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Alderbank said:
Welcome to the Forum, scrappy/Mr Roberts. Now that you are here I'm sure we will indeed make good progress. It is interesting that you say you can hear voices speak clear words. Have you listened to the recordings which flaccon gave me to post here? Until now, no-one except flaccon herself can hear words on them. What can you hear?

What does flaccon mean when she talks about calibrating laptops? It means nothing to any of us.

There is nothing paranormal about hearing voices, even hearing clear voices. Thousands of people in the UK hear voices, it is a common symptom of many mental illnesses. Hearing the voices of spirits would be paranormal and earlier on this thread we discussed how to identify whether voices heard were actually those of spirits.

I notice that you say you can clearly hear 'the spirits'. Why do you claim that, and how do you think it could be confirmed? Would you be willing to share with us a recording where you can hear the spirits?
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Have you given any thought to these questions, scrappy?
 
Lets hope it isn't just another outpouring of special pleading, goalpost shifting, vaugery, back-pedalling, straw men, prevarication and hubris.
 
To Alderbank I have no idea why how you did not hear the full sentence in her fathers tone . The GP has heard words. the priest in Nottingham has heard words . 8 further people have heard words , 3 of which confirm there own fathers voice.
I claim to hear the spirits due to 5 months of interaction , Rather than 20 mins in at the deep end .
"Tracy used the word calibrate to a certain poster who used the word himself "
 
The only way we are going to be able to make any progress is to find a protocol that means that paredolia is eliminated as a likely cause. Playing sounds to people isn't going to do that! This has been hashed and rehashed time and time again, but nothing has been forthcoming from flaccon or scrappy. Hand-waving and flapping away pareidolia as an explanation simply isn't enough. So what if 5 million people hear voices, it's completely useless. Anecdotes are useless. The most likely explanation that makes no assumptions that people who are dead can talk is paredolia. The fact that Alderbank and his nephew (along with the 30 people, me included, mentioned on page 58) couldn't hear these voices indicates that they are not there.

If you can't understand these concepts, you are wasting your own and our time as nothing will come of it.
 
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To Alderbank I have no idea why how you did not hear the full sentence in her fathers tone . The GP has heard words. the priest in Nottingham has heard words . 8 further people have heard words , 3 of which confirm there own fathers voice.

"Tracy used the word calibrate to a certain poster who used the word himself "
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Oh! Well, if you say so, I suppose I must believe that your absent witnesses trump Alderbank's perception, along with the 30+ witnesses here who heard nothing but compression noise.

And please stop with the nonsense and stick to sentences that have meaning.

The following, for example, makes less than no sense at all.

"I claim to hear the spirits due to 5 months of interaction , Rather than 20 mins in at the deep end ."

Just how in hell are we supposed to take any of this seriously?

I suggest you either help out with a protocol for testing clear unambiguous claims, or let the grown-ups talk.
 
To Tuxcat I have no idea why Alderbank did not hear the sentence within the recording made with rev Charles with me as witness . It was loud and clear .
 
scrappy said:
To Alderbank I have no idea why how you did not hear the full sentence in her fathers tone . The GP has heard words. the priest in Nottingham has heard words . 8 further people have heard words , 3 of which confirm there own fathers voice.
I claim to hear the spirits due to 5 months of interaction , Rather than 20 mins in at the deep end .
"Tracy used the word calibrate to a certain poster who used the word himself "
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While it's true that aggle-rithm used the word "calibrate" first, in the following context... ↓↓↓↓↓↓

If you are immune from being fooled by your own senses, then congratulations! You are the first human being EVER with this ability!

Forget about winning prize money. You can make a fortune hiring yourself out to calibrate sensitive instruments and such. Or you could be the world's highest paid notary public. I don't know, there's got to be a lucrative practical application for that! It's a bona fide SUPER POWER!!
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...this is a far cry from saying Flaccon doesn't obfuscate the term left and right!
 
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To Pixel42 I have absolutely no idea as to why alderbank did not hear the clear sentences , albeit low volume . Her GP appointment was excellent . Pixel42, Tracy is willing to travel to where you are ,to save you from travelling .Please understand that they are more than just voices on computer .
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You forgot to put a space before the second comma. Otherwise, excellent.
 
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To Tuxcat I have no idea why Alderbank did not hear the sentence within the recording made with rev Charles with me as witness . It was loud and clear .
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Flaccon has claimed that the voices are produced by the playback rather than being part of the recording.
 
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To Tuxcat I have no idea why Alderbank did not hear the sentence within the recording made with rev Charles with me as witness . It was loud and clear .
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Most likely explanation that makes the fewest assumptions is that it's pareidolia. Every single person in the world experiences it. It can be visual or audible; this has been explained time and time again. You cannot just hand-flap away pareidolia just because other people hear meaning in random noise. That is what pareidolia is.

I have said before it doesn't matter how many people hear these voices, that is a red herring.
 
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To Tuxcat I have no idea why Alderbank did not hear the sentence within the recording made with rev Charles with me as witness . It was loud and clear .
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No, it was not loud and clear. This has been established. If the recordings at Flaccon's house had been clear, and Alderbank had just plugged his ears, signing ♪L la la la la ♫, we certainly would have heard an earful from Flaccon. This is not the case.

If you are trying to help, it's not working.
 
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Maurice Ledifficile said:
No, it was not loud and clear. This has been established. If the recordings at Flaccon's house had been clear, and Alderbank just plugged his ears and sang ♪L la la la la ♫, we certainly would have heard an earful from Flaccon. This is not the case.

If you are trying to help, it's not working.
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It's just back-pedalling and special pleading as to why we should ignore the most likely Occams-razor explanation of audio pareidolia.
 
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"Tracy used the word calibrate to a certain poster who used the word himself "
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Again, not true. She spoke to me several times about how she needed to calibrate other computers. She said she intended to buy a new laptop then calibrate it but she would not say what the process was.

flaccon said:
This weekend I concentrated on how to calibrate a second laptop. Mr Roberts emailed me through two silent recordings.
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I wanted to share the news with you (I call it Eureka) of calibrating Mr Roberts laptop via the web.
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She uses the word to describe a very specific procedure. She did it to your computer. What is it?
 
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It's just back-pedalling and special pleading as to why we should ignore the most likely Occams-razor explanation of audio pareidolia.
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Or Scrappy was not properly briefed on flaccon's evershifting goalposts...

He seems to back-up her older propositions.
 
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To Pixel42 I have absolutely no idea as to why alderbank did not hear the clear sentences , albeit low volume .
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I'm pretty sure I know why. Alderbank and his nephew know what pareidolia is, and can therefore recognise when that's all that's going on.

Her GP appointment was excellent
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Did her GP explain to her that everyone experiences pareidolia, and why that explanation has to be eliminated before alternatives should be considered? If not, then her GP appointment was not excellent.

Has her GP been directed to this thread?

Pixel42, Tracy is willing to travel to where you are ,to save you from travelling .
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Why? I know what pareidolia is too, so there's no reason to think my experience would be any different to Alderbank's.

Please understand that they are more than just voices on computer .
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How can I understand that when neither you nor flaccon has given me any reason to think they are even voices on a computer, let alone more than that.
 
Pixel42 said:
I'm pretty sure I know why. Alderbank and his nephew know what pareidolia is, and can therefore recognise when that's all that's going on.


Did her GP explain to her that everyone experiences pareidolia, and why that explanation has to be eliminated before alternatives should be considered? If not, then her GP appointment was not excellent.

Has her GP been directed to this thread?


Why? I know what pareidolia is too, so there's no reason to think my experience would be any different to Alderbank's.


How can I understand that when neither you nor flaccon has given me any reason to think they are even voices on a computer, let alone more than that.
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To be honest with you Pixel, I think that flaccon expects us to just sook up what she's telling us without any form of analysis. The mindset of a woo and a skeptic are vastly different and words like "evidence" to a woo means uncorroborated personal testimony that crumbles under even a cursory glance from a skeptic.
 
It's quite probable - the goalposts are zipping around like a demented bluebottle.
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As are all the proliferating posts in this thread. It's a farce.

Maurice, just unilaterally starting another thread without any agreement as to how to go about using it is just adding to that proliferation. This chaos is just providing flaccon with an excuse not to get serious.

I may have thrown in a joke at the end of my last post, but that was a serious attempt to get this project under some kind of productive control. Or are we all just here for our own pleasure in badgering the geek?
 
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To Maurice yes they are loud and clear . With hands on approach the score is eleven one . I don't know how Flaccon bites her lip as much as she does " probarly because she prefers to remain focused "
 
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