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tuxcat said:
Most likely explanation that makes the fewest assumptions is that it's pareidolia. Every single person in the world experiences it. It can be visual or audible; this has been explained time and time again. You cannot just hand-flap away pareidolia just because other people hear meaning in random noise. That is what pareidolia is.

I have said before it doesn't matter how many people hear these voices, that is a red herring.
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It wouldn't matter if everyone heard the voices; pareidolia would still be the most likely explanation. Even if they all heard the same messages.
 
Mojo said:
It wouldn't matter if everyone heard the voices; pareidolia would still be the most likely explanation. Even if they all heard the same messages.
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That's why flaccon/scrappy telling us that x number of people heard these voices is a red herring - it means nothing at the end of the day. Pareidolia = the best explanation as it contains the fewest assumptions and fits in with how our brains work.
 
scrappy said:
To Maurice yes they are loud and clear . With hands on approach the score is eleven one .
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No, Alderbank's nephew also heard no voices, just sounds that could be interpreted as words by someone who was determined to do so - i.e. pareidolia.

I don't know how Flaccon bites her lip as much as she does " probarly because she prefers to remain focused "
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I assure you the frustration is equally great, if not greater, on our side.
 
scrappy said:
To Maurice yes they are loud and clear . With hands on approach the score is eleven one . I don't know how Flaccon bites her lip as much as she does " probarly because she prefers to remain focused "
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Can you try phrasing this another way? It doesn't make any sense.
 
Tracy has not told one lie . Tracy also offered to play you some of the older recordings containing the demon voice., to which you replied " its best I don't hear any of those "
 
I think as a first step, we could ask flaccon and scrappy to try a little test. Have them both listen to a new recording and without conferring, have them write down exactly what they hear, and then compare afterwards. If what they write down is not identical then they must at least see that the voices are not as clear and unmistakeable as they are claiming.
 
scrappy said:
Tracy has not told one lie . Tracy also offered to play you some of the older recordings containing the demon voice., to which you replied " its best I don't hear any of those "
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You are still not answering how we can discount pareidolia. Unless you answer this question you are on a fools errand and simply chasing a chimera as Randi would say.
 
Professor Yaffle said:
I think as a first step, we could ask flaccon and scrappy to try a little test. Have them both listen to a new recording and without conferring, have them write down exactly what they hear, and then compare afterwards. If what they write down is not identical then they must at least see that the voices are not as clear and unmistakeable as they are claiming.
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Hi professor,

This seems more than reasonable. You should post it in the new and improved protocol thread.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261375
 
scrappy said:
To Maurice yes they are loud and clear . With hands on approach the score is eleven one . I don't know how Flaccon bites her lip as much as she does " probarly because she prefers to remain focused "
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You are not the scorekeeper. Hands on schmandson. Talk is over. Get with the protocol or your claims are moot.
 
To Pixel42 they discussed random images at the beginning of her appointments . Since the GP heard out her evidence , coupled with the past twenty years , not forgetting to mention the bishop and father kennith who helped her family 13 years ago , the GP wrote her a strong letter aimed towards the Bishop of Chester , to no avail , hence why she started this thread . When she mentioned this thread to her GP , he said it was a good idea despite the attitudes .
 
Flaccon and Scrappy: Others on this forum (including me) are losing patience with red herrings, goalpost shifting and prevarication in general. I don't want to be rude but could you kindly get on with telling us what flaccon's spirits can do and how we can test it in the new thread.
 
scrappy said:
To Pixel42 they discussed random images at the beginning of her appointments . Since the GP heard out her evidence , coupled with the past twenty years , not forgetting to mention the bishop and father kennith who helped her family 13 years ago , the GP wrote her a strong letter aimed towards the Bishop of Chester , to no avail , hence why she started this thread .
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Yes, we know that her GP tried to get her help from her church. Whether he did so because he genuinely believes that she's hearing spirit voices, or because he understands that she might be more inclined to accept that she isn't from a bishop rather than from him, we don't know.

When she mentioned this thread to her GP , he said it was a good idea despite the attitudes .
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It is a good idea because of the attitudes, i.e. the desire to establish the truth by eliminating the obvious explanation of pareidolia by careful testing. At least it would be if she paid the slightest attention to anything we've explained to her.
 
scrappy said:
To Pixel42 they discussed random images at the beginning of her appointments . Since the GP heard out her evidence , coupled with the past twenty years , not forgetting to mention the bishop and father kennith who helped her family 13 years ago , the GP wrote her a strong letter aimed towards the Bishop of Chester , to no avail , hence why she started this thread . When she mentioned this thread to her GP , he said it was a good idea despite the attitudes .
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Are you going to stop with the cryptic nonsense about gp letters and bishops?

Try this:

Flaccon's GP sent a letter to Bishop so and so, stating the following: __________.

The Bishop answered with the follwing: ___________________.

What do you mean by "we" started this thread? A while ago you were just one of the witnesses. Now it seems like you're either flaccon herself, or a partner in creating a bogus myth.

Please, enough nonsense. Let's mosey over to the protocol thread and make something happen, other than blabla hands on, blabla calibrate, blabla GP, blablabla. Derp dederp derp.
 
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Pixel42 said:
It is a good idea because of the attitudes, i.e. the desire to establish the truth by eliminating the obvious explanation of pareidolia by careful testing. At least it would be if she paid the slightest attention to anything we've explained to her.
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Exactly - we are not an echo-chamber where she can spout woo that contradicts everything we know about how the world works. If she wants that, go to some other forum with credulous parrots with brains so open they believe everything they are told.
 
scrappy said:
Tracy has not told one lie . Tracy also offered to play you some of the older recordings containing the demon voice., to which you replied " its best I don't hear any of those "
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It's almost like you were there yourself, scrappy. Do you know what a sockpuppet is?

Tracy, as you call her, offered to play me lots and lots of recordings. Hours. She has hundreds of them. Each is named with the words she hears and before playing each one she helpfully explained what words I would hear and the exact point in the recording where I would hear it. She seemed perfectly genuine and was puzzled that I could not hear them also.

I said that it doesn't really matter what I hear. I am no authority. That is why I asked for examples (the best examples) which I could post here. Have you listened to them? We are interested to know what words you hear.

If flaccon wishes to post older recordings of the demon king for me or others to listen to that would be fine. But as previous posters have said, whatever the words are proves nothing except you have a recording.

ETA when I posted I had not read the recent posts above. I do not mean to imply that scrappy is a sockpuppet. I am aware that sockpuppets are not allowed by the MA
 
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Tuxcat I keep answering it . Full sentences in her fathers voice , shouting out names of family members can not be paredolia . Coupled with twenty years of demonic attacks towards her children , her self and her partner clearly spells it is not paredolia . What ever protects her these days is also not paredolia .
 
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Tuxcat I keep answering it . Full sentences in her fathers voice , shouting out names of family members can not be paredolia . Coupled with twenty years of demonic attacks towards her children , her self and her partner clearly spells it is not paredolia . What ever protects her these days is also not paredolia .
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You haven't given me any reason to doubt that pareidolia is the wrong explanation. The onus is on flaccon to provide proof. So far you have done nothing other than prevaricate and waste my time. It's a bit insulting actually just to invent red herrings and flap away pareidolia.

I ask again how can flaccon prove that it is not pareidolia. I don't give a fig about demonic attacks - that is a red herring designed to distract from the question. Demons are fictional characters and have no relevance to making recordings and hearing voices.
 
To Maurice I am willing to go for a pint with Alderbank next wed to introduce my self personally. And I will get the drinks in and show him my I.D .
 
scrappy said:
Tuxcat I keep answering it . Full sentences in her fathers voice , shouting out names of family members can not be paredolia . Coupled with twenty years of demonic attacks towards her children , her self and her partner clearly spells it is not paredolia . What ever protects her these days is also not paredolia .
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Demon attacks? Nonsense. Seems an awful lot like the Chewbacca defense to me.
 
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