False, Noah did not have sex with his daughters, although he did have a vineyard, and drank too much one day and fell asleep naked. Actually a story like this increases the chances of the truth of the Noah story since it is an unlikely invention concerning a man God had found favor with.
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Biblical Flood? Fish, squid, and shrimp fossils in the mountains of Lebanon and Peru
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smartcooky
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Of course its relevant. DOC is arguing for the Noachian Flood, and by association, for the veracity and historical accuracy of the OT bible.
Many years ago, I read a fascinating archaeoastronomy book by George Michanowsky called "The Once and Future Star" in which the author noted that both the Sumerians and Assyrians recorded the sudden appearance of a "giant star" (which they dedicated to their god "Ea") in the constellation of Vela. This giant star seems most likely to have been the explosion of a massive Supernova observed about 11,000 years ago, which resulted in the Vela Supernova remanant and the Vela Pulsar we observe to this day. He proposed that this observation may have "kick-started" civilization. For me, reading his book was the first time I realized that there may have been an actual basis for Flood myth.
Discussion of possible alternative "non-divine" sources for biblical stories like the Flood myth is both interesting and thought provoking, at least I find it so. I enjoy the speculation on how the various stories in ancient texts such as the two bible testaments, the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Qu'ran might have come about; ancient peoples, unable to understand what they saw, passing down oral stories and depicting them on stone tablets down through the generations.
If you limited the discussion to the words on the OP's post title, no thread would last more than a few posts.
Well DOC clearly (and IMO wrongly) thinks they are.
Although he refuses to come right out and say it, he is very obviously a proponent of Young Earth theory.
Now if you want to attack the proposal that marine fossils found in Lebabon and Peru are proof/evidence for the biblical flood, there isn't just one way to go about it, for example
1. you can try to prove that the fossils didn't get where they are due to a flood
2. You an try to prove that the fossils are much older than the time of the claimed flood.
3. you can try to show that the flood never happened, or if it did, that it was local and has origins other than God's wrath.
Each of these are valid arguments in their own right, and deserve to be discussed.
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This thread is not about my opinions. It's about the facts and logical thinking regarding those facts.
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Gawdzilla Sama
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No I haven't.
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That's no way to increase the population. There were so few people that every sperm was sacred.
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Interesting.
It's also a fact that Noah is paralleled by DeucalionWP, whose name 'comes from δεύκος déucos, a variant of γλεύκος, "gleucos", "sweet new wine, must, sweetness"[5] + ἁλιεύς haliéus "sailor, seaman, fisher"'-
Oddly enough the curse of Noah's is often used as a justification for slavery, DOC. Did you know that?
Drunkeness also figures in the Ugaritic story of El and his three sons.
Curious, don't you think?
You can read more about that story here
http://inamidst.com/stuff/notes/feast
Are the fossils in Peru allegedly 85 million years old or the material surrounding them that estimated age. Remember the link that said carbon dating is not reliable for marine life. IF the actual fish is 85 million, true, that would not be related to a local flood in the middle East.
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DOC: why do you continue to repeat the lie that the Cretaceous fossils were carbon-dated? Is this why you decline to assert your understanding of the chronology?
Nor does your repeated lie about "carbon dating" answer the question: What do Cretaceous fossils at altitude in Peru have to do with a Holocene fludde locally confined to Mesopotamia?
Eschew the habitual bullshark and answer the questions.
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How would the fossils be younger than the material surrounding them?
Are you accepting that at least some parts of the earth are 85 million years old?
Remember how you are the only one who keeps inserting "carbon" before "dating"?
Do you have any reason to believe the fish is not 85 million years old?
Are you now accepting that the flood in the Middle East, that likely gave rise to the story of Noah (via the story of Gilgamesh) was a local one?
I guess people will always cherry pick and interpret verses to fit their political desires or debating tactics.
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Things Satan planted, with God's permission, to lead us into sin, of course.
For example if a ray or squid, fell into a pool of water located in a mountain crevice during a flood and were later quickly covered during a volcano, earthquake, or landslide. The surrounding material could be millions of years older than the actual marine life.
I saw a documentary on octopus and it's amazing how narrow a opening a they can fit through.
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