fraud.

Yes, and yet Gimlin kept his mouth shut about it. The road show died, and Patterson was on his deathbead so soon afterwards there wasn't a lot Gimlin could do about being cut out.

But he seems happy with his pathetic little legacy as "Tonto" role in this script.

Edit: I keep calling Greg Long DeLong. Duh.

 

[HarryHenderson]

But don't think that a lot of people ever believed that the PGF was real. They still don't.

It's always been a fringe belief. For people who can keep blind faith through all the obvious bunk. It's a small select group who really are weirdos.

Your insinuation though is there's a larger disconnect between the PGF and Bigfooters (i.e. Bleevers™, past or present) than actually exists IMHO. I won't say one-and-the-same since numerous folk profess belief-in-the-beast-but-not-the-PGF, but for better or worse that "small select group who really are weirdos" is the better part of today's Popular Bigfooting, which we come here to vicariously 'pelt with rocks and garbage'. I personally would not have developed any true interest in Bigfoot even at a lowly 10 years old had the PGF not existed.

That is to say, if the PGF had been debunked (or better yet confessed to) back in the day leaving no doubt as to its origins, I have no doubt we'd not be sitting here pointing and giggling at all the Bigfoot Fools Forever (BFFs) who can only act like they get it.