Looking for Skeptics

[Maurice Ledifficile]

I understand that the tone of this thread is generally friendly and helpful toward Flaccon’s goal of proving the existence of spirits, so I’m probably a thorn in everyone’s side. I am trying not to be a jerk, but it is becoming increasingly difficult. So I must reiterate my concern with the honesty of her claims.

From Flaccon’s website:

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My name is Tracey Patricia (spirit name; Flaccon) Our aim is to enlighten as many souls as possible. Please state your reason upon booking, Bereft, Grieving, Guidance, Searching a loved one, Spiritual Healing/Enlightenment, curiosity, skepticism. Each situation is treated with utmost respect.]

I notice that the first target customer mentioned is the bereaved. I personally find this utterly appalling.

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For skeptics: We can offer you a £1000 reward, against a £100.00 donation made by yourself to your chosen Charity, if you can debunk "our claim" or simply re-create the "Art work and Voices" in the same style as spirits have created it.
"Claim" = Spirits exist, have voices and are performing amazing art work in millimeters.
P.S. Your chances are slim.. ]

I don’t see any such challenge openly made anywhere in this thread. I won’t name anyone, but I know a few members who could recreate this nonsense in a heartbeat (well, maybe not that fast, but pretty fast).

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*Spiritual Guidance/Cleansing/Healing*
*Guaranteed Contact Every time *
* Messages from loved ones *
Hours of business: Afternoons/Evenings.]


As I see it at the moment, your site is nothing more than a front for a despicable scam aimed at making a profit off people who are genuinely missing loved ones, some of whom could be quite desperate and ready to believe your nonsense, and to fork out their hard earned money in the process.

I see little difference between Chapter23 and Novus Spiritus or any other nonsense scam, for that matter. Because it is a scam.

Perhaps you didn’t know that this type of business is not harmless or benign. Perhaps you thought it’s just a bit of fun. You might even think it is a helpful way to counsel the bereaved, as John Edward thinks. It’s not. It is a despicable endeavor. If you have an ounce of integrity, you will shut down your fraudulent business.

That is all.

 

[Biscuit]

The problem is that pareidolia explains too much. If I observe a painting and say it's an image of a woman, how am I to distinguish art from pareidolia? I think I'm reading what you wrote as it appears on my screen, but I'm not sure I could defend against a claim that I am just reconstructing random dots.

If an explanation is to be the default, we need some clear way to tell that our explanation is incorrect when it is incorrect. And this method may run afoul of the human/spirit attribute of agency.

I think we've all accepted there is a phenomenon here. There's a "something," even if that something turns out to be outright trolling and prevarication. I was suggesting another method to try. Provisionally accept all the claims as stated and participate in the experience, relying on, at some point, an inability to sustain belief. I want to use the Bible to disprove the Bible by first granting everything in the Bible as true.

Why would you need to? There is no need to challenge the claim that you see a woman in a painting. Art is subjective and interpretive.

 

[Cassidy]

Talk, talk talk. You say you are against what Sylvia does, yet you do the exact same thing... Interesting isn't it?

Delete the fraudulent claims from your website. Otherwise you're just another Sylvia with a poorly written website.

Maurice, in hope that you will hold off your outrageous commands, I will go log into the site and read it, with full concentration. I will omit any claims I believe are not valid. Although by now I am sure that you realise, that the website is purely for the purpose of exposing to the people, what the Bishop will not accept. I have no idea who Sylvia is, I assume she's a psychic.

It is more interesting that you read my criticism of psychics, and still convince yourself that I am one. There will be psychic's who have fine senses, and are completely aware of the spirit-world, but then their imagination takes over, and they believe what they are doing IS for the good. Most are out to knowingly shark us.

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Maurice, in hope that you will hold off your outrageous commands, I will go log into the site and read it, with full concentration. I will omit any claims I believe are not valid. Although by now I am sure that you realise, that the website is purely for the purpose of exposing to the people, what the Bishop will not accept. I have no idea who Sylvia is, I assume she's a psychic.

It is more interesting that you read my criticism of psychics, and still convince yourself that I am one. There will be psychic's who have fine senses, and are completely aware of the spirit-world, but then their imagination takes over, and they believe what they are doing IS for the good. Most are out to knowingly shark us.

I'm referring to Syliva Browne, of course. The poster child for mediums. They are all frauds. All of them.

 

[Cassidy]

Why would you need to? There is no need to challenge the claim that you see a woman in a painting. Art is subjective and interpretive.

If Paredolia isn't a suffering, and assuming I have Paredolia, then why am I experiencing Paradolia to the point of suffering?

 

[Cassidy]

I'm referring to Syliva Browne, of course. The poster child for mediums. They are all frauds. All of them.

I'm not familiar with her name sorry. They mostly have just the one name in my opinion.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

flaccon, have you asked the spirits Pixel's name yet? You said you were waiting for the noise around you to die down. It's now ten to midnight in the UK, so it should be about as quiet as it's going to get.

Have you tried creating a silent sound file and asking a question using that? You said you were going to. Why haven't you?

 

[marplots]

Why would you need to? There is no need to challenge the claim that you see a woman in a painting. Art is subjective and interpretive.

We want to distinguish pareidolia from art because we want to know something about how the image came to be. We want to know who the author is. Is it authored by another being or merely "authored" by my own mind?

 

[Maurice Ledifficile]

I'm not familiar with her name sorry. They mostly have just the one name in my opinion.

I'm pointing out that your website is a front for a despicable scam aiming to take advantage of people who are suffering the loss of loved ones. You tell me mediums only have one name in your opinion. Do you see a problem with that?

 

[wardenclyffe]

If Paredolia isn't a suffering, and assuming I have Paredolia, then why am I experiencing Paradolia to the point of suffering?

This is not the first time that you have suggested that these experiences are not necessarily positive. Am I right that you would prefer that this communication did not happen, but you feel compelled to continue the communication with the spirits because of the potential importance? I don't want to put words in your mouth. I'm just trying to understand your feelings related to these experiences. Part of it sounds very positive, but you keep suggesting that there's a much darker side to all of this.

Ward

 

[Stray Cat]

I'm not familiar with her name sorry. They mostly have just the one name in my opinion.

You wrote this earlier this evening:

If I'd of had any strong opinion in those days, it would have been to create a group, to stop the Psychic's and the Sylvia's, legally.

Now you say you don't know who Sylvia is.

 

[SezMe]

If Paredolia isn't a suffering, and assuming I have Paredolia, then why am I experiencing Paradolia to the point of suffering?

In spite of your insisting that you understand paredolia, your use of the highlighted word suggests otherwise. Paredolia is a description of a process that occurs in every human brain. It is not something that some "have" while others don't. Think of it as you would consciousness, it is something your brain does, not something that you brain has.

 

[Cassidy]

That the voice would sound familiar is exactly what I would expect in the case of audio pareidolia. It's the same with visual. Your brain seeks out what it knows to organize chaotic information it receives.

ETA: I am assuming all the people that have confirmed this were told it was your father's voice before they listened and were told the words to listen for?

You have said several times that this started when you were recording the "cracks" in your walls IIRC? Do you mean you were recording the sound of your house settling due to temp and humidity changes?

Yes I told family member's that some of the voices belong to deceased family members. It was more "sprung upon" with my eldest brother in Wndermere, we went through my sister's voice (deceased sister) I opened up a new file and played a second file, I asked who he thought this next voice belongs to. Immediate recognition, lowered and shook his head, his exact reply was "That's Reg, he never spoke much, he shouted though, and there's no mistaking that shout is Reg"

I have lived in this area for 11 years. I know what warning signs to look out for of the supernatural. This is a detached bungalow. I am completely familiar with noises of a settling house. This house hadn't creaked for 8 years. Any creaks due to settling, if any, have gone unnoticed.

Your remark, the Bible comment, that was class.

(Pixel42, please note, when the birds stopped at 10pm, I tried our tester, and I heard "Where's the bl**dy Priest, send a message" - "Go to the Police St" (I don't do the Police St request, or write to the Priest no more) But I did hear him say that it is acceptable for me to upload a few examples. I hear there's a post regarding an email account, brilliant idea, and will do this. I will also upload a "new" voice I only heard recently, its EVP electronic type. Looking forward to hearing from those who have decent sound equipment)

 

[SezMe]

Oh cool. If were doing it this way. I have a legit request. One of my friends good friend suddenly died the other day. This woman died two days after the father she had been taking care of died. They are at this minute preparing the body. I have literally just spoken to the woman who was helping to prepare the body of her friend.<snip>

Ok for the purposes of this test <snip>

Everyone in this thread is trying to focus on finding and conducting a test of flaccon's claims. A test that we all can comment on, observe, and assess for ourselves. Please don't derail this thread with you own personal question, one that is exclusive to you.

Everyone please be mature and don't get stupid.

Indeed.

 

[SezMe]

I have taken no offence to certain ridicule, accusation and sarcasm here, it's been expected. I've learned a lot here in just a few days. Links, suggestions, idea's, it's been a pleasure to acknowledge.

I don't think there's been any ridicule, accusation and sarcasm here. In fact, I'd give a high five for everyone here who has engaged in the thread in a positive manner. And I include you in that high five, falccon. Sure, some of us get snippy now and then but we're only human. Please take all the posts as being in the spirit of the thread and ignore the ones you cannot.

ETA Holy crap, you are over 30 and you've never heard of pareidolia before? And you say you were a sceptic?

See, there's one you can just ignore.

 

[SezMe]

If Alderbank reports that there is nothing worthy of an investigation, I will apologise to you all, and respectfully leave this site.

I'll echo what others have said. No matter the outcome, hang around. You'll be hard pressed to find a more informative, lively educational source on the web.

 

[Cassidy]

You wrote this earlier this evening:


Now you say you don't know who Sylvia is.

Straycat it is not difficult to understand, I did not do any homework on Sylvia before, or after Maurice mentioned her. I took it for granted that Sylvia is a psychic. I still won't be googling her, or the likes of.

 

[AdMan]

I hear there's a post regarding an email account, brilliant idea, and will do this. I will also upload a "new" voice I only heard recently, its EVP electronic type. Looking forward to hearing from those who have decent sound equipment)

I'm not sure the gmail account is the best way to share the audio files. They may flag or block an account with unusual activity (i.e., accessed by different computers in different countries).

Why not just use a file sharing service? (You can Google for one or just choose one from here: http://www.ebizmba.com/articles/file-sharing-websites.)

You can then post the link to the file(s) and remain as anonymous as you want.

 

[wardenclyffe]

(Pixel42, please note, when the birds stopped at 10pm, I tried our tester, and I heard "Where's the bl**dy Priest, send a message" - "Go to the Police St" (I don't do the Police St request, or write to the Priest no more) But I did hear him say that it is acceptable for me to upload a few examples. I hear there's a post regarding an email account, brilliant idea, and will do this. I will also upload a "new" voice I only heard recently, its EVP electronic type. Looking forward to hearing from those who have decent sound equipment)

I'm not sure I understand. You asked about a name and the spirits did not answer your question but instead ordered you to do other things. Is that accurate? Does Police St mean Police Street or Police Station or something else? I'm just a little confused.

Thanks,
Ward

 

[Cassidy]

I'll echo what others have said. No matter the outcome, hang around. You'll be hard pressed to find a more informative, lively educational source on the web.

Sifting through youtube was a good source, I can't click any youtube links up at present however. I'd love to hang around, and I will do thank u. The time I am spending here for now, is time worth spending. Then hopefully I am away from these premises.
Truth is, I can see the truth to all of these 20 years, and I know how it's going to rock the boat, and whilst it rocks the boat of everything we've ever believed in, I imagine it will also rock the boat of the darker forces. I'm afraid the spirit-world doesn't just hold good-natured spirit's.