Continuation Part 5: Discussion of the Amanda Knox/Raffaele Sollecito case

[DrTesla]

I cannot reveal my true identity. You should view me as similar to the Bat Man, without the gay cape and costume.


I was wrong...you are none of the three I named. You are Ergon...Doctor of astrology from Toronto. Pakiloon.

lol, I forgot I posted that one last night. I post some real gems on here that get buried under banal over analysis of things that don't matter and various brown nosing of pseudo-expert attention whores like Steve Moore.

 

[Kaosium]

Is Machine the one that runs the MurderofMeredithKercher website? .

It would not surprise me, at any rate it appears many of the same bogus formulations and outright lies of Harry Rag/The Machine (same guy--guess what 'machine' he's talking about, Bama Man...) are recorded there.

As for the owner of TJMK, first off, look at the site. Both eyes open. There's more...but nevermind.

 

[DrTesla]

It would not surprise me, at any rate it appears many of the same bogus formulations and outright lies of Harry Rag/The Machine (same guy--guess what 'machine' he's talking about, Bama Man...) are recorded there.

As for the owner of TJMK, first off, look at the site. Both eyes open. There's more...but nevermind.

why not just spell out your allegation like a man. half implying the man is some kind of pervert seems real weak to me. own it 100 percent or stow it.

I don't like it when people speak in code to me.

 

[Kaosium]

why not just spell out your allegation like a man. half implying the man is some kind of pervert seems real weak to me. own it 100 percent or stow it.

I don't like it when people speak in code to me.

Whatever gave you the impression pleasing you was on the agenda?

Your favorite webmaster did the honors. Literally.

I'm sure you saw what Nina Burleigh thought.

Oh, and as for 'The Machine'--he means the one in Chicago.

We've a saying where I come from:

There's truth, there's justice, and then there's the Chicago Way.

 

[Bill Williams]

why not just spell out your allegation like a man. half implying the man is some kind of pervert seems real weak to me. own it 100 percent or stow it.

I don't like it when people speak in code to me.

Aren't you the Bat man without the gay cape?

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

But it's not true.
The Supreme Court never said Narducci comitted suicide.
Morover, there is another trial that already found out that the body swap actually took place.

And actually the Narducci case was not a fiasco, that was a great victory for Mignini.

For those who don't know the story, Narducci was part of an underground satanic cult that commissioned grisly murders in the Italian countryside because they required female body parts for their rituals. But Narducci became a security risk, so other cult members killed him and threw him in a lake. His body was recovered, but it was secretly swapped (by cult operatives) with the body of someone who had drowned, so the coroner reported death by drowning. Then, it was swapped again, so the actual body of Narducci was in the coffin when it was exhumed by Mignini's people after many years.

Cracking this case was Mignini's great victory, along with the Sex Game That Turned Deadly.

But he hasn't come up with the Roswell Connection. Not yet, anyway.

 

[RandyN]

That's at least the third time you've cracked that one.. You need to brush up your repertoire. As I too have said before, the trouble with jokes about lawyers is lawyers don't think they're funny and no one else thinks they're jokes. I love that one


So you're saying what? Out with it man! I dunno about Raffaele but Amanda and her family seem extremely happy with their representation. I don't think you have all the facts. For instance, they repeatedly applied for disclosure but came up against stupid judges who were prepared to swallow Comodi's line that they 'have what they need'. You can read a full history of their efforts in the transcript for 30 Sep 2009.


Don't forget C-V. It's true that it's easy to seem brilliant when the court is with you anyway and you can be Perry Mason but still get nowhere in front of a hostile tribunal. Bongiorno has a high reputation, doesn't she? How did she get on before Massei?

You think Benny Hill only told a joke once?

Look at one point during the first trial even Massei understood that the prosecution was not providing discovery. He suspended the trial early and then came the summer recess. Why did these "great litigators" fail to make a case upon their return that they still needed the EDF'S ? Because they were crap lawyers who were out of their depth....thats why.

And sure I agree that the defense was fighting an uphill battle in the first trial but that may be because they simply allowed Mignini to ramble on about speculation while providing no facts about the case...Cant you rise and object to speculation? Can you at least bolster your clients contention that she was struck by police? Cowards. Useless cowards. Knox is stuck with these guys now...what are they going to say? Oh they were crap. And start over (thats what they should do) with new guys?

Dont know how Bongiorno survived before this case... because of all, she was the worst! A distraction and reason for dragging out the case even longer than the usual and illegal right to a speedy trial. Distracted by having a baby and she doesn't remove herself from the case. I will give her credit for at least opening her mouth occasionally...while the Knox lawyers dozed at their table...except for the gal whose name I don't recall....she did her job at least.

If you stand by and watch judge after judge make illegal moves (findings based on deceptive and questionable facts) without protest...IE trying PL case with the murder case then you are a bad lawyer. These guys were the worst. There was never evidence to hold them in custody let alone bind them over to court. Good lawyers would have hammered those issues to death...

 

[anglolawyer]

You think Benny Hill only told a joke once?

Look at one point during the first trial even Massei understood that the prosecution was not providing discovery. He suspended the trial early and then came the summer recess. Why did these "great litigators" fail to make a case upon their return that they still needed the EDF'S ? Because they were crap lawyers who were out of their depth....thats why.

And sure I agree that the defense was fighting an uphill battle in the first trial but that may be because they simply allowed Mignini to ramble on about speculation while providing no facts about the case...Cant you rise and object to speculation? Can you at least bolster your clients contention that she was struck by police? Cowards. Useless cowards. Knox is stuck with these guys now...what are they going to say? Oh they were crap. And start over (thats what they should do) with new guys?

Dont know how Bongiorno survived before this case... because of all, she was the worst! A distraction and reason for dragging out the case even longer than the usual and illegal right to a speedy trial. Distracted by having a baby and she doesn't remove herself from the case. I will give her credit for at least opening her mouth occasionally...while the Knox lawyers dozed at their table...except for the gal whose name I don't recall....she did her job at least.

If you stand by and watch judge after judge make illegal moves (findings based on deceptive and questionable facts) without protest...IE trying PL case with the murder case then you are a bad lawyer. These guys were the worst. There was never evidence to hold them in custody let alone bind them over to court. Good lawyers would have hammered those issues to death...

Oh, what's the use. Let's kill all the lawyers.

A set of fresh eyes can work wonders sometimes but you need to be sure that you're not jumping from the frying pan into the fire. Plus it costs a lot of money for the new guys to get up to speed.

 

[RandyN]

Randy! How can you say such a thing?

I think this version was translated by roteoctober with proof-reading assistance from your humble servant.

OK you made me track it down. I actually got it from dot nut who stole it from IA and which was translated by Teddy. No editorial credits that mention you Im afraid.

http://borsinibellardi.wordpress.com/contents/reasons-for-the-decision/

ETA OK I see Teddy finally called you out...and also clarified that you helped...grovel grovel...

 

[DrTesla]

Whatever gave you the impression pleasing you was on the agenda?

Your favorite webmaster did the honors. Literally.

I'm sure you saw what Nina Burleigh thought.

Oh, and as for 'The Machine'--he means the one in Chicago.

We've a saying where I come from:

There's truth, there's justice, and then there's the Chicago Way.

well that's interesting, really wouldn't surprise me because he seems ultra liberal and all those guys are Bill Clinton/ John Edwards types. I tell you what set some red flags off about this Peter guy is when he said jockular bimbo Katie Couric is a good respected journalist because don't think most Americans feel that way and her ratings while the host of the news on CBS don't back it up either. that's probably more disturbing than this dude trying to GET IT ON with some young hottie b/c sounds like this babe put a cock block on him and backed that up with a restraining order if this is all legit. i guess what I don't get about these liberal dudes is why do they get married if there is no real commitment there b/c getting married is a hassle. if you just want to GET IT ON with various random babes than make a choice to do that. these guys want to get the best of both worlds...it's a form of greed really.

but i also got a rule about not automatically believing somebody who claims something about another person he doesn't like so I think we got to take this with a BIG grain of salt. for all I know fischer, who seems a bit off too, just wrote all of this.

it's probably best for the Bat Man, with or without gay, straight, gender neutral cape, to stay out of these blogger wars over personal stuff. my personal belief is a lot people on the internet got some mental issues, including yours truly and I don't want to get caught up in some kind of War of the Nuts on the internet. I'm a peace and harmony kind of guy who just wants to live the good life. I got to stay focus on sending the Butcher of Perugia Knox to jail for a real long time.

it's kind of disturbing how both camps in the Knox wars are digging up private info on each other and exposing each other. i did that with the infamous Matt Jones, The Wizard of Logic, on the Amazon reviews for Waiting To Get it On although he made it easy with his full name and location, but then i felt real guilty about it even though i wan't trying to embarrass him....then he seemed to threaten me by asking me for my address which doesn't seem like innocent thing to ask for.

 

[RandyN]

This is some sloppy logic.

It is not a given that Knox should have implicated Guede if she was involved. First, Knox and Raffee had set up the crime scene to point only to Rudy. She knew his traces were there and the police would probably determine that soon. But, she had the typical prisoner's dilemma and she didn't want to implicate herself by accusing Rudy because how would she know Rudy was there if she was not there. She is not sure if their staging the crime scene will not be seen for what it is, and since the crime scene was staged to point at Rudy, if she accuses Rudy, and then the police determine the crime was staged, then it will be self evident that she and Rafffe staged and why would they stage it if they were not also guilty? She must have complete separation from Rudy, and somebody else must accuse him of the crime. the idea is they never had anything to do with each other and therefore could not have committed this heinous crime together.

Nobody will ever understand exactly why she accused Patrick unless she tells us. It is not logical to conclude that she is not guilty because she accused an innocent man but not a guilty co-conspirator. Maybe she liked Rudy and didn't want him to do all the time for a crime they all committed. They did stage it to point at Rudy because they had no choice if they also did not want to go jail, but maybe that is not something Knox wanted to do. For all we know it was Raffe's idea. Perhaps she thought she was being clever by pointing to a black man she knew wasn't there so they would have a black man on their mind....maybe she thought they would find evidence of a black man being at the cottage and maybe in her mind she is thinks she is cutting down the list of suspects to Rudy on the idea it's a black man because it's not like Rudy would have been a top suspect otherwise given he had little interaction with the victim. It does seem like an odd coincidence that the man she falsely accused is black and Rudy is black when this crime took place in Italy. These could quite possibly be the only two black people she knew in Italy. Maybe she thought there was a good chance Patrick wouldn't have anybody to prove his alibi because he had called her that night and told her not to come in b/c business was slow. Maybe she was delusional enough to think that the police were so racist that they would think he was guilty on her accusation alone, and the fact she referred to Patrick at the "African boy", a grown man of nearly 40, seems to indicate that she thinks they have a racist attitude toward blacks. Perhaps she only named Patrick as a temporary diversion understanding that they would be able to prove his alibi in hopes they would release her and she would flee to America, or at least have time to come up with some other story that fits the facts that are known. You can look at her written declaration and see that she is clearly interest in what evidence the police have against her so she can say something that coincides with.

Again, we cannot fail to acknowledge the significance of the fact that Knox is interested in creative writing and she thinks she is good at the art of deception which is an element of creative writing.

Ergon...shake the 8 ball and try again. Or recheck the astrology charts for this time period...

Your case is getting weaker and weaker.

 

[Dan O.]

LOL...you are one of three persons...The Machine (Harry Rag), Kermit, or Pervert Quennell himself. You style matches Harry Rag. Quennell is even less balanced in his arguments, and Kermit...he cant go a day or make a post without a powerpoint so I am going with The machine (harry rag).

You are getting into a grey area here as far as the JREF forum rules are concerned. While it is definately a violation to disclose personal information if it is not publicly available and relavent to the discussion, an alternate socks used to discuss the same topic elsewhere on the net is not necessarily personal. While such off-site aliases cannot be regulated by this forum, their use is equally disingenuous to the discussion and should be disclosed in my opinion. I suggest that this topic should be discussed in the forum management section to get an authoritive ruling before it is continued here.

Also, Kermit is still a member here and cannot be posting under a different alias. Any suspiscion evidence of socks posting on this board should be sent as private communication to the admin team.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

You are getting into a grey area here as far as the JREF forum rules are concerned. While it is definately a violation to disclose personal information if it is not publicly available and relavent to the discussion, an alternate socks used to discuss the same topic elsewhere on the net is not necessarily personal. While such off-site aliases cannot be regulated by this forum, their use is equally disingenuous to the discussion and should be disclosed in my opinion. I suggest that this topic should be discussed in the forum management section to get an authoritive ruling before it is continued here.

Also, Kermit is still a member here and cannot be posting under a different alias. Any suspiscion evidence of socks posting on this board should be sent as private communication to the admin team.

Beyond that, I don't think Tesla is a sock. He's too fresh-as-a-daisy with all this stuff about how he is going to demolish us with his relentless logic. The people who tried that a couple of years back are licking their wounds, sneering about "JLOL" on a cult site that bans dissenters.

 

[RandyN]

well in a way a defamation suit is an expression of freedom of speech by the person who claims they were defamed and wants justice for it.

also, a defamation suit isn't preventing you from speaking it is only meant to punish you for content that is not true and meant to do the person you defamed harm in some way. You can defame all day but you will pay the price for it if a jury finds you to be a liar.

Mignini uses these sub cases to silence his detractors. The opposite of free speech. He files these cases without bothering to even investigate the issues. For example he charged Knox for telling the truth in court that she was struck by police. A reporter questioned the prosecutors office if they would be investigating the charge. No they replied...They heard the slander in court...was the illogical reason given...But dont you want to check to see if police actually hit her? No was they reply.

Mignini is the crazy cat lady of sub-cases to this case. He has more than two dozen by now. Hard to imagine so many crimes against the court. Reporters, lawyers, newspapers, blogs, TV stations, families of defendants...just a few of the folks charged by Mignini for crimes against the judicial system...and he continues unimpeded today. A known and convicted abuser of power and office.

 

[DrTesla]

Mignini uses these sub cases to silence his detractors. The opposite of free speech. He files these cases without bothering to even investigate the issues. For example he charged Knox for telling the truth in court that she was struck by police. A reporter questioned the prosecutors office if they would be investigating the charge. No they replied...They heard the slander in court...was the illogical reason given...But dont you want to check to see if police actually hit her? No was they reply.

Mignini is the crazy cat lady of sub-cases to this case. He has more than two dozen by now. Hard to imagine so many crimes against the court. Reporters, lawyers, newspapers, blogs, TV stations, families of defendants...just a few of the folks charged by Mignini for crimes against the judicial system...and he continues unimpeded today. A known and convicted abuser of power and office.

demonzing the prosecuter means the defense is losing. this is the corollary to ozar's razor.

 

[Matthew Best]

demonzing the prosecuter means the defense is losing. this is the corollary to ozar's razor.

Well, there would obviously have to be a corollary to Ozar's Razor. I think it's called Zippy's Rainbow.

 

[DDPT]

Pure as the Driven Snow

At first it's, "I don't remember".
[That doesn't get you very far unless you're with the Obama Administration]

Then in the first pages of the diario del prigione, "Now I remember; the nun has helped me remember, I wasn't there".

And that is followed up, then and now, with, "That's my story and I'm sticking to it."

Well, I for one am convinced. Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[DrTesla]

I was thinking that Knox is missing a great opportunity to cash in on Knox related merchandise with her book out in stores. You think a Knox blow up doll, Knox full size poster, Knox rabbit vibrator, Knox G String, Knox booties for murder crime scene, Knox sex diary, fully remastered, Knox sings The Beatles Why Don't We Do It In the Road, and a ton of other Knox ideas would work.

i forgot most obvious Knox signature knives engraved Butcher of Perugia. Knox bloody bathmat. Knox bleach specialized for bloody crimescene cleanup. Knox 10 lb pet rock. Knox autographed copy of her favorite book Crime and Punishment, Knox Sex For Dummies handbook, Knox How to Butcher Your Roommate and Go to Jail for 50 Years Step by Step handbook. Knox and Deanna mudwrestling video. Knox and Mignini GETTING IT ON satanic rite porno

Knox birth control products
Trojan Just for Amanda Knox condoms
Knox Viagra For When You Need To Get it Up to GET IT ON

Knox Phone for Calling Mommy at 3 AM at Night after Butchering Your Roommate for emotional support

Knox Auto-Flush Toilet

Knox bong

Knox Insider's Guide to the Pharmalogical Effects of Combining Crack Cocaine, Weed, and Alcohol

Knox autographed copy of Footloose with special foreword by Knox about her own experiences with the morality police

Knox autographed copy of The Scarlet Letter with special foreword about her own experiences as the victim of a Puritanical witchhunt

Amanda Knox and Sandra Fluke documentary "Waiting to Get Paid by Others To Have Sex" on how government can aid poor students so they don't have to butcher their roommate to steal their cash for much needed birth control

Amanda Knox serenades Obama with an original song entitled "Don't You Go Extraditin' Me" Featuring Beyoncé and Steve Moore

Amanda Knox yoga video Foxy Knoxy's 10 Most Incriminating Police Station Yoga Poses

Knox video at a Seattle yuppie arthouse reading passages of Crime and Punishment

 

[RandyN]

demonzing the prosecuter means the defense is losing. this is the corollary to ozar's razor.

Its not demonzing sic the prosecutor when it is the truth and it explains why this charade of a case ever got legs in the first place.

Hard to say if the defense is losing at this point. We need to see what the SC says.

Ozar's sic razor...says Meredith Kercher was murdered, raped and robbed and likely in that order, by Rudy Guede. There are a few corrupt players in this case. Mignini is one.

Pervert got his name due to his affinity for ballerinas...clear enough?

 

[Grinder]

Did you check out whether it is posible to chuck a 10lb rock at a window and not break it?

Thanks to your suggestion I am getting all new windows.