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Empress said:
Just bits of it (there really isn't a lot of it IIRC), but enough to know that the Mormon/JS version of the Bible is really just the KJV with a few word changes. Mormons believe literally in the Genesis creation account (or both accounts, I guess I should say) and believe that Yahweh created this universe. His gods created his universe before him where Yahweh went through his trials of being a man and then being raised to god status.

It's just turtles all the way back.
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So Yahweh was a good Mormon man before he got goded?

Wonder if god's world went thru Jesus, the truth being lost and a Joe Smith looking thru his hat to recover it?

I have a feeling those questions would get me banned on a Mormon forum.
 
tsig said:
So Yahweh was a good Mormon man before he got goded?

Wonder if god's world went thru Jesus, the truth being lost and a Joe Smith looking thru his hat to recover it?

I have a feeling those questions would get me banned on a Mormon forum.
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Yep, and thinking that "Yahweh" and "good" are synonymous shows what low moral standards Mormons have. Completely evil deity, and if that's their idea of good, I'll stay as far away as possible, thanks.

Can't say for sure, but I believe their religion holds that every god has his Jesus to bring salvation to the rest of god's offspring. Don't know why they can't mix it up a bit and just have a decent god that doesn't require the freak laws that makes everything sinful, but I suppose that's where the Eternal Law idea comes in.

As for a Joe Smith and his magic hat in every universe, I can't say, but it wouldn't surprise me, frankly.
 
Akhenaten said:
Neither. It's a completely new fairytale.

More of a 'tribute' than a 'cover'.
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I understand that but does it act as a tribute to both or one or the other?
Since they believe Jesus visited America I assume Smith added some of the new testament into the BOM?

Looks like I may need to 'borrow' one out of a Marriott one of these days and read the insufferable thing.
 
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GT/CS said:
I understand that but does it act as a tribute to both or one or the other?
Since they believe Jesus visited America I assume Smith added some of the new testament into the BOM?

Looks like I may need to 'borrow' one out of a Marriott one of these days and read the insufferable thing.
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IIRC, it incorporates parts if both old and new, so it's kind of a fanfic based on the whole canon. I don;t recommend reading it unless you need a solution to insomnia.
 
GT/CS said:
I understand that but does it act as a tribute to both or one or the other?
Since they believe Jesus visited America I assume Smith added some of the new testament into the BOM?
Looks like I may need to 'borrow' one out of a Marriott one of these days and read the insufferable thing.
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Yes and since the NT wasn't written yet in BoM times it looks a bit fishy.


It has been noted that the Book of Mormon exhibits word-for-word similarities with portions of the Bible that did not exist in Book of Mormon times (both post-exile parts of the Old Testament as well as sections of the New Testament). For example, in 1 Corinthians 13:4-7 Paul states:

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

In the Book of Mormon, Moroni 7:45 Mormon states:

And charity suffereth long, and is kind, and envieth not, and is not puffed up, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth not in iniquity but rejoiceth in the truth, beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Mormon_and_the_King_James_Bible
 
Empress said:
Yep, and thinking that "Yahweh" and "good" are synonymous shows what low moral standards Mormons have. Completely evil deity, and if that's their idea of good, I'll stay as far away as possible, thanks.

Can't say for sure, but I believe their religion holds that every god has his Jesus to bring salvation to the rest of god's offspring. Don't know why they can't mix it up a bit and just have a decent god that doesn't require the freak laws that makes everything sinful, but I suppose that's where the Eternal Law idea comes in.

As for a Joe Smith and his magic hat in every universe, I can't say, but it wouldn't surprise me, frankly.
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What a horrible view, the best we can hope for is to become a god creating our own universe so we can make exactly the same mistakes that god did. Even the very gods have no free will in Mormondom but are bound to the wheel as surely as the lowest of creatures.
 
Please expound on the theory that the new testament did not exist in BOM times? In particular, what do you mean by 'BOM times'?

Thanks
 
I think he's saying that at the time the stories in the BOM were supposed to have taken place, the new testament was not yet conceived of, nor put together.

Maybe?
 
Janadele said:
Consider this statement made by President Eyring during the Saturday morning session of General Conference:

“I am a witness of the resurrection of the Lord...
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So is President Eyring claiming to be somewhere in the neighbourhood of 2000 years of age?
 
GT/CS said:
Please expound on the theory that the new testament did not exist in BOM times? In particular, what do you mean by 'BOM times'?

Thanks
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deaman said:
I think he's saying that at the time the stories in the BOM were supposed to have taken place, the new testament was not yet conceived of, nor put together.

Maybe?
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Yes. tsig is talking about the fact that the BOM is supposedly a written record about the migration of peoples from the Ancient Near East at about 600 BCE and goes at least until Jesus' visit to the New World to share the gospel (during the three days he was dead in the tomb prior to his resurrection) and what happened after his visit. It may continue on from there; I don't recall.

Clearly it would have been written prior to the writing and compilation of the NT, but regardless, it cribs directly from portions of it.

ETA: I don't think I wrote that very clearly. What I meant to say was that it was supposedly written not long after Jesus' death on gold plates and hidden in the ground. JS was then visited by an angel who told him where to find the plates. He translated what had been written centuries earlier. So the premise is that the BOM itself was written prior to the NT, not that JS "translated" it earlier than that.
 
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halleyscomet said:
Mormons have their own version of what Christians call "The Bible" so it's possible their version of the Creation account rectifies this discrepancy. Can anyone who has read the Mormon version of the Bible speak to this point?
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I did read the book of Mormon a long time ago, but we had a cold winter so I used it for kindling.

I'm sorry I can't be more help, but I wondered at the time: "It's cold. Why not throw this pulp fiction into the fire?"

If I had some Gideon Bibles, they would have gone into that wood stove at the same time.

HTH
 
GT/CS said:
Please expound on the theory that the new testament did not exist in BOM times? In particular, what do you mean by 'BOM times'?

Thanks
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Jaredite Dates with their locations and events (~2500 to ~130 BC) with very little in the way of detail between these major dates, and

Nephite/Lamanite Dates with their locations and events (~600 BC to ~421 AD) with quite a bit more detail in the dates, especially the ~200 years before the birth of Christ in Jerusalem.

http://www.ocii.com/~cmeek/BoM_Geog21.htm

Ninjaed by the Empress.:)
 
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Empress said:
Yes. tsig is talking about the fact that the BOM is supposedly a written record about the migration of peoples from the Ancient Near East at about 600 BCE and goes at least until Jesus' visit to the New World to share the gospel (during the three days he was dead in the tomb prior to his resurrection) and what happened after his visit. It may continue on from there; I don't recall.

Clearly it would have been written prior to the writing and compilation of the NT, but regardless, it cribs directly from portions of it.

ETA: I don't think I wrote that very clearly. What I meant to say was that it was supposedly written not long after Jesus' death on gold plates and hidden in the ground. JS was then visited by an angel who told him where to find the plates. He translated what had been written centuries earlier. So the premise is that the BOM itself was written prior to the NT, not that JS "translated" it earlier than that.
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Got it!

Thanks for your help.
 
GT/CS said:
Does the BOM cover both the old and new testaments?
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Scriptures are divinely inspired written records of God's messages to humanity. Such authoritative writings cannot be interpreted and applied by human intellect alone...Spiritual understanding is needed and required.

God speaks to mankind through Prophets, Apostles and through specific events. Scriptures progress in depth of meaning according to the understanding and worthiness of the recipients. Though given at different times and places, the core teachings are essentially the same.

The Bible is a record of a branch of the Lord's people at times and places separate from those of The Book of Mormon. Prophets who taught of Christ were called from among The Book of Mormon people for over a millennium.

The Book of Mormon recounts the stories and history of small Israelite groups led by Lehi and Mulek and brought by the hand of the Lord from ancient Jerusalem to the American continent approximately 600 BC. it is they who are the principal ancestors of modern Native Americans, the indigenous peoples of Central and South America, and much of Polynesia.

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Looks like I may need to 'borrow' one out of a Marriott one of these days and read ...
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or click on this link: http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm?lang=eng
 
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