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Merged Sylvia Browne: "You'll meet her (Amanda Berry) in heaven" / Sylvia Browne wrong again

RSLancastr said:
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...and more than just the public - I was contacted by a journalist who is writing a piece about Browne' involvement in the case for The Gaurdian (UK) who wants an interview.
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I'm very happy to hear that, RSL.

Rolfe said:
...I'm also narked that Browne is being treated as the villain in this thread. She's a side-issue, or at least a different issue. These three kidnappers, slavers and very possibly child-murderers are the villains.

At least five pregnancies is the report, with only one surviving child. What happened when these women went into labour? ...
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I see your point.
I'm still trying to take in the horror of the reality of the events.
But even so, the damage made people who claim to communicate with the dead and specifically the hideous and gross example of Sylvia Browne is more or less the subject of this thread.

To be honest, last night I had nightmares about those kiddies.
 
chillzero said:
If she were, she'd have taken Randi's direct challenge to her years ago, glowing with the anticipation of proving him wrong.
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As several self deluded self proclaimed psychics like Patricia Putt have. It's only the ones who know perfectly well that they are frauds, like Browne and Edward, who make pathetic excuses to avoid doing so.
 
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Robin1 said:
Not inclined to agree with you there...no true medium would ever participate in Randi's challenge...
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I wouldn't know why not. If I had psychic abilities, I'd certainly jump at the chance to make the easiest million dollars of my life.
 
KatieG said:
I sent a link to Robert's page to all the TV stations in Portland and Eugene. I hope someone will pick up on this and expose her once again for the total *************** she is. Jail is too good for her.
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Yesterday I sent an e-mail to a radio talk show host here in Los Angeles, including a link to Robert's web site. He has been talking about the Amanda Berry case quite a bit so I hope he incorporates the Sylvia angle in tonight.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Semantics? You mean reality?

The difference between a murderer and a kidnapper is a real one.
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No, I meant semantics. For example, when Browne says a killer is named Robert, and he turns out to be a Fred, her followers don't trouble themselves too much about the discrepancy.
 
Rolfe said:
The threads have been split since I posted that. For the first two days, though, all discussion in SI&CE was forced into a thread that was being taken over by Sylvia. These posts are now in this thread.
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OIC.

I thought this was the merger of two threads both about Sylvia Browne. Didn't realize a thread about the kidnapping story in general had been merged in here as well. I don't think that ought to have happened. There's plenty other than the Talons to talk about with this story.
 
desertgal said:
No, I meant semantics. For example, when Browne says a killer is named Robert, and he turns out to be a Fred, her followers don't trouble themselves too much about the discrepancy.
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But that's not what's going on--and it's not the point I was making. Sylvia Browne's supporters are trying to claim a hit with her near-miss on the description of the perp. But she wasn't describing a kidnapper; she was describing a murderer. It's not a matter of semantics. In fact, I doubt she used either the word "kidnapper" or "murderer" (or "killer") on that infamous Montel show reading.

Her supporters who would claim a "hit" are ignoring a discrepancy between her reading and reality, not merely a discrepancy in semantics.
 
so you dont find the absolute irony in her being right, since the mom died before she was ever found and so now with the girl found its the only way she will ever see her again?
 
desertgal said:
No, I meant semantics. For example, when Browne says a killer is named Robert, and he turns out to be a Fred, her followers don't trouble themselves too much about the discrepancy.
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Well if you were a caring, sharing, loving spiritual person you would realise that Fred was obviously Robert in a past life.

ETA – Or Fred’s second name was Robert, or his son, brother, father, uncle, neighbour or someone he knew was Robert. If you don’t stop being a nasty, negative sceptic you will never see the truth.
 
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ScannerHead said:
so you dont find the absolute irony in her being right, since the mom died before she was ever found and so now with the girl found its the only way she will ever see her again?
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No, I find it despicable.
 
Robin1 said:
Not inclined to agree with you there...no true medium would ever participate in Randi's challenge.
Most of my "Top ten reasons why JE won't participate in the million dollar challenge" can be applied to other real mediums as well.
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Did you realize that Sylvia in fact twice agreed to take the JREF Challenge? Randi even waived the prelim for her, and would have given her the million after one 20 minute test (if she could do what she claimed, that is).

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Browne#James_Randi_and_the_.241.2C000.2C000_challenge
 
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ScannerHead said:
so you dont find the absolute irony in her being right, since the mom died before she was ever found and so now with the girl found its the only way she will ever see her again?
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It’s not irony when someone wins a Lotto prize – It’s merely dumb luck. The more tickets/guesses you have, the more dumb luck you have.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
But that's not what's going on--and it's not the point I was making. Sylvia Browne's supporters are trying to claim a hit with her near-miss on the description of the perp. But she wasn't describing a kidnapper; she was describing a murderer. It's not a matter of semantics. In fact, I doubt she used either the word "kidnapper" or "murderer" (or "killer") on that infamous Montel show reading.

Her supporters who would claim a "hit" are ignoring a discrepancy between her reading and reality, not merely a discrepancy in semantics.
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I was speaking generally, not to this specific case, and in fact, in almost all cases, her supporters ignore both. I do see your point, though, and agree with you.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
OIC.

I thought this was the merger of two threads both about Sylvia Browne. Didn't realize a thread about the kidnapping story in general had been merged in here as well. I don't think that ought to have happened. There's plenty other than the Talons to talk about with this story.
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It's a bit complicated. When Amanda was freed, two threads were started in SI&CE - one on the case itself, and one on Browne. At the same time, this thread was bumped in GS&tP, for obvious reasons.

I reported the Browne thread in SI&CE and suggested it be merged with this one. What actually happened was that it was merged with the thread about the release of Amanda Berry, with Browne's name now in the merged title. I reported it again and suggested this wasn't a very good move, but that report was ignored.

Then a second thread about Browne's role in the affair was started here in GS&tP. I reported that and suggested it be merged with this one (probably others did too), and that was done. Still, however, the merged thread in SI&CE was covering both issues. If you were interested in the Browne angle you had to follow two threads, and if you were interested in the case itself, you had to wade through a lot of necromancer crap.

This went on for well over 48 hours. I wasn't going to report it again, because I assumed when my second report was ignored, this would only incur the ire of the mods. But suddenly the threads were split again, with the original thread about the case being recreated by splitting out these posts, and the posts about Browne moved here.

Glory hallelujah. However, it took so long for it to happen that the conversations are now very fragmented, as they were going on separately for more than two days. And some of my whining about the situation has ended up in a place where it seems incongruous.

Ho hum.

Rolfe.
 
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The comments on the Guardian article are almost all critical of Browne.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/07/sylvia-browne-amanda-berry-cleveland?commentpage=1

I found this one particularly interesting.

sandyra
09 May 2013 3:22pm

@locka99 - @neil98 - Like most conmen she probably considers her marks as stupid, gullible and deserving of being conned. It's their fault in other words.

Yes, this is exactly what her ex-husband said about her. He said she admitted it to him.
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I was about to ask where this was documented, but I discovered Stop Sylvia is back up (yay!), and I think this is where it's discussed.

http://www.stopsylvia.com/articles/interview_dufresnes.shtml

Dufresne: [overlapping] "... tarot. Tarot cards were popular at that time, and when we would have parties - I was with the staff of the fire department at that time - she would do these readings for people who wanted to hear it. And there were a few guys, and certainly their wives, and you know, and... that brings a good point out that I think that sums up a lot of Sylvia. One night after one of these parties when she was particularly putting out all the garbage that she does - just like her readings now, right off the top of her head this stuff comes, no thought, no thought of anything else. Umm, I said to her as we were washing dishes and she was wiping or whatever, I said "Sylvia, how can you tell people this kind of stuff? You know it's not true, and some of these people actually are probably going to believe that." And she said - and I won't put it exactly the word that she said but she said - but "Screw 'em. Anybody who believes this stuff oughtta be taken." And that pretty much sums up Sylvia's philosophy about the psychic stuff. And it's carried over, you know, into her, quote, uh... fraudulent career."


Just thought I'd put this up since I was already half-way through the post and others might find it interesting.
 
Robin1 said:
I would answer, but I am fearful you will think I am attempting to CRAM my beliefs down your throat.

Now, back to Sylvia Browne...
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Yes, back to her. I'm getting a C word, a hard C . . .
 
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