Biblical Flood? Fish, squid, and shrimp fossils in the mountains of Lebanon and Peru

[Cheesy One]

Here is what really happend:

 

[tsig]

Animal migration proves the flud

That was a good read, Craig B.

Still, Doctor Dave does have a whole slew of fascinating articles.
While the Green River Shales one WAS good, I think you'll agree the one about how Noah gathered the animals gives it a run for the money.
http://www.icr.org/article/how-did-noah-gather-animals/


Then there's the one about the Columbia River Basalts
"Occurring in layers stratigraphically below the Columbia River Basalts are thick layers of water-deposited, fossil-bearing, sedimentary rock, obviously deposited by the Flood itself. "
http://www.icr.org/article/were-huge-columbia-river-basalts-formed-flood/

From the first link:

The Flood story, however, is not merely natural, it involves the supernatural. The Creator was moving to preserve His creation. Might it not be appropriate to propose that, as the Flood was nearing, He instilled in a chosen pair of each "kind" a sense of impending doom and a desire to migrate to Noah and his Ark for preservation? All other representatives of their kind perished in the Flood, and all living representatives descended from the chosen pairs, inheriting the premonition and migration instincts.

That's punching that "E" in JREF right in the eye.

 

[Dinwar]

That was a good read, Craig B.

Still, Doctor Dave does have a whole slew of fascinating articles.
While the Green River Shales one WAS good, I think you'll agree the one about how Noah gathered the animals gives it a run for the money.
http://www.icr.org/article/how-did-noah-gather-animals/


Then there's the one about the Columbia River Basalts
"Occurring in layers stratigraphically below the Columbia River Basalts are thick layers of water-deposited, fossil-bearing, sedimentary rock, obviously deposited by the Flood itself. "
http://www.icr.org/article/were-huge-columbia-river-basalts-formed-flood/

Has anyone told him that the Neptunist X Plutonist ended in the XVIII century?

My thoughts exactly. Then there's Gerta Keller's stuff on the age of various flood basalts, which shows pretty clearly that fossilierous material can interfinger with such igneous deposits. Hard to have the fossiliferous stuff deposited after the flood, when it's below, on top, and in the middle of the igneous rocks!

 

[Garrette]

When startled squids disappear in a cloud of ink much like some posters do.

I read it as "cloud of irk" which made me laugh.

 

[Sideroxylon]

From the first link:

The Flood story, however, is not merely natural, it involves the supernatural. The Creator was moving to preserve His creation. Might it not be appropriate to propose that, as the Flood was nearing, He instilled in a chosen pair of each "kind" a sense of impending doom and a desire to migrate to Noah and his Ark for preservation? All other representatives of their kind perished in the Flood, and all living representatives descended from the chosen pairs, inheriting the premonition and migration instincts.

That's punching that "E" in JREF right in the eye.

That may have been a dandy tale when the known world didn't include the Americas and Australasia. Then there is the problem of getting home again and not hanging around the point of disembarkation or leaving populations along the way to ensure species distributions, present and recorded, have the appearance of having evolved there and not having all gotten off the Ark in eastern Anatolia before radiating out. A cunning plan indeed. Had me fooled.

 

[Correa Neto]

Dinwar, you know those collumns in basalts are actually basalt crystals precipitaded from water, don't you?

Its the latest Neptunistic buzz...

 

[Dinwar]

Dinwar, you know those collumns in basalts are actually basalt crystals precipitaded from water, don't you?

Its the latest Neptunistic buzz...

Must be some pretty wild chemistry out there! Probably all the spicy food....

To be fair, somewhere in south-central Colorado is a bit of basalt that has ripple marks. Really weird. It's hard to get basalt to flow over such delicate structures without destroying them.

 

[Lucian]

From the first link:

The Flood story, however, is not merely natural, it involves the supernatural. The Creator was moving to preserve His creation. Might it not be appropriate to propose that, as the Flood was nearing, He instilled in a chosen pair of each "kind" a sense of impending doom and a desire to migrate to Noah and his Ark for preservation? All other representatives of their kind perished in the Flood, and all living representatives descended from the chosen pairs, inheriting the premonition and migration instincts.

That's punching that "E" in JREF right in the eye.

"The Creator was moving to preserve His creation"?! The Creator needs a good dictionary--I'm pretty sure "preserve" and "annihilate" are not synonyms.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

"The Creator was moving to preserve His creation"?! The Creator needs a good dictionary--I'm pretty sure "preserve" and "annihilate" are not synonyms.

They're homophones.

 

[Correa Neto]

Must be some pretty wild chemistry out there! Probably all the spicy food....

To be fair, somewhere in south-central Colorado is a bit of basalt that has ripple marks. Really weird. It's hard to get basalt to flow over such delicate structures without destroying them.

Not so crazy if placed in the correct context - when Neptunists ruled the Earth. Science was not what it is nowadays and some things we now know are impossible were not considered as being so. Remember, collumnar joints are prisms with six faces, just like beryl and quartz crystals. And back then, petrographic microscopes were not exactly a common tool... So, knowing an aphanitic basalt is composed by countless tiny microscopic crystals would most likely be a no-go. But nowadays, its just plain crazy and yet its embedded within the basalt being precipitated from the flood waters as proposed at Pakeha's linkie thingie.

The good thing is that this is a testable thing. So, I dare any YEC to precipitate basalt from water, thus proving me -and the bulk of the geological knowledge- wrong.

 

[GlennB]

Here is what really happend:

http://paulatohlinecalhoun1951.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/wiley-noah.gif

I suspect that that's not too far from the truth.

Noah lived in flat marshy land that was prone to flooding. He built a raft capable of protecting his family and some breeding stock from the worst of it ....

Next thing you know Robin Hood is splitting the arrow and swinging across The Great Hall on a rope to save Maid Marian from the evil clutches of the Sheriff of Nottingham.

 

[pakeha]

...It really hard not to conclude YEC are dishonest when debating their beliefs.

I have to agree with you there.
That link of Craig B's give another take on this

... For another, and amusing, take on these shales, see http://atheists.org/content/rock-ages-and-age-rocks which has a paragraph or two on the problems these formations present for creationists.

 

[Lucian]

I suspect that that's not too far from the truth.

Noah lived in flat marshy land that was prone to flooding. He built a raft capable of protecting his family and some breeding stock from the worst of it ....

Next thing you know Robin Hood is splitting the arrow and swinging across The Great Hall on a rope to save Maid Marian from the evil clutches of the Sheriff of Nottingham.

I have got to reread Genesis; it sounds much more exciting than I remember.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Lets not forget that god created rainbows after this flood as a promise to never kill by global flood again. This implies that somehow light refraction didn't exist prior to the great flood.

No, there was no rain before Ye Floode.

 

[Akhenaten]

I have got to reread Genesis; it sounds much more exciting than I remember.

I believe you may be headed for Disappointment City, but you've got me thinking about the great service we here could do for future generations by collaborating on a JREF Revised Version of the Bible.

 

[Lucian]

I believe you may be headed for Disappointment City, but you've got me thinking about the great service we here could do for future generations by collaborating on a JREF Revised Version of the Bible.

An excellent idea.

 

[Cheesy One]

That would be very interesting to read, certainly more enlightening. I also approve.

 

[Slowvehicle]

That would be very interesting to read, certainly more enlightening. I also approve.

I'm in.

 

[GeneMachine]

They're homophones.

Close to each other on the keyboard...

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Close to each other on the keyboard...

Keys not touching...