Merged ReThink911 - a Richard Gage ad campaign

Oystein said:
They are at 1,928 right now, and have in recent months received 20 or less new actual A&E signatures.
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No, I think the opposite is true. It was only a couple of months ago that I noticed they had hit the 1,800 mark, so there's been some kind of surge in the last couple of months.
 
But nice, yet again, to see 9/11 bedunkers caring so much. :)
 
ergo said:
No, I think the opposite is true. It was only a couple of months ago that I noticed they had hit the 1,800 mark, so there's been some kind of surge in the last couple of months.
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Serious question here ergo. Do you think this means there still is hope for the future of 9/11 Truth? Do you really think there are scads of architects and construction professionals who suspect 'something was up' at 9/11? And firefighters, as well?

Seriously, is this what you think?
 
ergo said:
No, I think the opposite is true. It was only a couple of months ago that I noticed they had hit the 1,800 mark, so there's been some kind of surge in the last couple of months.
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This surge was mainly due to them scraping the barrel and doing late verifications on signatures submitted last year and even 2011. Yes, the signature count rose by a whopping 77 in April, but the average date that those 77 signed up was mid-October. There were only 20 new signatures in April actually that have been verified as of today. Since November they never had more than 20 actual new signatures per month.

This scraping started in January. Until December, they would verify most newly signed Architechts&Engineers within less than 3 weeks (median age of signatues when counted). This rose to 5 months in March and April. In May, the median is (so far) down to 5 weeks. So mostly they are done scraping.
 
Oystein said:
Within the last about 20 hours - that is: since they sent the newsletter about this fundraiser and ad campaign - they have collected 20 new individual donations for a total of $ 1,805. During the week prior to that, they averaged 2 donations and $140 per day, so (predictably), the newsletter had a positive impact on fundraising. I think it is safe to predict that this effect will wane as quickly as it came. There will probably still be increased donations today, but after that - back to normal.
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Part one of my prediction is confirmed:

In the 24 hours that follewed, they had 10 more donations for a total of $1025. That's roughly half of what they had the first day, but still well above the previous level.

Donations will continue to flow in a decreasing pace for some days and asymptotically reach the "normal" level in a few.
 
Well, it's a good thing Gage is doing something. If he hadn't the Truthiness Movement, as unthinkable as it may seem, could become, within a few decades--

IRRELEVANT!!!
 
aggle-rithm said:
Yes. It's too bad, in the Venn diagram of 9/11 Truth, that the "those who care" circle doesn't intersect with "those who donate".
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I hope this isn't too off topic, but this is a really good point, and may be one of the defining properties of conspiracy theory versus social issue. I have long maintained that a meaningful portion of the street level activities for 9/11 Truth show some level of mental illness. Gage himself might not be one of these, but at least some of his organizers may be. Some of the contacts he lists on his website are involved in astrology and other 'alternative' knowledge systems. Some are also activists for right-wing political groups. Some of the activists that I have been in touch with, but not part of gage's organization have medical histories that include mental illness, drug addiction and criminal records. So you have this web of disturbed people doing the leg work convincing well-meaning philanthropists that 9/11 Truth is still alive and an issue worth supporting.
 
Scott Sommers said:
Serious question here ergo. Do you think this means there still is hope for the future of 9/11 Truth? Do you really think there are scads of architects and construction professionals who suspect 'something was up' at 9/11? And firefighters, as well?

Seriously, is this what you think?
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Not sure I should bother answering this question after reading post #50, which demonstrates, once again, that you're neither honest nor sincere. I've never seen a violent 9/11 truth demonstration, nor have I ever seen signs of mentally disturbed action among 9/11 truthers. Most of the 9/11 truth people I've met are intelligent people who support peace and justice. You live in Taiwan, so I wonder where in fact you're witnessing these gatherings you make so many claims about. In addition, I've already shown here on this forum that there are far more disturbed and volatile people who believe in the 9/11 official story AND who act out in the name of that alleged cause. From both a logical and statistical standpoint, you're the ones whose mental health we need to be concerned about. You need to let that fact sink in.

As for your above question, of course. There are many, many architects and engineers who know something is not right with the official 9/11 story. Far more than are willing to put their names out publicly. Many of the testimonies of those who have come to sign the A&E petition talk about having first of all accepted the official story - until they actually looked into it themselves, often years later. Tony Szamboti states he doesn't know a single engineer who has honestly looked into it, who doesn't ultimately acknowledge there's a problem. The problem is, like most people, most A & E's haven't, and the ongoing campaign to discredit such inquiries does scare people off, as it does me at times.

Nevertheless, I am continually shocked at the numbers of people who still have never heard of WTC 7, or what happened to it that day, including someone I thought I knew quite well, as I discovered last month. So this is clearly an area that needs public awareness. Even if people are willing to believe, or at least not question (because they don't think they are qualified to) that the Twin Towers self-destructed in under 15 seconds from gravity forces, they have a harder time understanding WTC 7. Building 7 almost kind of sits on the outskirts of their consciousness with regard to what happened that day. It doesn't fit into the picture they've been given (one that is already logically strained) so it has to kind of just sit there like a white elephant until their minds can piece together a more logical conclusion.

Folks like yourself will never know, Scott, because you're so deeply invested in propagating a certain caricature of 9/11 truth that you wouldn't be able to see anything that was real or true if it was staring you in the face. One has to wonder, of course, why you're so invested; that's a psychological study of a different kind.
 
Oystein said:
Part one of my prediction is confirmed:

In the 24 hours that follewed, they had 10 more donations for a total of $1025. That's roughly half of what they had the first day, but still well above the previous level.

Donations will continue to flow in a decreasing pace for some days and asymptotically reach the "normal" level in a few.
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Oystein. Stop the denial. The sole reason for the increase is the existence of this faustian thread we're in. :D
 
Ergo:

What do you think about the creative accounting being used to show support and how the campaign seems to be going?

Reality, They've raised about $4,000.
 
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Oystein said:
Part one of my prediction is confirmed:

In the 24 hours that follewed, they had 10 more donations for a total of $1025. That's roughly half of what they had the first day, but still well above the previous level.

Donations will continue to flow in a decreasing pace for some days and asymptotically reach the "normal" level in a few.
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The following 25 hours: 6 donations, $375
Just the trend I expected.

(The numbers on any day don't have to follow trends strictly; there is of course a considerable random element in there, especially with regard to dollar amounts, as some donors give only 10 dollars, others shell out 500. So if tomorrow there is an increase, or a drop to zero, that doesn't mean that a trend decreasing to just above previous level is broken).
 
I had to read this a couple of times. Am I right that much of the currently raised money may be coming from AE9/11T itself?
 
Scott Sommers said:
I had to read this a couple of times. Am I right that much of the currently raised money may be coming from AE9/11T itself?
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Difficult to say where the money REALLY comes from.

I don't think Gage had $286,000 to spare in his normal war chest a month ago, yet three anonymous donations from fundly-users named "AE Supporters", "ReThink911 Supporters" and "Remember Building 7 Campaign" donated that much.

The latter most probably is from the "Building What" money that AE911Truth held as a liability since I think 2010.

They say they "raised matching funds" - but I don't know from whom, and I don't know if those matching funds are already included in the 286K.

I speculate that the 60K from "AE Supporters" is taken from the AE911Truth cash box - a "left-pocket-to-right-pocket" move. The 176K from "ReThink911 Supporters" could be the matching funds, or perhaps some other Truth organisation we haven't identified yet. Perhaps some old money from other campaigns that never did anything?
 
Scott Sommers said:
I had to read this a couple of times. Am I right that much of the currently raised money may be coming from AE9/11T itself?
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I'm not sure where you got "raised". If a 'truther" says "pledged" with the amount of conditions needed for it to come about, it means nothing.
 
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