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As a modification of a "test" I suggested earlier; If a third party were to choose 50 of the OP's oldest audio clips and removed the labels and documentation, would the OP be able to interpret each one exactly as she did originally?

I have serious doubts that she would.
 
trustbutverify said:
As a modification of a "test" I suggested earlier; If a third party were to choose 50 of the OP's oldest audio clips and removed the labels and documentation, would the OP be able to interpret each one exactly as she did originally?

I have serious doubts that she would.
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She already has an out. She has told us that when she had re-listened to some of her very oldest recordings, the spirits had again changed what was being said.

The spirits like to remain topical.
 
jsfisher said:
She already has an out. She has told us that when she had re-listened to some of her very oldest recordings, the spirits had again changed what was being said.

The spirits like to remain topical.
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Well then. I'm not sure any effective protocol can be designed if the rules constantly change.
 
Good evening , I've downloaded all files received , and on playback there where no voices . Tracy was pleased with this result as it means only her machine can alter other machines . I tested my laptop with the silent recording , and the spirit voice is still present .

I think it would be illegal to scan and upload a private document from her GP . When Tracy gets to a hotspot she will download the files that have been sent to her , with pleasure .
 
scrappy said:
Good evening , I've downloaded all files received , and on playback there where no voices . Tracy was pleased with this result as it means only her machine can alter other machines . I tested my laptop with the silent recording , and the spirit voice is still present .

I think it would be illegal to scan and upload a private document from her GP . When Tracy gets to a hotspot she will download the files that have been sent to her , with pleasure .
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Mm'kay! Speaking for myself, I'm not looking for a scan of the "document" but only a concise precis of the contents (some hope!). As the owner of the letter, Tracy has full rights.

In other news it's a good thing that the spirits, as keen as they are to get the message out there, have elected to restrict themselves further via some selective laptopery. Actually, that's bad news as my diabetes will go uncured :(

Who'd a thunk it?
 
Scrappy, if the only machine that affects audio recordings belongs to Flaccon, then it follows rationally that there is a defect in her machine. The leap to "spirit voices" requires a number of non-evidential suppositions, beginning with the claim that spirits exist, and moving on through a collection of increasingly unlikely ideas.

Please consider this before continuing to support Flaccon's outrageous claims.
 
scrappy said:
Good evening , I've downloaded all files received , and on playback there where no voices . Tracy was pleased with this result as it means only her machine can alter other machines . I tested my laptop with the silent recording , and the spirit voice is still present .
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Surely, you cannot be serious. The voices that you admit you cannot hear now, that nobody can hear at all happen to arise only on flaccon's laptop, because her laptop is somehow special. MD5 hashes, or it did not happen

scrappy said:
I think it would be illegal to scan and upload a private document from her GP . When Tracy gets to a hotspot she will download the files that have been sent to her , with pleasure .
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And you would be utterly wrong. "Tracey" is perfectly entitled to upload any correspondence she may have received. "Tracey" will not get to a hotspot.
 
scrappy said:
Just a brief up date as I have work in the morning . I was instructed to go to Chester to test the mountain with Tracy . They has bin a misunderstanding , Tracy isn't confident that my laptop will alter Alerdbanks recording . She said it would be interesting to see if this could be achieved be for running it through her own lap top . Tracy still has no internet to down load JFishers recordings . Sorry this is brief but I will be back tomorrow night . Goodnight .
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This has been coming back to me several times since yesterday. A while ago I sort of daydreamed my way into the trip that flaccon and scrappy are sharing: that sense of a special excitement that a hidden world is about to blossom forth and engulf them, if they just pursue the clues, if they only connect with the proffered tendrils of that new revelation that's being heralded towards them.

Together they dashed off to see what the mountain would give them, on a wild pilgrimage towards some hoped for apotheosis, two children of god being called home.

They must be feeling quite liberated, to be the chosen vessels for this manifestation, they must be feeling alive to a new day, running away to "test the mountain" leaving the plodding skeptics in our little box on this thread while they are out there sharing this adventure!

I can sympathise with that excitement at the imminent revelation... it was the way I felt for some while as the marvellous intimations of secrets being revealed was dawning on me after I had been on the move for some time in India and the initial causes had faded over time and the experience I was having mutated into contact with a higher stratum of the "other" world/beings that were "contacting" me.

They don't want that trip to end, or to be contaminated with our doubts. They can't accept our suggestions, because they are irrelevant to their experience, and their experience is the be-all of their interest.

We are living in separate worlds. Our skeptical concerns are of no more interest to them than the buzzing of flies. The evasiveness we see is their modus operandi, the irrational chaos from which their truth will arise, the mechanism through which they can make their way.

I imagine their trip up Snowden was a tip of the tongue sensation to them, looking for clues, expecting some imminent new experience, a revelation.

I predict more such sudden forays and wild goose chasing. Perhaps they will lose interest in this thread altogether, and return here less and less, in favour of their delicious play that they see as holy work.

Just trying to see things as they must be seeing themselves. We are dreary dull work, when what they crave and are getting is the liberation of fantasy come to reality (not that they see it as fantasy, but that conveys how I think they feel).

We're on a hiding to nothing, expecting coherent thought and expression from these two "conspirators", away enjoying their game. (I seem to recall flaccon expressing that this is a positive phase of her hauntings, way back in the beginning of this thread.)

So it goes. :cool:


ETA Well! Scrappy must have turned up just as I started making this post! I was cynically not expecting him to turn up this late! Still, maybe if I'm off base they will at least say so? Or am I correct in my characterisation of where your heads are at, scrappy and flacon? Hoping to hear from you soon, your pal, a Syd :)
 
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scrappy said:
Good evening , I've downloaded all files received , and on playback there where no voices . Tracy was pleased with this result as it means only her machine can alter other machines . I tested my laptop with the silent recording , and the spirit voice is still present .

I think it would be illegal to scan and upload a private document from her GP . When Tracy gets to a hotspot she will download the files that have been sent to her , with pleasure .
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Good evening scrappy. No it does not mean that at all. There is no evidence that Tracy's machine can alter other machines (there might be assertions from her that she can alter other machines but that is not evidence). This result as I understand it is that no files or machines are changed, the world operates according to the expected laws of physics, nothing paranormal has happened and any spirit voices are only inside people's heads.

I have no idea what I tested my laptop with the silent recording , and the spirit voice is still present means. It seems like an assertion from you without any evidence.
 
It has been rather obvious from the beginning that there is something defective with Flaccon's sound rig.

When you use just the right computer, just the right speakers, held just the right way, you get sound that is transformed into garbled noise.

Then one person convinces others that they hear specific, clear sentences. Later on they're just words, and not as clear. Then the words change over time. I can see some people playing around with this and having a laugh.

But I don't understand how someone can come up with a preposterous explanation for the sounds and then actually attempt to convince a group of skeptics, of all people, that there is a supernatural element to this mess.

Seriously, my very early advice to Flaccon was to take a break from the recordings and do some research on how electronic sound signal works, how the mind works, especially when it comes to pareidolia and other illusions.

Flaccon, if you read this, please give some thought to the possibility that your whole life might turn out to be even more interesting and fulfilling after you shake your illusory beliefs. There are resources and information here on this forum that can facilitate this process, not to mention knowledgeable folks, some of which have direct personal experience similar in many ways to your own.

So what if your father will not actually talk to you again in your lifetime? That's what happens to most of us. There are healthy ways to cope.

So what if demons did not really ruin your marriage? Divorce is another event that happens to most of us. There are healthy ways to cope.

So what if you can't actually help others connect with the spirit world? This our lot as humans. All we have is each other.

I still have delusional hopes that you might give it a try. Perhaps just for a test. Take art classes. You have shown that you can be perceptive and expressive. Make your own art.

You don't need the spirits. Even if the spirits were to exist, which is evidently not at all likely, what have they done for you? Nothing. This mess is driving your family apart and bringing you nothing but trouble.

Try a different approach for a few months. Natural processes can easily explain the noises on your computer, as well as your interpretation of them.

There are healthier ways to cope. I sincerely wish you the best.
 
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abaddon said:
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And you would be utterly wrong. "Tracey" is perfectly entitled to upload any correspondence she may have received. "Tracey" will not get to a hotspot.
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Well spotted, abaddon. I did a little searching on that very spelling. A lot of us have misspelled it, but can you guess who was the first? (No, it was not flaccon herself.)

It probably means absolutely nothing, but it is curious.
 
You don't need the spirits. Even if the spirits were to exist, which is evidently not at all likely, what have they done for you? Nothing. This mess is driving your family apart and bringing you nothing but trouble.

Try a different approach for a few months. Natural processes can easily explain the noises on your computer, as well as your interpretation of them.

There are healthier ways to cope. I sincerely wish you the best.

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Alderbank, I did leave you my land line number and still maintain that you can contact me most evenings . I will be up again to chester in 2 weeks time . Please understand that mine and Tracys relationship has allways been platonic .
 
jsfisher said:
Well spotted, abaddon. I did a little searching on that very spelling. A lot of us have misspelled it, but can you guess who was the first? (No, it was not flaccon herself.)

It probably means absolutely nothing, but it is curious.
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Uh oh.
 
scrappy said:
Alderbank, I did leave you my land line number and still maintain that you can contact me most evenings . I will be up again to chester in 2 weeks time . Please understand that mine and Tracys relationship has allways been platonic .
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scrappy, tonight's experiment clearly shows that the spirits have altered nothing and any ideas that they have are only in flaccon's mind. I have checked my copy of the file and it is unchanged in sound, date or checksum.

Please read Maurice's wise words and talk them over with flaccon.

We are intrigued - why do you spell her name as Tracy? How does she spell it herself?

I expect there will be a lot of discussion on this thread in the next two weeks. I'm happy to meet up with you both for a chat when you are up in Cheshire again

PS Make your own decisions. Don't do what the spirits instruct you!
 
We all must be getting bored if we have nothing better to talk about than an alternative spelling of someone's name. I've got friends that I've known for years who always spell my name as Katie rather than Katy, even on facebook when my name is staring them in the face. I also have a sister-in-law called Clare, or Claire... I can never remember which.
 
Professor Yaffle said:
We all must be getting bored if we have nothing better to talk about than an alternative spelling of someone's name. I've got friends that I've known for years who always spell my name as Katie rather than Katy, even on facebook when my name is staring them in the face. I also have a sister-in-law called Clare, or Claire... I can never remember which.
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It's slightly more interesting than how to address the Bishop of Chester in the House of Lords (yawn)
 
jsfisher said:
Well spotted, abaddon. I did a little searching on that very spelling. A lot of us have misspelled it, but can you guess who was the first? (No, it was not flaccon herself.)

It probably means absolutely nothing, but it is curious.
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Meh, google a chaps real name and find out all sorts of stuff. There really is no magic to it, despite the claims to the contrary from my nearest and dearest. We all of us leave our internet footprints. The real question is are you willing to be identified. I am, jayutah did and there are a mottly selection of folks who really are prepped to put up.

BTW. Like. others, I am still convinced you really were a mod at some point.

And we are derailing like there is no tomorrow.
 
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