Looking for Skeptics

[Maurice Ledifficile]

Maybe that was not clear? I held the sceptic belief, until I was 30. I was the type of sceptic that had no interest in the slightest. One thing's for certain, had the internet existed in those days, I certainly wouldn't have joined a sceptic group. If I'd of had any strong opinion in those days, it would have been to create a group, to stop the Psychic's and the Sylvia's, legally. Anything morally incorrect, should be illegal by law.

I do not care for prizes, or gold star's, I only care for seeking the truth.

Talk, talk talk. You say you are against what Sylvia does, yet you do the exact same thing... Interesting isn't it?

Delete the fraudulent claims from your website. Otherwise you're just another Sylvia with a poorly written website.

 

[Biscuit]

I'm not left with much to say, I've said about as much as possible. Nothing so far, has accounted as an explanation for the voice of my Father, other than for what it is, his spirit.

That the voice would sound familiar is exactly what I would expect in the case of audio pareidolia. It's the same with visual. Your brain seeks out what it knows to organize chaotic information it receives.

ETA: I am assuming all the people that have confirmed this were told it was your father's voice before they listened and were told the words to listen for?

You have said several times that this started when you were recording the "cracks" in your walls IIRC? Do you mean you were recording the sound of your house settling due to temp and humidity changes?

 

[Stray Cat]

Maybe that was not clear? I held the sceptic belief, until I was 30.

More sidetracking and I'm sorry for running with it, but there is no such thing as "sceptic belief" for you to even say tells me you don't know what a sceptic is.

I was the type of sceptic that had no interest in the slightest.

So not a sceptic then... simply someone with no interest?

One thing's for certain, had the internet existed in those days, I certainly wouldn't have joined a sceptic group.

Of course you wouldn't, you'd have had no idea what a sceptic was back then either, you had no interest in the slightest.

If I'd of had any strong opinion in those days, it would have been to create a group, to stop the Psychic's and the Sylvia's, legally.

So you had no interest in the slightest to the extent that you felt strongly enough about psychics that you would have campaigned against them... ironically you have become one.

Anything morally incorrect, should be illegal by law.

Different people and different cultures have different morals.
And things which are illegal are already illegal by law (what other way would there be?)

I do not care for prizes, or gold star's, I only care for seeking the truth.

You claim to already know the truth and it appears that you simply wish for it to be confirmed by other people. Sadly it can only be confirmed by examining the evidence.

 

[Cassidy]

But you keep refusing to do anything about providing the "solid evidence" you keep claiming to have.


But you claim that these spirits want to be heard.
This looks more and more like another excuse as to why you can't provide the "solid evidence" you claim to have... Apparently it was a game of Scrabble the other night that prevented you from getting the spirits message out to people who are offering to help.


I'm pleased that you haven't taken any offence, I too haven't taken offence at your apparent insincere statement that you could and would send people the files containing the "solid evidence" and then finding excuses as to why you can't/wont do it.
You appear to be putting more effort into not providing the evidence while the helpful sceptics are making extreme effort to help you to verify your claims.

I'm through justifying my sincerity. There is a real difference between excuses and reasons. Would you chuck a loved one's voice all over the internet? I offered those with external sound, a file via email. Trust is a huge issue that has to work both ways. Seriously, I got more than I expected from this site. I am trusting a gentleman, with a good solid background, who will either say no, it is not worthy of further investigation, or yes, it's worthy. After dealing with terrified & ignorant family member's, an outsider other than close friends, is a great start.

 

[bluesjnr]

I'm through justifying my sincerity. There is a real difference between excuses and reasons. Would you chuck a loved one's voice all over the internet? I offered those with external sound, a file via email. Trust is a huge issue that has to work both ways. Seriously, I got more than I expected from this site. I am trusting a gentleman, with a good solid background, who will either say no, it is not worthy of further investigation, or yes, it's worthy. After dealing with terrified & ignorant family member's, an outsider other than close friends, is a great start.

There's a world of difference between you offering to do something and actually doing it!

I don't think you are sincere at all.

 

[Pixel42]

Still waiting to hear what the spirits think my name is.

 

[Biscuit]

Would you chuck a loved one's voice all over the internet?

I thought there were lots of voices, why not chuck one of the other voices up? Maybe one of the scientists you talked about earlier in this thread?

Also I thought your father was encouraging you to share his voice and wanted you to build an even better device so that all could hear him?

I know you have lots of posts to reply to but if you could address the questions I asked earlier in regards to the spirits telling you to do things I would be appreciative.

 

[wardenclyffe]

When the noises die down here I will do yes, interesting test. I live next to a cow field, the birds and tractor's are picked up easily. I wont force evidence on anyone, I'm just saying, it's here when your ready to trust.

flaccon,

If the spirits do give you Pixel42's real name, you should first PM Pixel42 and ask if it's OK for you to publish it here. It's against the rules to give anyone's real-life info in the forum without their permission. If Pixel42 gives you the go-ahead (whether the name is right or wrong), then you can post it here.

I just don't want you to get in trouble with the moderators here if the name the spirits gives you is correct.

Good Luck,
Ward

 

[Cassidy]

Wow I can't imagine how disappointing it must be for someone to be so convinced they are on to something only to find out it's a simple case of pareidolia.

Here's a hint though for the future. If you need to draw lines and circle things so that people will be able to "See" what you see then it's really based on interpretation.

Another clue is asking people to "squint" when they look at it. If they need to do that it's not what you think it is.

This is wow. So weird.

ETA Holy crap, you are over 30 and you've never heard of pareidolia before? And you say you were a sceptic?

You think I would feel upset if this wasn't real? Disappointed in the fact that my loved ones really are at rest? Either way is jubilation for me.

 

[Dumb All Over]

A great example of paraedolia I just saw on facebook (sorry to non facebook users if you can't see it).

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...0674061.138147.526563767370019&type=1&theater

Looks like a CAT Scan.

 

[Cassidy]

flaccon,

If the spirits do give you Pixel42's real name, you should first PM Pixel42 and ask if it's OK for you to publish it here. It's against the rules to give anyone's real-life info in the forum without their permission. If Pixel42 gives you the go-ahead (whether the name is right or wrong), then you can post it here.

I just don't want you to get in trouble with the moderators here if the name the spirits gives you is correct.

Good Luck,
Ward

Thanks Ward, I didn't mention Alderbank's name for such reason. I was hoping to be able to type out my landline, and delete it after 24 hours. But being new, I didn't realise that I cannot delete from other member's quotes. At the end of the day it's a landline that can be changed within a couple of days.

 

[wardenclyffe]

Thanks Ward, I didn't mention Alderbank's name for such reason. I was hoping to be able to type out my landline, and delete it after 24 hours. But being new, I didn't realise that I cannot delete from other member's quotes. At the end of the day it's a landline that can be changed within a couple of days.

Oh, you are allowed to post your own contact information. It might not be wise, but you are allowed to do it. But you are not allowed to post someone else's (without permission). I suspect that Pixel42 will grant permission if asked. Either the spirits will be right about the name and that will be exciting or the spirits will be wrong about the name and that will also be interesting.

Again, good luck,
Ward

 

[Cassidy]

I thought there were lots of voices, why not chuck one of the other voices up? Maybe one of the scientists you talked about earlier in this thread?

Also I thought your father was encouraging you to share his voice and wanted you to build an even better device so that all could hear him?

I know you have lots of posts to reply to but if you could address the questions I asked earlier in regards to the spirits telling you to do things I would be appreciative.

Biscuit I did reply, I gave over in detail, please check. The only post I haven't replied to is one containing a link "Cassanda curse" and I really need to get back to that.

Yes he encourages, but I do hold the reigns. I can't subject him to ridicule for one. There is also the respect of how immediate family members are likely to feel about that.

 

[Stray Cat]

I'm through justifying my sincerity.

Justifying it is not the same as taking action to show it.

There is a real difference between excuses and reasons.

Yes, reasons have reasoning, that's why they're called reasons.
What was the reasoning behind finishing a game of scrabble and then forgetting all about what you said you'd do after you'd finished your game of Scrabble?

Excuses simply excuse you from doing what you say you're going to do.

Would you chuck a loved one's voice all over the internet?

If I was claiming to have evidence that would mean that science and religion had to rethink their very foundations, I would do everything in my power to verify that my evidence was genuine. If I was simply seeking attention on the internet, I'd enjoy making the claims and promising jam tomorrow.

I offered those with external sound, a file via email.

Yes and for reasons which are becoming more apparent I declined to give you my email address. I offered a viable easy and free alternative that would allow us both to remain objective.

Trust is a huge issue that has to work both ways.

No it doesn't. If people wish to blindly trust me then great, that doesn't mean that I have to blindly trust them. But let's take your logic and sway it around: Mistrust is a huge issue and it has to work both ways.
Now Soundcloud allows us both to mistrust or trust each other and move forward with examining the evidence you claim to have. The file only needs to be up there for an hour at the most, then you can delete it if you're not comfortable with it being there (not that anyone except you and anyone you personally told would even know about it).

However, if you're not willing to do that I'll accept that you're not willing to share the evidence for examination and that you made a mistake suggesting that you were. But if you're not willing to share the evidence and have it verified, stop citing it as proof of anything.

Seriously, I got more than I expected from this site. I am trusting a gentleman, with a good solid background, who will either say no, it is not worthy of further investigation, or yes, it's worthy.

I know you're convinced your evidence is conclusive but just what if he say's it's not worthy? Are you prepared to accept that or will you dismiss his opinion as easily as you dismissed our suggestions here on the forum?
Are you prepared to learn why it's not worthy?
I'd certainly be prepared to learn more about it if it turns out to be genuine spirit voices.

 

[DuvalHMFIC]

Not sure if anyone else held your name up to the mirror, but if I did it right, it seems to spell your name Tracey, correct?

 

[Pixel42]

I suspect that Pixel42 will grant permission if asked.

I have no problem with flaccon posting what the spirits tell her my name is, whether right or wrong.

 

[wardenclyffe]

I have no problem with flaccon posting what the spirits tell her my name is, whether right or wrong.

Done and done.

Ward

 

[Biscuit]

Biscuit I did reply, I gave over in detail, please check. The only post I haven't replied to is one containing a link "Cassanda curse" and I really need to get back to that.

Yes he encourages, but I do hold the reigns. I can't subject him to ridicule for one. There is also the respect of how immediate family members are likely to feel about that.

OK I will look for your answers, thanks.

Forget your father's voice then and upload one of the other voices you have mentioned.

ETA: I found your answer, thanks.

 

[truethat]

Oh cool. If were doing it this way. I have a legit request. One of my friends good friend suddenly died the other day. This woman died two days after the father she had been taking care of died. They are at this minute preparing the body. I have literally just spoken to the woman who was helping to prepare the body of her friend.

So just see if you can get the name of the woman who died, and the name of the friend.

This is a "brand new death" so to speak, so it should be quite easy I think? No?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

If Alderbank reports that there is nothing worthy of an investigation, I will apologise to you all, and respectfully leave this site.

I would prefer it if you stuck around and tried to learn something. Many of our most valuable posters came here labouring under one misapprehension or another, just as it seems likely you are.

You have nothing to apologise for, but you should be prepared to look into your claim with a truly open mind - which means following what the evidence shows, and being prepared to admit that you could be wrong.

When the noises die down here I will do yes, interesting test. I live next to a cow field, the birds and tractor's are picked up easily. I wont force evidence on anyone, I'm just saying, it's here when your ready to trust.

You don't need to wait for the outside noises to die down if you create a silent file. You've been told how to do this using Audacity.

Would you chuck a loved one's voice all over the internet? I offered those with external sound, a file via email. Trust is a huge issue that has to work both ways.

flaccon, if the issue is trust, then there's no difference between Soundcloud and email. Say you upload the file to Soundcloud and then PM Cat and I the link, then only Cat and I can download the file. If you email Cat and I the file, then only Cat and I have been sent the file. In both cases, however, you're trusting us not to share it. In actuality, once we've got the file, we could do anything we wanted with it, including uploading it to Soundcloud ourselves and putting a link to the file in our signatures.* If you're worried about the link being "chuck[ed] [...] all over the internet", then email does nothing to change the possibility of that happening.

It's up to you whether you trust us with the files or not. I would, however, posit that it's less trusting to send a short audio clip to two posters who have been on this site for a while than it is to invite someone who nobody on this site knows into your home. Or, indeed, to give out your telephone number, from which your home address can be found.

*Well, we couldn't quite do that, as that would be copyright violation, which is against board rules, but I hope you understand my point.