Vaccine/autism CT discussion

[Clayton Moore]

Which didn't answer the question.

Your essential premise on vaccines...which parallels your Zionist conspiracy position, apparently...is that denial of a conspiracy is proof a conspiracy exists.

That doesn't appear questionable at all?

The proof of the pudding that there are conspiracies at high levels of society is media's insistence that there are NONE.


Then I provided an example of the media ignoring the track record of Big Pharma when discussing vaccines.

 

[332nd]

Again, for the umpteenth time, when a baby's environment is from a to b as opposed to A to Z the WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE CAUSE OF AUTISM explanation is beyond mind numbingly stupid propaganda.

A parallel would be the loss of US manufacturing jobs overseas. The government simply let it happen.

That argument has been rejected due to the fact that you can't explain/are running from all of the children that have their vaccinations that do not have autism.

Is your anger due the the fact that you can only use whining appeals to emotion as an argument?

 

[jdc324]

Parent after parent after parent after parent after parent of the victims.

Clayton, I have some new questions for you to fail to provide clear and valid answers to (did you look up the post where you provided a clear and valid answer on MS and vaccines yet, btw?):

1. How many parents of children with autism/ASD are there?
2. How many VAERS reports relate to vaccines and autism/ASD?
3. How many compensation claims relate to vaccines and autism/ASD?
4. How many of these VAERS reports and compensation claims were made prior to Wakefield and the ambulance-chasing lawyers telling parents to fear vaccines?

It shouldn't take you long to look up the answers. Some of them have been provided in this thread already.

 

[abaddon]

The proof of the pudding that there are conspiracies at high levels of society is media's insistence that there are NONE.

Wait, wait, wait, the proof that there is a conspiracy is the fact that nobody claims there is a conspiracy? For real?

 

[Clayton Moore]

That argument has been rejected due to the fact that you can't explain/are running from all of the children that have their vaccinations that do not have autism.

Is your anger due the the fact that you can only use whining appeals to emotion as an argument?

The highlighted is plain scary.

http://www.livescience.com/36882-autism-prevalence-rises-children.html

What's acceptable?

 

[Diogenes]

Wait, wait, wait, the proof that there is a conspiracy is the fact that nobody claims there is a conspiracy? For real?

Yes, exactly.

 

[Diogenes]

The highlighted is plain scary.

http://www.livescience.com/36882-autism-prevalence-rises-children.html

What's acceptable?

A shame you won't read the actual literature those numbers are based on.

 

[332nd]

The highlighted is plain scary.

http://www.livescience.com/36882-autism-prevalence-rises-children.html

What's acceptable?

Actual evidence that vaccinations cause autism. Is the fact you don't have any the reason for your fear?

 

[Reality Check]

Again, for the umpteenth time, when a baby's environment is from a to b as opposed to A to Z the WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE CAUSE OF AUTISM explanation is beyond mind numbingly stupid propaganda.

Again, for the umpteenth time, your delusions or paranoia about " a baby's environment is from a to b as opposed to A to Z" do not count as evidence.

Again, for the umpteenth time, "WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE CAUSE OF AUTISM" is a lie - we have figured out the possible causes of autism and that does not include vaccinations.

Again, for the umpteenth time, "WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT THE CAUSE OF AUTISM" is not the explanation for the observed fact that increasing the antigen load for vaccination has no long-term effects on children.
Clayton Moore's 21 statements and 127 days of ignorance and delusion:

Clayton Moore, What is your evidence that any immune system can be "over simulated"?
First asked 10 June 2013 - 29 days and counting
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[Alareth]

Clayton, you do realize that a major factor in the statistical rise in ASD diagnosis is that previously unclassified or similar disorders have been brought under the umbrella of autism?

That is what the "spectrum" party of autism spectrum disorder means.

Pre-existing conditions that were called something else are now called autism spectrum and it's throwing the numbers off making it seem like a huge surge in autism when it really isn't.

If you want to go down the route of anecdote, then we could argue that autism rates have increased since the removal of Thimiserol from children's vaccines. Therefore thimiserol obviously prevented autism.

 

[Reality Check]

The highlighted is plain scary.

Your inability to understand what you read is definitely scary, Clayton Moore !

Originally Posted by Redtail
That argument has been rejected due to the fact that you can't explain/are running from all of the children that have their vaccinations that do not have autism.

The highlighted is plain fact - there exist children with autism who have never been vaccinated.
Thus it is extremely idiotic to claim that vaccinations are the only cause of autism because unvaccinated children with autism exist.

The only question was whether vaccinations contribute to autism and the answer was and remains no.
From Clayton Moore's 21 statements and 127 days of ignorance and delusion:

Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
First asked 4 March 2013 - 127 days and counting!
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http://www.livescience.com/36882-autism-prevalence-rises-children.html
What's acceptable?

A quite inane question, Clayton Moore, because the acceptable rate of autism is obviously zero (0, nil, nada and any other way to say no children with autism !).

Autism Rate Rises to 1 in 50 Kids

The reason for the rise is not known, and cannot be determined from the report. But the findings suggest that doctors and other healthcare professionals are getting better at identifying and diagnosing mild forms of autism, said study researcher Stephen Blumberg, of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics, the organization the released the report.
Because the findings are based on parents' reports, and were not confirmed by a doctor or the patient's medical records, they might not be entirely accurate. However, previous estimates based on parental reports have generally matched those based on medical records, the researchers said.
The new findings are not directly comparable to a report released last year, which found that 1 in 88 children U.S. children has autism. That report was based on information collected in 2008 from 8-year old children living in 14 areas in the United States.
The new study is based on phone surveys of 96,000 parents in 2011 and 2012. Parents were asked if a doctor or health care professional had ever diagnosed their child with an autism spectrum disorder.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Clayton, you do realize that a major factor in the statistical rise in ASD diagnosis is that previously unclassified or similar disorders have been brought under the umbrella of autism?

That is what the "spectrum" party of autism spectrum disorder means.

Pre-existing conditions that were called something else are now called autism spectrum and it's throwing the numbers off making it seem like a huge surge in autism when it really isn't.

If you want to go down the route of anecdote, then we could argue that autism rates have increased since the removal of Thimiserol from children's vaccines. Therefore thimiserol obviously prevented autism.

Good grief. If you grew up in the 50s and 60s you'd know the above is garbage.
If you grew up after ask your mom or dad or your grandparents.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

The highlighted is plain scary.

http://www.livescience.com/36882-autism-prevalence-rises-children.html

What's acceptable?

Most of the rise is attributed to new autism cases diagnosed after 2008, the researchers said. In particular, there was an increase in cases of older children (ages 10 to 17) diagnosed with mild forms of autism. More than half of the children with autism in this age group had a mild form of the condition, the latest findings showed. The reason for the rise is not known, and cannot be determined from the report. But the findings suggest that doctors and other healthcare professionals are getting better at identifying and diagnosing mild forms of autism, said study researcher Stephen Blumberg, of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics, the organization the released the report.

Care to address the bolded quote from your source?

 

[Reality Check]

Clayton Moore, do you know that the definition of autism has widened

Good grief. If you grew up in the 50s and 60s you'd know the above is garbage.

Good grief. I grew up in the 60s and know that the above is garbage!
That it is garbage is obvious because you do not even understand what you read, Clayton Moore, or you would not have written that gibberish!

So it looks like a formal question (number 22!) is needed:
Clayton Moore, you do realize that a major factor in the statistical rise in ASD diagnosis is that previously unclassified or similar disorders have been brought under the umbrella of autism?
First asked 9 July 2013 - 0 days and counting.

Here is a small fact for you, Clayton Moore: The active parts of vaccines (antigens) have decreased over the last few decades.
But the rate of autism has increased!
According to your "logic" does this mean that the reduction in antigens has increased autism and so vaccines prevent autism?

 

[332nd]

Good grief. If you grew up in the 50s and 60s you'd know the above is garbage.
If you grew up after ask your mom or dad or your grandparents.

How's about I ask my father-in-law who grew up in the 50's & 60's, was diagnosed as "slow" in grade school due to his general disinterest in class, which changed to "disrespect for authority in high school when they realized he was actually smart, then due to a prescription of military service to cure afore mentioned disrespect, was diagnosed with depression when he still had trouble, years later he was diagnosed with Adult Attention Deficit Disorder, before finally diagnosed with auspergers several years ago.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Care to address the bolded quote from your source?

The reason for the rise is not known, and cannot be determined from the report.
Just more CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT NONSENSE.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Your inability to understand what you read is definitely scary, Clayton Moore !

The highlighted is plain fact - there exist children with autism who have never been vaccinated.
Thus it is extremely idiotic to claim that vaccinations are the only cause of autism because unvaccinated children with autism exist.

The only question was whether vaccinations contribute to autism and the answer was and remains no.
From Clayton Moore's 21 statements and 127 days of ignorance and delusion:

Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
First asked 4 March 2013 - 127 days and counting!
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A quite inane question, Clayton Moore, because the acceptable rate of autism is obviously zero (0, nil, nada and any other way to say no children with autism !).

Autism Rate Rises to 1 in 50 Kids

Your inability to understand what you read is definitely scary, Clayton Moore !
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redtail
That argument has been rejected due to the fact that you can't explain/are running from all of the children that have their vaccinations that do not have autism.The highlighted is plain fact - there exist children with autism who have never been vaccinated.Thus it is extremely idiotic to claim that vaccinations are the only cause of autism because unvaccinated children with autism exist.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Reality Check]

Wow. Just wow.

Yes, Clayton Moore.
Wow - there exist unvaccinated children who have autism !
Wow - this means that vaccination is not the one and only cause of autism !
Wow - Redtail says that you are running away from the issue and ...
From Clayton Moore's 21 statements and 127 days of ignorance and delusion:

Clayton Moore: Cite the studies showing the links between the MMR jab and autism.
First asked 4 March 2013 - 127 days and counting!
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This is Redtail's post:

That argument has been rejected due to the fact that you can't explain/are running from all of the children that have their vaccinations that do not have autism.

Is your anger due the the fact that you can only use whining appeals to emotion as an argument?

And in fact there are two issues that you are running away from - your delusion that vaccines cause autism and the other delusion that vaccine loads harm children:
Clayton Moore, What is your evidence that any immune system can be "over simulated"?
First asked 10 June 2013 - 29 days and counting

Redtail's question also answers itself - you have only "whining appeals to emotion as an argument" so far. Your posts thus look like the angry squawks of a parrot trained by a bunch of paranoid, ignorant anti-vaxers.

 

[Reality Check]

Just more CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT NONSENSE.

MORE CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I READ AND SO MAKE UP NONSENSE, Clayton Moore, when it is actually DOCTORS CAN FIGURE IT OUT AND SO STATE THAT THEY MAY HAVE FIGURED IT OUT as quoted in Autism Rate Rises to 1 in 50 Kids

The reason for the rise is not known, and cannot be determined from the report.

But the findings suggest that doctors and other healthcare professionals are getting better at identifying and diagnosing mild forms of autism

, said study researcher Stephen Blumberg, of the Center for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics, the organization the released the report.

The report itself cannot give a reason for the increase because it is a parent-reported telephone survey with no case histories and limited details of each case.

The fact that it is mild cases that show the greatest increase suggests that it is doctors and other healthcare professionals are getting better at identifying and diagnosing mild forms of autism.

 

[BadBoy]

The drug industry pretty much owns the vaccine industry. It's pretty much like a guy named Vaccine Industry entering a bank with a stocking mask not being suspected of likely shenanigans.

According to the CDC website (A US federal government organisation) the MMR is purchased at a much reduced cost compared with the public sector:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/programs/vfc/awardees/vaccine-management/price-list/index.html

Cost is $20.00 and they are supplied via Merk.

Looking at Merk return :



The law also increased mandated Medicaid rebates, which reduced revenues by approximately $179 million and $170 million in 2011 and 2010, respectively.


See page 3 and 4.

So they are pretty much forced to sell the vacines at a much reduced price.

So much for the Big Pharma CT.