My letter to Prof. Chomsky

[uke2se]

Are you trying to say the US deliberately attacked babies?

Only if that makes you sufficiently outraged. Otherwise he didn't.

 

[Elizabeth I]

You are saying it yourself.
In a fair world Bush would have brought to the Hague.
But this is not happen as not enough people are saking for it
Therefore, the vast majority of the people are passive sheeps

Didn't G.W. Bush cancel a trip to Europe precisely because of this threat? Or am I misremembering?

...nope, I had it right:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/2013/05/dubyas_euorpe_t.php

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/10/bushs_shrinking_world_george_w_bush

 

[Safe-Keeper]

You are saying it yourself.
In a fair world Bush would have brought to the Hague.
But this is not happen as not enough people are saking for it
Therefore, the vast majority of the people are passive sheeps

But do they not try because they are "passive sheep", or because they don't agree in the first place that Dubya should've been dragged to the Hague? Simply having different moral values than you doesn't make one a "passive sheep".

 

[Elizabeth I]

But do they not try because they are "passive sheep", or because they don't agree in the first place that Dubya should've been dragged to the Hague? Simply having different moral values than you doesn't make one a "passive sheep".

QFT.

And thank you for making this point in a much briefer statement than I have been able to achieve.

 

[Watanabe]

Didn't G.W. Bush cancel a trip to Europe precisely because of this threat? Or am I misremembering?

...nope, I had it right:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/2013/05/dubyas_euorpe_t.php

http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/10/bushs_shrinking_world_george_w_bush

Well, the two sites you have quoted are not exactly mainstream reliable sites, I believe.
I have no evidence at all that Bush is currently wanted by the ICC or any other institution or that any country is asking for Mr. Bush to be brought to the ICC or seeking for any legal action.
If you have any evidence from reliable sites, please post

Noted: also our former PM should be wanted for the same reasons as Bush, since he also supported the invasion of Iraq

 

[Watanabe]

You are what you hate.

Oh geeee..

Watanabe are you outraged about Francois Bozize and his war with rebels in the Central African Republic?

Why aren't you outraged about that? Why haven't you organized protests about that? When are you going to start being outraged?

I and my Government never supported Bozize right?
On the other side, my Government has supported GWB.
Therefore, I would rather being outrages for the latter more than the former

Are you trying to say the US deliberately attacked babies?

No, when did I say that?
But you should be held responsible of the foreseeable consequences of your actions

But do they not try because they are "passive sheep", or because they don't agree in the first place that Dubya should've been dragged to the Hague? Simply having different moral values than you doesn't make one a "passive sheep".

Please explain to me why people should be OK with starting an unnecessary war based on lies that caused 200000+ deaths and consider this as moral

 

[Elizabeth I]

Well, the two sites you have quoted are not exactly mainstream reliable sites, I believe.
I have no evidence at all that Bush is currently wanted by the ICC or any other institution or that any country is asking for Mr. Bush to be brought to the ICC or seeking for any legal action.
If you have any evidence from reliable sites, please post

Noted: also our former PM should be wanted for the same reasons as Bush, since he also supported the invasion of Iraq

I believe the Village Voice is reasonably mainstream, but if you don't like that, how about Reuters and the Huffington Post?

Which you could have found yourself with one second's googling, but I suppose there was too great a possibility of seeing that you might be wrong about something.

ETA: and if you think the former president of Japan should be arrested, why aren't you doing something about it instead of whining on an internet forum?

 

[Watanabe]

I believe the Village Voice is reasonably mainstream, but if you don't like that, how about Reuters and the Huffington Post?

Which you could have found yourself with one second's googling, but I suppose there was too great a possibility of seeing that you might be wrong about something.

Oh Switzerland, yes..
That powerful nuclear armed nation!
I am sure GWB is now freaking out in his bed and depressed as he may not be able to enter in Switzerland.
I would wonder if the guy even knows where Switzerland is

ETA: and if you think the former president of Japan should be arrested, why aren't you doing something about it instead of whining on an internet forum?

Who told you I am doing anything?
And who is whining here?

 

[Kid Eager]

Oh geeee..



I and my Government never supported Bozize right?
On the other side, my Government has supported GWB.
Therefore, I would rather being outrages for the latter more than the former



No, when did I say that?
But you should be held responsible of the foreseeable consequences of your actions



Please explain to me why people should be OK with starting an unnecessary war based on lies that caused 200000+ deaths and consider this as moral

Where'd the "moral" bit come from?

War is the exercising of foreign policy by non-peaceful means. War is where people die - that's the whole point of the exercise. The morality consists of whether the foreign policy being pursued is in the best interests of the nation pursuing it.

After the war is over, we can then decide if any of the losing side's acts during the war were sufficiently immoral to warrant special treatment.

 

[Watanabe]

The morality consists of whether the foreign policy being pursued is in the best interests of the nation pursuing it.

So, had Japan be successful in WWII, it would have been perfectly moral to invade several countries and kill millions.

What an idiocy !

 

[Elizabeth I]

Oh Switzerland, yes..
That powerful nuclear armed nation!
I am sure GWB is now freaking out in his bed and depressed as he may not be able to enter in Switzerland.
I would wonder if the guy even knows where Switzerland is

WTF? You think people get arrested by other people carrying nukes? What does Switzerland's nuclear or non-nuclear status have to do with anything?

Second, since I imagine GWB was going to get a handsome fee for speaking, he might be a little disappointed, yes.

Third, what difference does it make whether Bush knows whether Switzerland is? He could still be arrested there. You are getting incoherent.

You just don't like it that some people were preparing to take exactly the steps you have been urging, and that shows you might be wrong. You need to learn to consider all the evidence, even when it doesn't fit into your rigid mindset.

Who told you I am doing anything?

Nobody. I asked what you were doing about it if you thought the former president of Japan should be arrested. You are in a much better position to begin that process than most other people on this board.

And who is whining here?

Well, I'm not the one spending all kinds of time on here telling people how the inhabitants of their country should act.

 

[Kid Eager]

So, had Japan be successful in WWII, it would have been perfectly moral to invade several countries and kill millions.

What an idiocy !

So, apart from your conclusion of "idiocy", is there something that is wrong about my post? A country goes to war because it is necessary, not because it is moral.

 

[Watanabe]

WTF? You think people get arrested by other people carrying nukes? What does Switzerland's nuclear or non-nuclear status have to do with anything?

Second, since I imagine GWB was going to get a handsome fee for speaking, he might be a little disappointed, yes.

Not much.
There will be always other suckers who invite him

Third, what difference does it make whether Bush knows whether Switzerland is? He could still be arrested there. You are getting incoherent.

Switzerland is just one (insignificant) small country.
What about the other ~200 countries in the UN who have done jsut nothing of the kind?

You just don't like it that some people were preparing to take exactly the steps you have been urging, and that shows you might be wrong. You need to learn to consider all the evidence, even when it doesn't fit into your rigid mindset.

I like it very much.
But it is just one small insignificant country

Nobody. I asked what you were doing about it if you thought the former president of Japan should be arrested. You are in a much better position to begin that process than most other people on this board.

Yes.
I think that Mr. Koizumi should be kicked out from Japan from having supported US invasion of Iraq at the time and possibly get arrested for that.
I made it clear that I consider him accomplice in crime when I spoke with my friends and they did not like it at all

Well, I'm not the one spending all kinds of time on here telling people how the inhabitants of their country should act.

You should. Same as me should tell you about your country

 

[Elizabeth I]

Not much.
There will be always other suckers who invite him

Switzerland is just one (insignificant) small country.
What about the other ~200 countries in the UN who have done jsut nothing of the kind?

Somebody did something you wanted them to do but it didn't count because a bunch of other people didn't do the same thing? Do you refuse gifts from your friends because hundreds of thousands of other people don't give you gifts?

And by the way, Bush was going to Switzerland, but it was more than just the Swiss who were talking about having him arrested.

Yes.
I think that Mr. Koizumi should be kicked out from Japan from having supported US invasion of Iraq at the time and possibly get arrested for that.
I made it clear that I consider him accomplice in crime when I spoke with my friends and they did not like it at all

So that's what you've done to get Mr. Koizume arrested? Talked to your friends about it and made them mad? Not very effective.

You should. Same as me should tell you about your country

Nope, I already know about my country, thanks. I've been pretty well instructed about almost every wrong step we've taken since we started slaughtering the original inhabitants.

I noticed you didn't like it when someone on the forum called Japan a nation of racist pigs. There was somebody telling you what was wrong with your country, and you disapproved when that particular ox got gored.

 

[Watanabe]

Somebody did something you wanted them to do but it didn't count because a bunch of other people didn't do the same thing? Do you refuse gifts from your friends because hundreds of thousands of other people don't give you gifts?

It counts
But limitedly to that particular country, which is out of 200

And by the way, Bush was going to Switzerland, but it was more than just the Swiss who were talking about having him arrested.

So that's what you've done to get Mr. Koizume arrested? Talked to your friends about it and made them mad? Not very effective.

I do what I can do.
Did you do the same in regard to your President (which I assume was Bush)

Nope, I already know about my country, thanks. I've been pretty well instructed about almost every wrong step we've taken since we started slaughtering the original inhabitants.

If you are US citizen, then you are one of the few that criticizes their own country

I noticed you didn't like it when someone on the forum called Japan a nation of racist pigs. There was somebody telling you what was wrong with your country, and you disapproved when that particular ox got gored.

No no
It is perfectly fine to criticize Japan

It is wrong to call all Japanese as racist pigs.

 

[trustbutverify]

If you are US citizen, then you are one of the few that criticizes their own country

I'm a US citizen who criticizes his own country. Where is your evidence that few US citizens criticize their own country?

 

[trustbutverify]

It is wrong to call all Japanese as racist pigs.

How about most, is that all right?

 

[Watanabe]

I'm a US citizen who criticizes his own country. Where is your evidence that few US citizens criticize their own country?

I would not define you as such

 

[trustbutverify]

I would not define you as such

Who cares about your ridiculous "definitions" besides yourself? And where is your evidence that very few US citizens criticize the US?

 

[Darth Rotor]

Who told you I am doing anything?
This thread has ample evidence that you are doing something: trolling

And who is whining here?

You are. All through the thread.

Elizabeth I is being very kind to you. She's a classy person.