Continuation Part 5: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[RandyN]

You are getting into a grey area here as far as the JREF forum rules are concerned. While it is definately a violation to disclose personal information if it is not publicly available and relavent to the discussion, an alternate socks used to discuss the same topic elsewhere on the net is not necessarily personal. While such off-site aliases cannot be regulated by this forum, their use is equally disingenuous to the discussion and should be disclosed in my opinion. I suggest that this topic should be discussed in the forum management section to get an authoritive ruling before it is continued here.

Also, Kermit is still a member here and cannot be posting under a different alias. Any suspiscion evidence of socks posting on this board should be sent as private communication to the admin team.

I retracted my guesses in post 3420 please try to keep up. And I didn't speak poorly of Kermit who may or may not be a member.

My guess is that this is Ergon and he is not a member here...

Charlie is wrong in his assumption about the "fresh as a daisy" posting and boasting style of argument. Its Ergon...trust me. I have verified it by other means. Nothing to do with his posting style. I baited a hook with irresistible bait and I got a bite. And I hooked him with the word parapet.

I cant imagine why outing a troll would be against the rules. I may be wrong...but I don't think so. And now we have another newbie...bet I can determine BARD who this is too...in time.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

I retracted my guesses in post 3420 please try to keep up. And I didn't speak poorly of Kermit who may or may not be a member.

My guess is that this is Ergon and he is not a member here...

Charlie is wrong in his assumption about the "fresh as a daisy" posting and boasting style of argument. Its Ergon...trust me. I have verified it by other means. Nothing to do with his posting style.

I cant imagine why outing a troll would be against the rules. I may be wrong...but I dont think so. And now we have another newbie...bet I can determine BARD who this is too...in time.

What is the evidence of this? Tesla seems to mix a right-wing political message into his rap. Does that fit with Ergon? I honestly don't know. I admit to being the world's worst sock spotter, which is why I seldom go there.

 

[anglolawyer]

What is the evidence of this? Tesla seems to mix a right-wing political message into his rap. Does that fit with Ergon? I honestly don't know. I admit to being the world's worst sock spotter, which is why I seldom go there.

No way. Randy is the worst.

 

[Kevin_Lowe]

it's funny how Friends always give their unsolicited personal testimony on how they first came to believe Knox is their Lord and Savior not guilty. there are religious overtones.

they always predictably start out saying they thought Knox was guilty at first but started studying the evidence and knew she was innocent. the reason they giving for originally thinking she was guilty is usually the cartwheels at the station. I get the feeling some of these guys are working off a script the PR wrote up and sent out.

This is simply because most coverage of the case is relatively superficial, and presents prosecution claims without analysing them critically. Any number of the claims the prosecution have made would have been absolutely damning for Knox and Sollecito, if only they had turned out to be actually true as opposed to made up or erroneous.

For this reason alone the majority of people who come to be interested in the case via media reports will have a story where their initial impression was that Knox and Sollecito were guilty, but that this impression fell apart as they examined the evidence.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

DrTesla writes nothing like Ergon. I would be amazed to find out they were the same person. I spend no time trying to spot socks so I really have no idea.

I guess there is only one way to know for sure.

DrTesla, do you believe that you are the Messiah?

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Gosh another 4 weeks or more before the motivation report is published!

I wonder how much of what is being discussed here these past few weeks will even be raised in the second level trial.

 

[GWCarver]

Gosh another 4 weeks or more before the motivation report is published!

I wonder how much of what is being discussed here these past few weeks will even be raised in the second level trial.

Well, because Raffaele and Amanda are actually innocent, I'm predicting it will address something dumb the Italian system of justice has done, and will have nothing to do with them.

 

[Supernaut]

<snip> A little background on me. At 15 I was told by a teacher to never accept anything you don’t check out yourself. Something I have held close ever since. <snip>

A certain dude called Buddha gave the same advice about 2500 years ago.

 

[Supernaut]

Yes Im fine with the "attack" as well. The Kerchers don't want to learn anything about the truth of what happened to their daughter. They are willing participants in effort to convict and jail completely innocent persons.

I have the greatest sympathy and sadness for their loss. But they have participated and been foils of Maresca and Mignini. Especially John earlier and now certainly Stephanie.

"We wont read Knox's book". ??? I would want to read everything I could if I was still puzzled about the circumstances of my daughter or sisters murder. Lets face it...you really have to be an idiot to remain doubtful about what happened to Meredith. Enough time has passed so as give all plenty of time to contemplate the events and evidence.
They may still think RS and AK are guilty...but they need to look closer at the case, the evidence, the logic, the motivation, the prior histories.
And they need to get off the money wagon. Civil suits should follow the criminal trial. This is one more flaw in Italian "justice".

The Kerchers are pretty gormless (just listen to Lyle and Stephanie speak), but no-one can be as stupid as they're pretending to be.

They know the score. They're after money, that's all.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Stefanoni and Mignini are public officials paid by the state who should be scrutinized when they display signs of incompetence and corruption: they have to be.

Amanda and Raffaele are and have always been considered innocent until final conviction through the Supreme Court. Had they been found innocent in the Trial of the First Instance we'd still be here at this juncture, Mignini can and--as this now shows--probably would have appealed. It could have been over after the acquittal, but it's not.

Funny how that works, and I agree, but, when they were found innocent after the appeal, I'm pretty sure I heard (read) a lot of PIP saying she was now innocent and free. Regardless, she was found guilty after first instance, we are set to go to appeal (second instance) and being found guilty after 1st instance is way bad for those two than had they been found innocent.

 

[DrTesla]

DrTesla writes nothing like Ergon. I would be amazed to find out they were the same person. I spend no time trying to spot socks so I really have no idea.

I guess there is only one way to know for sure.

DrTesla, do you believe that you are the Messiah?

if you wanted to talk to me you should have been friendly to me when I was at your place. I wasn't even telling my little jokes over there. we could have had it all.

I think it is well established Obama is the Messiah so therefore I cannot be. he'll tell you.

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Well, because Raffaele and Amanda are actually innocent, I'm predicting it will address something dumb the Italian system of justice has done, and will have nothing to do with them.

By dumb I assume you mean a technicality or procedural issues, not so sure hasn’t the Supreme Court up held all the prosecutions points of appeal? Were just waiting to read their reasons.

 

[Supernaut]

It's nice to know that most on both sides feel this way and only a very few do not. It does disgust me as well.

Your 'moral outrage' is amusing to me, because from what I've seen from reading the three hate-sates, nothing seems to be beneath them.

 

[Supernaut]

I larfed aloud.



I larfed alouder.

I see you're honing your Brit accent. It's coming along nicely.

 

[DrTesla]

does anybody know if Knox has converted to Islam and relocated to London?

There appears to have been a butchering in the streets of London. Werewolves of London, again.

Wonder if Obama still believes there is no more Islamic terrorism b/c we got Osama bin Laden.

 

[Bill Williams]

By dumb I assume you mean a technicality or procedural issues, not so sure hasn’t the Supreme Court up held all the prosecutions points of appeal? Were just waiting to read their reasons.

They may have, but that will be revealed with the publication of the motivations report, which if I understand it at all will also be the marching orders for the new Florence appeals court.

My guess is that the two areas the appeals court will need to rule on the factuality of is: the issue of multiple attackers (Hellmann said it was not his court's responsibility to rule on such, just if AK and RS were involved), and/or Hellmann's rejection of yet a further DNA review as requested by the prosecution. (My personal opinion is that for the prosecution to ask for such a further examination of Stefanoni's work is tacit admission that Stefanoni's work was substandard, but that's just me.)

So we won't really know, though, why the SC ruled the way they did probably until next month, and then the field will be clear.

 

[DrTesla]

Its not demonzing sic the prosecutor when it is the truth and it explains why this charade of a case ever got legs in the first place.

Hard to say if the defense is losing at this point. We need to see what the SC says.

Ozar's sic razor...says Meredith Kercher was murdered, raped and robbed and likely in that order, by Rudy Guede. There are a few corrupt players in this case. Mignini is one.

Pervert got his name due to his affinity for ballerinas...clear enough?

well there is good corrupt and there is bad corrupt. Mignini is good corrupt. he's not going to allow the constraints of the law prevent him from getting justice in the case of the Butcher of Perugia Amanda Knox.

that's what attracted me to be open minded to hearing his evidence against Knox, my strong sense that is a bit like Dirty Harry, as evident by his willingness to tweak the accused young woman during the trial by referring to the African boy Rudy Guede as "poor, poor Guede" as though Rudy was some kind of figure needing sympathy in this whole sordid mess. Can any of you think of another murder trial where the defendant cried like Knox did throughout due to Mignini's sick mind games? I can't recall OJ Simpson, Arias, or Scott Peterson weeping on the stand. I would like to be wrong about this.

 

[Supernaut]

Did you check out whether it is posible to chuck a 10lb rock at a window and not break it?

I was going to say; there are implicit calims being made that a 10lb rock, travelling the speed imparted to it to cover 10 or 15 feet, could have its trajectory signifcantly changed, or even be stopped completely by a few square feet of ordinary, non-toughened glass.

I think the people who believe this should buy as many sheets of glass as they need and keep trying it until they prove it is indeed possible.

 

[DrTesla]

I wonder what we are all going to do when Knox is found guilty again because it is safe to say there will be a big void in our lives if we don't have Knox to fight for or to love to hate.


will Friends continue to advocate for her innocence during her 50 year prison sentence? that doesn't seem sustainable.

I think Fischer's website about wrongful convictions is a neat idea but it struck me as odd that he decided to make Knox his bedrock wrongful conviction case. it seems to undermine the credibility of the whole project.

 

[DrTesla]

I was going to say; there are implicit calims being made that a 10lb rock, travelling the speed imparted to it to cover 10 or 15 feet, could have its trajectory signifcantly changed, or even be stopped completely by a few square feet of ordinary, non-toughened glass.

I think the people who believe this should buy as many sheets of glass as they need and keep trying it until they prove it is indeed possible.

you are making my original point without knowing it, which is why did he need to hoist a 10 lb rock across the yard at this window if a much lighter rock would actually be more effective against glass which we all agree is fairly easy to shatter? It's the impact velocity that matters and you can impart a much higher velocity on a ligher rock than a heavier one. I had seen several people on here seem to imply that a heavier rock was more logical for the breaking of this glass, which I suspect may have been Knox's thought process too. a heavier rock probably makes more sense if you are close to the window and you just take the rock in your hand and smack it on the glass to break it. a lighter rock makes more sense if you have to throw the rock some distance and need for it still be zipping at a decent speed when it impacts the glass.

it doesn't matter if this 10 lb rock could have been hoisted up at the window b/c there's no evidence rudy ever went up through it. it's just not believable he climbs all the way up there and then is using some kind of tool to pry out these external shutters that would be real difficult to move b/c of the wet wood as Filo testified to. he's going to be trying to stand on that window below at an awkward angle while trying to move these shutters out toward him. I don't see why rudy wouldn't just walk around the back of the house and access the cottage thru the window off the balcony in relative conclusion. I just can't see even the dumbest lay jury in the history of the world not understanding the illogicality of using the high window all within siite of the main road and adding time and hassle when he is in real quick on the other side of the house.