Scott Sommers
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I'm starting this thread so as to not sidetrack Oystein's original thread about AE9/11T membership and the ReThink911 ad campaign.
I originally made this remark about the mental health of 9/11 Truthers.
It was followed by a thoughtful reply from ergo,
This in turn was followed by a reply from Oz1976 listing some infamous crazy Truthers.
I'd just like to add that my original post was referring to members of grassroots organizations like AE9/11T and We Are Change. If the thread continues, I'll try and list some of their membership that appears to be unbalanced.
I originally made this remark about the mental health of 9/11 Truthers.
I hope this isn't too off topic, but this is a really good point, and may be one of the defining properties of conspiracy theory versus social issue. I have long maintained that a meaningful portion of the street level activities for 9/11 Truth show some level of mental illness. Gage himself might not be one of these, but at least some of his organizers may be. Some of the contacts he lists on his website are involved in astrology and other 'alternative' knowledge systems. Some are also activists for right-wing political groups. Some of the activists that I have been in touch with, but not part of gage's organization have medical histories that include mental illness, drug addiction and criminal records. So you have this web of disturbed people doing the leg work convincing well-meaning philanthropists that 9/11 Truth is still alive and an issue worth supporting.
It was followed by a thoughtful reply from ergo,
Not sure I should bother answering this question after reading post #50, which demonstrates, once again, that you're neither honest nor sincere. I've never seen a violent 9/11 truth demonstration, nor have I ever seen signs of mentally disturbed action among 9/11 truthers. Most of the 9/11 truth people I've met are intelligent people who support peace and justice. You live in Taiwan, so I wonder where in fact you're witnessing these gatherings you make so many claims about. In addition, I've already shown here on this forum that there are far more disturbed and volatile people who believe in the 9/11 official story AND who act out in the name of that alleged cause. From both a logical and statistical standpoint, you're the ones whose mental health we need to be concerned about. You need to let that fact sink in.
As for your above question, of course. There are many, many architects and engineers who know something is not right with the official 9/11 story. Far more than are willing to put their names out publicly. Many of the testimonies of those who have come to sign the A&E petition talk about having first of all accepted the official story - until they actually looked into it themselves, often years later. Tony Szamboti states he doesn't know a single engineer who has honestly looked into it, who doesn't ultimately acknowledge there's a problem. The problem is, like most people, most A & E's haven't, and the ongoing campaign to discredit such inquiries does scare people off, as it does me at times.
Nevertheless, I am continually shocked at the numbers of people who still have never heard of WTC 7, or what happened to it that day, including someone I thought I knew quite well, as I discovered last month. So this is clearly an area that needs public awareness. Even if people are willing to believe, or at least not question (because they don't think they are qualified to) that the Twin Towers self-destructed in under 15 seconds from gravity forces, they have a harder time understanding WTC 7. Building 7 almost kind of sits on the outskirts of their consciousness with regard to what happened that day. It doesn't fit into the picture they've been given (one that is already logically strained) so it has to kind of just sit there like a white elephant until their minds can piece together a more logical conclusion.
Folks like yourself will never know, Scott, because you're so deeply invested in propagating a certain caricature of 9/11 truth that you wouldn't be able to see anything that was real or true if it was staring you in the face. One has to wonder, of course, why you're so invested; that's a psychological study of a different kind.
This in turn was followed by a reply from Oz1976 listing some infamous crazy Truthers.
Jared Loughner - truther
Phillip Marshall - truther
Boston Bombers - truthers
Truther Defaces Priceless Louvre Painting
James Von Brunn - truther/holocaust denier
Sean Fitzgerald - WAC truther
Manny Badillo - truther pedophile
yeap...they're all sane and non-violent peace loving individuals.
I'd just like to add that my original post was referring to members of grassroots organizations like AE9/11T and We Are Change. If the thread continues, I'll try and list some of their membership that appears to be unbalanced.