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Merged Sylvia Browne: "You'll meet her (Amanda Berry) in heaven" / Sylvia Browne wrong again

Browne claimed . . .
Amanda was dead – WRONG!
Amanda had been murdered – WRONG!
Amanda had a murderer – WRONG!
Amanda didn’t contact her mother because she was dead – WRONG!
Amanda was in water – WRONG!
Amanda’s last words were “Goodbye, Mum, I love you” – WRONG!

But the really sad and WRONG! thing is that many people will continue to believe Browne has psychic abilities.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
But that's not what's going on--and it's not the point I was making. Sylvia Browne's supporters are trying to claim a hit with her near-miss on the description of the perp. But she wasn't describing a kidnapper; she was describing a murderer. It's not a matter of semantics. In fact, I doubt she used either the word "kidnapper" or "murderer" (or "killer") on that infamous Montel show reading.

Her supporters who would claim a "hit" are ignoring a discrepancy between her reading and reality, not merely a discrepancy in semantics.
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This is entirely consistent with what I know of the mentality of conmen's victims. They're capable of going to the grave believing whatever it is they've been sold, even defending their particular conman.

Those comments defending SB's 'powers' are as predictable as they are depressing.


carlitos said:
That's French, desertgal.

Comprendez-vous. Do you understand.
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Maybe it's French in Paris, Texas, carlitos. ;)

ETA
Here's an old Guardian piece (2007) on SB
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/27/usa.jonronson

"There's a website called stopsylvia.com. A computer programmer called Robert Lancaster created it as a hobby. He does it because, he writes, "I found her work with missing children to be incredibly offensive." The site assiduously details many of the notable occasions she's got it wrong. "
 
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jiggeryqua said:
Is that an example of the No True God fallacy?
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I see what you are saying but...

I think we can say that God decided that we would live on this earth and then die without the living and dead able to communicate. Except some people believe that God has made an exception for a chosen few who are able to communicate although they don't manage to be any more accurate in their communication than by chance. Why has God let these chosen few listen to spirits from the other side? Apparently so they can make vast amounts of money from vulnerable people.
Then there are those who will say, and yes Robin I'm looking at you, that they are all rogues and charlatans except for my chosen one. Even though it's obvious when you watch them at work that they are using the same cold reading techniques as the others. And are no more accurate.
 
Robin1 said:
I would answer, but I am fearful you will think I am attempting to CRAM my beliefs down your throat.
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Evasion noted.

Only one person made that comment. A forum is more rewarding if you recognise it as contributions from individuals. You needn't fear my opinion; it can't hurt you.
 
Robin1 said:
I would answer, but I am fearful you will think I am attempting to CRAM my beliefs down your throat.

Now, back to Sylvia Browne...
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Robin I would be interested in seeing your opinion on Daniel Dunglas Home - see my thread on it. Spiritualists regard Home as one of the only mediums to have never been caught in fraud.

We all know Browne is a fraud even most spiritualists admit it her mistakes and errors are a mile long. It would be more worthwhile if we discussed some of the "cleverer" mediums such as Home, there have not been many of them but they do exist. See my thread if you are interested in debate. Cheers.
 
Backlash against psychic Sylvia Browne

Somehow, I don't think the media gets it. There should be quotes around "psychic," because this very example proves she isn't.

"Berry's family is still supporting her [Browne]." WTF?

Sylvia's comment: "Only God is right all the time."

I have news for you, Syl. God has about as good a track record as you do, and you're both miserable failures.
 
Stomatopoda said:
Which god is she referring to? It surely can't be this one, right...?
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The popularity of mediums among people of Christian beliefs has always surprised me, given the injunctions against consulting them.

Nay_Sayer said:
At long last i find the kernel to your problem, For you John never misses and no matter how much effort posters here put into illustrating the obvious con game he's pulling it is to no avail.
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Yes. It's a pattern you see in many victims of conmen.



ynot said:
Thanks, but the point is performing parlour tricks doesn’t prove a communication with dead people and I can’t think of a single reason why believers think it does (other than they want it to).
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The essential Achilles' heel of the victims is precisely that-the desire to believe the scam is real.
 
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Speaking of Sylvia Browne, here's Fox News take on the subject
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...under-fire-for-telling-amanda-berrys-mom-was/

Apparently, SB claims her gifts are genetic. Could this be what Dawkins meant by the Selfish Gene?
"...Earlier this year, Browne told FOX411's Pop Tarts column that she has had her “spirit guide” for 70 years, and that her “God-given gift” is simply in her DNA.

“I was just born this way. Why did Beethoven create symphonies and everything? Why did he play the piano when he was three years old? I was just born with this,” she said. “My grandmother was and my mother was and my son is, and we go back three hundred years. It may be a genetic thing.”
 
Robin1 said:
Not inclined to agree with you there...no true medium would ever participate in Randi's challenge.
Most of my "Top ten reasons why JE won't participate in the million dollar challenge" can be applied to other real mediums as well.
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Well, apart from the fact she accepted the challenge, and has just failed to follow through, there are mediums who have already participated in the challenge ... though I suspect the definition of 'true' may be debated. I'm not the only ex-psychic who came to this forum, for example, intending to try the challenge.

Pixel42 said:
As several self deluded self proclaimed psychics like Patricia Putt have. It's only the ones who know perfectly well that they are frauds, like Browne and Edward, who make pathetic excuses to avoid doing so.
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Yup.
 
chillzero said:
Well, apart from the fact she accepted the challenge, and has just failed to follow through, there are mediums who have already participated in the challenge ... though I suspect the definition of 'true' may be debated. I'm not the only ex-psychic who came to this forum, for example, intending to try the challenge.


Yup.
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You're an ex-psychic?? You mean you truly believed you had psychic ability at one time and then later on realized you didn't? Why did you think you had the ability? What could you do? Can you give an example? What made you realize you didn't have the ability? How long in between was that? Could I possibly ask any more questions?

And I totally understand if you don't want to answer any of the questions!!
I just find it really interesting.
 
Robin1 said:
You're an ex-psychic?? You mean you truly believed you had psychic ability at one time and then later on realized you didn't? Why did you think you had the ability? What could you do? Can you give an example? What made you realize you didn't have the ability? How long in between was that? Could I possibly ask any more questions?

And I totally understand if you don't want to answer any of the questions!!
I just find it really interesting.
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As many posters here know, I have no problem discussing it at all. Many of the older threads are lost, unfortunately.

It is off topic for this thread, however.

My point was not about myself, but to correct you on your comment that psychics won't take the challenge. Some have. Some intended to and found out why it is pointless.

Sylvia Browne agreed to, and then realised how much damage that would do to her because she could only fail. She had laid down a claim that she had more than 80% accuracy, and refused to support that claim. She knows.
 
zeggman said:
It is not against the law to lie to grieving family members.
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It is is you take money for it...its call fraud!!

  • Wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain.
  • A person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.
Browne claimed to have spoken with the spirit of the Amanda Berry.

She lied!!
 
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