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Janadele said:
Scriptures are divinely inspired written records of God's messages to humanity. Such authoritative writings cannot be interpreted and applied by human intellect alone...Spiritual understanding is needed and required.

God speaks to mankind through Prophets, Apostles and through specific events. Scriptures progress in depth of meaning according to the understanding and worthiness of the recipients. Though given at different times and places, the core teachings are essentially the same.

The Bible is a record of a branch of the Lord's people at times and places separate from those of The Book of Mormon. Prophets who taught of Christ were called from among The Book of Mormon people for over a millennium.

The Book of Mormon recounts the stories and history of small Israelite groups led by Lehi and Mulek and brought by the hand of the Lord from ancient Jerusalem to the American continent approximately 600 BC. it is they who are the principal ancestors of modern Native Americans, the indigenous peoples of Central and South America, and much of Polynesia.


or click on this link: http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng
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This is incorrect.
 
GT/CS said:
That's why the LDS 'church' is going against it's founding principal by changing what Joseph Smith wrote. They believe he transcribed God's words so there is no reason to change it. As soon as they change one word they prove JS was just a con artist and a liar.
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And they can't fall back on the copout excuse most older religions use, that the writers are "incomplete" and "have been translated over and over" and therefore have to be "intepreted."
 
deaman said:
I guess what irks me in this whole religious business is the putting off of responsibility on a god or a prophet.

They will tell you how to act, no thinking invloved. For the low price of only 10% (or more) of your yearly income!

They will collect your tithe, no thinking involved. For the low price of only 10% (or more) of your yearly income!

Justice will be sorted out later. No thinking invloved. For the low price of only 10% (or more) of your yearly income!

Rewards will be given for beliving in things which don't exist. No real thought involved. For the low price of only 10% (or more) of your yearly income!

My prayers will be answered if I am worthy. No responsibiliy at all. For the low price of only 10% (or more) of your yearly income!

The whole world will turn just for me, me me me! For the low price of only 10% (or more) of your yearly income!
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Bold mine
 
desertgal said:
Hey! They have tassles!
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dafydd said:
Does Yahweh have droit de seigneur?
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RandFan said:
These good Mormons will have physical bodies but will have spiritual children. How does a god and goddess have spiritual children? What is the mechanism? I'm sure it starts out like this:

When a mommy god and daddy god love each other very much...

(I know, I'm going to mourn for that)
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Jon. said:
Ask Mary and Joseph.;)
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tsig said:
They were brothers in the spirit.
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This thread is becoming distinctly full of win.
 
Empress said:
Yahweh created the earth (and our entire universe). Prior to that he was a mortal man in his universe, and was such a good person that he ended up in the celestial kingdom and was raised to godhood status. Good Mormons in this life will end up the same way and become gods and goddesses themselves and perpetuate the situation.

Note that this is where the polygamous aspect of Mormonism still holds on. A good Mormon man (the ones that make it to our celestial kingdom) can have multiple wives in the afterlife. He will then be a god, but Yahweh will be over him, just as the god that created Yahweh remains over Yahweh. Gods all the way back.
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And this is why most Christians consider the LDS to be a heretical cult. That clashes with the standard Christian idea that God is Eternal and Ominpotent. I have a low opinion of that also, but you can see the difference between Mormon theology and Standard Christian theology when it comes to the nature of God. They might both be nonsense, but different nonsense,and to the believers, very important nonsense.
 
dudalb said:
And this is why most Christians consider the LDS to be a heretical cult. That clashes with the standard Christian idea that God is Eternal and Ominpotent. I have a low opinion of that also, but you can see the difference between Mormon theology and Standard Christian theology when it comes to the nature of God. They might both be nonsense, but different nonsense,and to the believers, very important nonsense.
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Indeed. It's a very sacrilegious view by most Christians. The idea that mortals can become gods goes against everything that most religious people embrace.

Even odder compared to standard Christianity, Mormonism at one point held that Adam was god. They've backed off that one, and claim it was said by a prophet (JS? BY? Both? Can't remember.) speaking as a man, not as a prophet, but IIRC it was said in a general conference which is very much a prophet acting as prophet.

So at least some Mormons believed that god created the Garden of Eden and lived in it as Adam, but also apparently visited himself there. Pretty clear why they backed off that one, b/c that is utterly moronic, even by Mormon standards. Which is saying something.
 
dudalb said:
And this is why most Christians consider the LDS to be a heretical cult. That clashes with the standard Christian idea that God is Eternal and Ominpotent. I have a low opinion of that also, but you can see the difference between Mormon theology and Standard Christian theology when it comes to the nature of God. They might both be nonsense, but different nonsense,and to the believers, very important nonsense.
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In many ways I think the Mormon concept an improvement over the traditional fare. I always thought the idea of living forever and just worshiping god was kinda dumb and lacking in imagination. But Mormon ideas are new wine into old bottles (LUKE 5:37).
 
Empress said:
So at least some Mormons believed that god created the Garden of Eden and lived in it as Adam, but also apparently visited himself there. Pretty clear why they backed off that one, b/c that is utterly moronic, even by Mormon standards. Which is saying something.
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Of course Christ talking to himself and trying to negotiate with himself through prayer to his self via his father, and even visiting himself twice in different personages (God the Father and the Holy Ghost) is perfectly reasonable. ;)
 
Janadele said:
...The Book of Mormon recounts the stories and history of small Israelite groups led by Lehi and Mulek and brought by the hand of the Lord from ancient Jerusalem to the American continent approximately 600 BC. it is they who are the principal ancestors of modern Native Americans, the indigenous peoples of Central and South America, and much of Polynesia. ...
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Polynesia?
Is this official LDS doctrine?
 
RandFan said:
In many ways I think the Mormon concept an improvement over the traditional fare. I always thought the idea of living forever and just worshiping god was kinda dumb and lacking in imagination. But Mormon ideas are new wine into old bottles (LUKE 5:37).
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Also, and I know this has been mentioned, but at least Mormons believe you have to live a good life, not just mumble "I accept Jesus as my personal savior" on your deathbed and you're good to go, having just raped and murdered your way through life. On the other hand, someone who has lived an admirable, decent life gets jack b/c they have the audacity to not believe in Christians' favorite god. Pretty horrible idea, imo, so I stick with the Mormons on that one.

RandFan said:
Of course Christ talking to himself and trying to negotiate with himself through prayer to his self via his father, and even visiting himself twice in different personages (God the Father and the Holy Ghost) is perfectly reasonable. ;)
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Ha. Touche. :)
 
Empress said:
...Mormonism at one point held that Adam was god.
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Such has never been LDS Doctrine.

The references made by Brigham Young regarding Adam were not referring to Michael, who was the "Adam" for our earth.
There is not just one Adam or one earth.
 
Janadele said:
Such has never been LDS Doctrine.

The references made by Brigham Young regarding Adam were not referring to Michael, who was the "Adam" for our earth.
There is not just one Adam or one earth.
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Didn't Brigham Young have this to say on the matter:
When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken—HE is our FATHER and our GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do.
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I cannot quite square that with what you posted. You had no trouble accepting the racism Brigham Young introduced into the LDS Church. Why the problem with this?
 
Janadele said:
Such has never been LDS Doctrine.

The references made by Brigham Young regarding Adam were not referring to Michael, who was the "Adam" for our earth.
There is not just one Adam or one earth.
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I have been patiently hoping that you would ever answer my question about when, in your opinion, the "Eve" and "adam" of this world existed?

Or my question about when, in your opinion, the global flood of this world took place?

For that matter, you could still step up and provide that list of anachronisms from the BoM that have been demonstrated, by practical, empirical, physical evidence, attested to by neutral sources, to have existed in the pre-Colombian Americas...
(I have been listening to Guns, Germs, and Steel in the truck.)
 
jsfisher: Yes, Michael helped to organise this earth under the direction of Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father, and had progressed to possess the authority to lead us with power and righteousness in the pre mortal war against Lucifer. Yes, Michael is the Adam of this earth and therefore our mortal ancestor. The Godhead of this earth comprises of our Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. There is really no need for those who do not accept LDS Scriptures to delve into the depths of Eternal Laws that Brigham Young was conversant and familiar with. The fundamental teachings and Doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are contained in the authorised LDS Scriptures.
 
Janadele said:
There is really no need for those who do not accept LDS Scriptures to delve into the depths of Eternal Laws that Brigham Young was conversant and familiar with.
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I agree with you. They're just too goofy and stupid for those who aren't indoctrinated to believe in that kind of nonsense.

So, are Negroes "white and delightsome"? YES or NO.
 
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