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Pixel42 said:
Pareidolia is only the null hypothesis when there is believed to be no conscious mind that could be responsible for the image or sound.

Wardencliffe has PM'd me my name. Clearly there is a way of obtaining this information so it's not a suitable test, though it's moot anyway because flaccon was unable to get this information from her recordings.
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And no spirits told me.

Ward
 
Maurice Ledifficile said:
I understand that the tone of this thread is generally friendly and helpful toward Flaccon’s goal of proving the existence of spirits, so I’m probably a thorn in everyone’s side. I am trying not to be a jerk, but it is becoming increasingly difficult. So I must reiterate my concern with the honesty of her claims.

From Flaccon’s website:

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My name is Tracey Patricia (spirit name; Flaccon) Our aim is to enlighten as many souls as possible. Please state your reason upon booking, Bereft, Grieving, Guidance, Searching a loved one, Spiritual Healing/Enlightenment, curiosity, skepticism. Each situation is treated with utmost respect.]

I notice that the first target customer mentioned is the bereaved. I personally find this utterly appalling.

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For skeptics: We can offer you a £1000 reward, against a £100.00 donation made by yourself to your chosen Charity, if you can debunk "our claim" or simply re-create the "Art work and Voices" in the same style as spirits have created it.
"Claim" = Spirits exist, have voices and are performing amazing art work in millimeters.
P.S. Your chances are slim.. ;)]

I don’t see any such challenge openly made anywhere in this thread. I won’t name anyone, but I know a few members who could recreate this nonsense in a heartbeat (well, maybe not that fast, but pretty fast).

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*Spiritual Guidance/Cleansing/Healing*
*Guaranteed Contact Every time *
* Messages from loved ones *
Hours of business: Afternoons/Evenings.]


As I see it at the moment, your site is nothing more than a front for a despicable scam aimed at making a profit off people who are genuinely missing loved ones, some of whom could be quite desperate and ready to believe your nonsense, and to fork out their hard earned money in the process.

I see little difference between Chapter23 and Novus Spiritus or any other nonsense scam, for that matter. Because it is a scam.

Perhaps you didn’t know that this type of business is not harmless or benign. Perhaps you thought it’s just a bit of fun. You might even think it is a helpful way to counsel the bereaved, as John Edward thinks. It’s not. It is a despicable endeavor. If you have an ounce of integrity, you will shut down your fraudulent business.

That is all.


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FYI.. the website has not been advertised anywhere, nor will it be advertised until I'm satisfied it's correct. Please try to stop thinking that my plan is to build up a site for personal gain. My business is based in Lancahire. I wouldn't be trying to advertise it here would I? If I wanted a business out of it, I'd certainly lose the story, or at the least, plumb for less drama.

I'll predict this, you will believe that I have "staged" these recordings that I'm to upload into that email addy. I'll challenge you with a £10 donation to the JREF, if that is the case. Seriously "scum bags" and the dis-honest, and those who simply lost respect and got restless, in any profession, are in for a drastic career change.

This isn't just a bit of fun.
 
May I make a suggestion to the skeptics/sceptics reading this.

Please proceed to read what seems like the first two chapters of Flaccon's book. (I guess we're going to be Chapter 3?)

http://www.chapter23.org/Spirits-in-the-Blood.html

It's difficult because the prose is fairly horrid, but it's a HUGE eye-opener. Among other things of note, just a few things I picked up:

> Numerous people have suggested that Flaccon get professional help.
> She also makes reference to a few people who've said that she's gone completely over the edge.
> Reg (who I believe is "dad") referred her to The DaVinci Code as a reference book. :D
> I'm not sure if I get it right, but apparently the website, Chapter 23, may be referring to revelations she got in Chapter 23 of the a.m. "reference".
> The "bad spirit" that she seems to have had previous trouble with was confirmed by Reg to be none other than Judas.
> Judas tormented and tortured her, broke up her family by also tormenting family members, but Reg and The Good Spirits healed her.

I think you might want to put any thoughts of having a rational exchange with Flaccon on hold.
 
Foolmewunz said:
I think you might want to put any thoughts of having a rational exchange with Flaccon on hold.
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That's an enlightening link to her writings--thanks.

We had speculated simple pareidolia early on. In her writings she denies delusion, despite her extravagant (to put it mildly) claims. Unless she's making it all up on purpose (which could very well be the case--the crappy pulpy prose makes me suspect it might be), I think professional help should be in the cards.

I can perhaps see why she keeps equating pareidolia to a medical condition, despite being corrected about that apparent confusion numerous times in this thread.

In any case, I think we should keep in mind there may be other complex non-supernatural explanations aside from just pareidolia for what is being reported.
 
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Alderbank said:
Flaccon, you have completely ignored my posts #315 and #347.

Why?
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Sorry Alderbank, I've completely missed them, I was wondering why you hadn't contacted yet, so I sorted out some files to upload. I shall go and reply to them now.
 
flaccon said:
FYI.. the website has not been advertised anywhere, nor will it be advertised until I'm satisfied it's correct. Please try to stop thinking that my plan is to build up a site for personal gain. My business is based in Lancahire. I wouldn't be trying to advertise it here would I? If I wanted a business out of it, I'd certainly lose the story, or at the least, plumb for less drama.

I'll predict this, you will believe that I have "staged" these recordings that I'm to upload into that email addy. I'll challenge you with a £10 donation to the JREF, if that is the case. Seriously "scum bags" and the dis-honest, and those who simply lost respect and got restless, in any profession, are in for a drastic career change.

This isn't just a bit of fun.
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As I mentioned, all the scammers claim they make no profit.

You sell snake oil. The evidence is all over the post you quoted. Your site offers healing and guaranteed contact with dead loved ones. It's a scam. I don't like these types of despicable scams one bit, so I'm a jerk about it.

Why should I help you delude yourself into thinking you have something worth investigating, and that you have a shot at a skeptic prize? You don't. All you have is stories about demons, spirits, djinns, healing and contact with dead loved ones. Never mind icke and the chemtrails and all the jeebus nonsense.

If mental illness is ruled out, you still have nothing. You won't work out a protocol, let alone beat the pros.
 
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flaccon said:
FYI.. the website has not been advertised anywhere, nor will it be advertised until I'm satisfied it's correct.
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Your website IS an advertisement. Any bereaved person googling for someone who can help them contact their deceased loved one who came across it would take it as such. Advertising standards apply to websites, and require that any claims made for services be supported by evidence. That's real evidence, not beliefs, however sincerely held.

So let's get back to how we can help you either obtain that evidence, or accept that your beliefs are mistaken. The name idea was a bust. Providing audio files for knowledgeable posters here to examine is the next step, but that alone won't be enough as you yourself acknowledge. So what's needed is for you to respond to Alderbank's requests to discuss the details of what you propose to demonstrate at a face to face meeting. Then those posters within driving distance (including me) can decide whether the trip is justified.
 
Alderbank said:
Flaccon, have you thought about what you would like to do when we meet up? Adman gave you some good ideas in post #42 as did Pixel in post #48. I note you have not commented on any of these yet.

I can bring along cards and envelopes or anything else you ask for.

If you would like to change any of their protocols at all, this is the ideal forum to discuss it
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Found it, sorry. I would think it best if we asked the spirits. I do believe once you hear them, there will be no need for testing to see if they are actually spirits, but I do have coloured card, envelope's etc. I am happy with your choice of day, and I can confirm that I will not invite another, to bear witness.

(I'm sure I replied somewhere, explaining Sunday is not a necessary day now that we don't require a witness?)
 
When I offered up the friend who had just recently died, i was not trying to 'turn it into a personal thing about me." I was being sincere. This woman suddenly died and her best friend is devastated. If it was possible to speak from the other side I am super sure that this friend would be trying to contact her now. And the bereaved friend is a real believer in this sort of thing. So it's a totally "open and willing" situation.

Nothing would please me more than to be able to give her the message. The body has not even been buried yet.
 
wardenclyffe said:
I don't necessarily think it's fair to just bombard the spirits with trivia questions. In the case of Pixel42's real name, the spirits acknowledged that they were aware of Pixel42's interest in their existence and commented P42's attitude. That suggests that they have information about that individual. It doesn't mean they know everything about everyone in this world or the next. If we can just jump this one hurdle we will have accomplished something.

Ward
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I don't mean to skip posts, I keep finding ones I've missed. I understand not all the posts require replying to, but I believe even the worse of critical thinking, respects a reply. Moving on..
 
truethat said:
When I offered up the friend who had just recently died, i was not trying to 'turn it into a personal thing about me." I was being sincere. This woman suddenly died and her best friend is devastated. If it was possible to speak from the other side I am super sure that this friend would be trying to contact her now. And the bereaved friend is a real believer in this sort of thing. So it's a totally "open and willing" situation.

Nothing would please me more than to be able to give her the message. The body has not even been buried yet.
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My sincere condolences. I'm uploading files when Adman gives me the log in details Please listen in and tell your friend, that it is highly likely that her best friend is still with her. Are you UK based?
 
flaccon said:
My sincere condolences. I'm uploading files when Adman gives me the log in details Please listen in and tell your friend, that it is highly likely that her best friend is still with her. Are you UK based?
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Use your current email and send the audio files to flaccon4test@gmail.com.

You don't need any other log-in details.

Is there a problem?
 
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flaccon said:
I don't mean to skip posts, I keep finding ones I've missed.
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If you click on the little "go to first unread post" button (just in front of the thread title) you will never miss a post.

You don't need to login to anything to send an email to an email address.
 
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