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Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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Clayton Moore said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB2iunyotP4&feature=youtube_gdata

Silent Epidemic _The Untold Story of Vaccines-07-12-13
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Do you have any real evidence? Any medical/scientific publications that would support your statements? Your reliance on "quack" sites and YouTube videos tells me no. Man up and confess that you have no tangible evidence!

In the 1980s autism rate was 1 in 10,000 now it's 1 in 50.
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All that is simply evidence that you can't distinguish between correlation and causation. Do you truly not see that? Cell phone use has also increased geometrically over the same period. Why aren't you trumpeting "cell phone usage" as a cause for autism?

I'll dispute your numbers too (no doubt copied from a Vaccine conspiratard site). The 1 in 10,000 (if that's even accurate) would be reported diagnosed cases, not the actual incidence of people affected with autism from 30+ years ago. This has already been explained to you many times. Now the rate is 1 in 50? What's your source? Another YouTube video? That's the highest number I've ever seen. I suspect as this thread continues to chug along, we won't have too long before you begin reporting 1 in 30, or 1 in 10.

Won't be long before everyone is an autist.

Btw, do you follow any of the advances in genetic research and ASD? A lot has happened in the last 3 years. Naw!............I didn't think so.
 
crhkrebs said:
Do you have any real evidence? Any medical/scientific publications that would support your statements? Your reliance on "quack" sites and YouTube videos tells me no. Man up and confess that you have no tangible evidence!



All that is simply evidence that you can't distinguish between correlation and causation. Do you truly not see that? Cell phone use has also increased geometrically over the same period. Why aren't you trumpeting "cell phone usage" as a cause for autism?

I'll dispute your numbers too (no doubt copied from a Vaccine conspiratard site). The 1 in 10,000 (if that's even accurate) would be reported diagnosed cases, not the actual incidence of people affected with autism from 30+ years ago. This has already been explained to you many times. Now the rate is 1 in 50? What's your source? Another YouTube video? That's the highest number I've ever seen. I suspect as this thread continues to chug along, we won't have too long before you begin reporting 1 in 30, or 1 in 10.

Won't be long before everyone is an autist.

Btw, do you follow any of the advances in genetic research and ASD? A lot has happened in the last 3 years. Naw!............I didn't think so.
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Did you take the time to listen to the link I provided? Have fun with your tobacco science.
 
What's asinine is that we have to let a common cold run it's course but the medical community thinks it can stimulate a bay's immune system over and over and over by recipe.
 
Clayton Moore said:
What's asinine is that we have to let a common cold run it's course but the medical community thinks it can stimulate a bay's immune system over and over and over by recipe.
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Appeals to emotion are still not facts or evidence.

At the time of this reply you have 1019 posts in this thread. That's one sixth of a conversation that has gone on for way too long. It also accounts for roughly one sixth of your entire post count on this forum.

Every single one of these posts has been dedicated to dodging questions, evading contrary evidence, appeals to emotion, misrepresenting medical studies and news reports, random anecdotes and and flat out making up stories out of whole cloth.

It's been more than two years since this absurd thread began with a post by you split from yet another thread and all you've managed to do make yourself look like a greater and greater fool.

Do everyone a favor Mr. Moore, present some actual evidence or stop wasting our time with your antics.
 
Clayton Moore said:
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In the 1980s autism rate was 1 in 10,000 now it's 1 in 50.
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Oh - the stupidity of the statement hurts, Clayton Moore :jaw-dropp!
I see that your ignorance continues, Clayton Moore:
The rate of autism increased mostly because the definition of autism was widened and also because doctors became better at diagnosing it.

Now let us see which of the delusions this is in Clayton Moore's 21 statements and 127 133 days of ignorance and delusion. It looks like number 14:
Clayton Moore, Have you any idea what a citation to the scientific literature is?
Your continued citations of crank web sites says no!
First asked 13 June 2013 - 28 34 days and counting
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Add citations of idiotic YouTube videos to your citations of crank web sites.
And related to number 20:
And the actual science rather some YouTube idiocy:
CDC and HRSA issue report on changes in prevalence of parent-reported Autism Spectrum Disorder in school-aged children
Main findings of the report:
  • The prevalence of parent-reported ASD among children aged 6-17 years was 2 percent in 2011-2012 compared to 1.2 percent in 2007.
  • The change in prevalence estimates was greatest for boys and for adolescents aged 14 to 17 years.
  • Children who were first diagnosed in or after 2008 were more likely to have milder ASD than those diagnosed in or before 2007.
  • Much of the increase in the prevalence estimates from 2007 to 2011-2012 for school-aged children was the result of diagnoses of children with previously unrecognized ASD.
The report is available at [URL="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs."]www.cdc.gov/nchs.[/URL]
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Clayton Moore said:
What's asinine is that we have to let a common cold run it's course but the medical community thinks it can stimulate a bay's immune system over and over and over by recipe.
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What is asinine is the ignorance of the real world, Clayton Moore, i.e. what the common cold is and why we have to let it runs it's course :jaw-dropp!
The common cold (also known as nasopharyngitis, rhinopharyngitis, acute coryza, or a cold) is a viral infectious disease of the upper respiratory tract which affects primarily the nose. Symptoms include coughing, sore throat, runny nose, sneezing, and fever which usually resolve in seven to ten days, with some symptoms lasting up to three weeks. Well over 200 viruses are implicated in the cause of the common cold; the rhinoviruses are the most common.
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No cure for the common cold exists, but the symptoms can be treated....
Vaccination has proved difficult as there are so many viruses involved and they mutate rapidly.[40] Creation of a broadly effective vaccine is thus highly improbable.[41]
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The medical community does not have your implied wish to kill thousands or even millions of babies by allowing them to die sometimes horrendous deaths from diseases such as whooping cough, Clayton Moore. This is why the medical community does "stimulate a bay's immune system over and over and over" based on the science that shows that the benefits are much higher then the costs rather than paranoid delusions.

The medical community does not have your delusions about vaccines (from Clayton Moore's 21 statements and 127 133 days of ignorance and delusion)
 
Let's talk "asinine", ok Clayton?

What is your source for the 1 in 50 autism rate? What is your source showing that the MMR vaccine causes autism?

Asinine indeed!
 
crhkrebs said:
Let's talk "asinine", ok Clayton?

What is your source for the 1 in 50 autism rate? What is your source showing that the MMR vaccine causes autism?

Asinine indeed!
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Indeed! I read.

One in 50 American kids has autism: What the latest figures tell us
Recent statistics on autism released by the CDC show an increase from the previous estimate of 1 in 88. Even allowing for more frequent diagnoses, 'a true increase in the number of people with an ASD cannot be ruled out,' the CDC said.
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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...atest-figures-article-1.1302872#ixzz2Z5OaSUVv
 
crhkrebs said:
Let's talk "asinine", ok Clayton?

What is your source for the 1 in 50 autism rate? What is your source showing that the MMR vaccine causes autism?

Asinine indeed!
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He's not too far off. The incidence rate for autism spectrum disorders according to the CDC is 1 in 54 for boys, 1 in 252 for girls, 1 in 88 overall.

So in the case of the incidence rate for autism spectrum disorders in young males, 1 in 50 would be an accurate number.

However, I'm still of the conviction that Clayton does not realize that more than half of these children diagnosed with ASDs would not fit his mental caricature of an autistic child, seeing as the statistic includes high-functioning autists that would not have been diagnosed with autism 10, 20, or 30 years ago.

Clayton, do you accept that the diagnostic criteria for autism and autism spectrum disorders have greatly increased in scope in recent history? Do you accept that part of the increase in ASD diagnoses is due to the increase in scope of the diagnostic criteria pertinent to autism spectrum disorders?
 
FrederickEason said:
He's not too far off. The incidence rate for autism spectrum disorders according to the CDC is 1 in 54 for boys, 1 in 252 for girls, 1 in 88 overall.

So in the case of the incidence rate for autism spectrum disorders in young males, 1 in 50 would be an accurate number.

However, I'm still of the conviction that Clayton does not realize that more than half of these children diagnosed with ASDs would not fit his mental caricature of an autistic child, seeing as the statistic includes high-functioning autists that would not have been diagnosed with autism 10, 20, or 30 years ago.

Clayton, do you accept that the diagnostic criteria for autism and autism spectrum disorders have greatly increased in scope in recent history? Do you accept that part of the increase in ASD diagnoses is due to the increase in scope of the diagnostic criteria pertinent to autism spectrum disorders?
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RELATED: ONE IN 50 U.S. CHILDREN HAS AUTISM: CDC

In either case, the data shows skyrocketing reports of these disorders among children, with boys four times as likely as girls to be diagnosed. The extent to which these rates reflect a better understanding and, thus, diagnosing of these conditions is unknown, but "a true increase in the number of people with an ASD cannot be ruled out," the CDC says on its website.
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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...atest-figures-article-1.1302872#ixzz2Z6HTeT24
 
Clayton Moore said:
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...atest-figures-article-1.1302872#ixzz2Z6HTeT24
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And in the same article this link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-sty...llnesses-share-genetic-link-article-1.1276201

Five most common mental illnesses share a common genetic basis: study
ADHD, autism, bipolar disorder, depression and schizophrenia appear to be based in part on a group of four gene variations, an international team of researchers found, though many other factors may determine whether a person develops mental illness.
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That's from a pretty good paper, too, what was that you'd claimed about genetics again?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Parent after parent after parent after parent after parent of the victims.
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People are notoriously bad at determining the cause of illness or getting-better-ness. Scientific studies, please.

The proof of the pudding that there are conspiracies at high levels of society is media's insistence that there are NONE.
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So whether there is evidence of a conspiracy or not, it's a conspiracy ?

See the problem, here ?
 
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