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WTC Dust said:
I'm sure I know more about smell than anyone else here. Ground Zero stank.
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Sounds like this is the guy you're looking for:

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Here's a documentary about him and his cohorts:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0132347/
 
WTC Dust said:
On the day of 9/11, I knew that it was very unlikely that I would personally be the one who discovered what destroyed the WTC because, my background is in pharmacology, but to be truthful, I only studied pharmacology for five years. I studied chemistry for eleven years. My background is chemistry. Yeah, I specialized in the chemistry of biological processes, but whoopdeedoo. What I was doing every day was chemistry. Where I lacked a bit was physics, but I knew that my chemistry could play a role.

My knowledge of chemistry, especially, was a key aspect of my instant recognition that something was wrong about the plane crash story. What I see in the 9/11 videos as a chemist is a large amount of steel standing still...and then a large amount of various colors of gray material coming from the building. I've performed enough chemical reactions to know how things generally go, and things don't generally go like this in the laboratory.

In the laboratory, if you add any amount of jet fuel at atmospheric pressure to any amount of steel, and if you then light the jet fuel on fire, what you would get is a short lived fire and warmed, solid steel, with most of its strength. Yes, heating the steel up to the maximum combustion temperature would have resulted in some decrease in material strength of the steel, but not much.

But that is not the first thought I had. The first thought I had was, "Where did all this dust come from?" I was not on Manhattan on the day of 9/11. I was traveling back to Manhattan from a road trip. When I got to Delaware, I did not expect to see the black horizon coming from very near the place where I lived on Bleecker Street. When I got out of the truck after ditching it in a parking garage near midtown, I did not expect to smell this particular smell.

Smell is chemistry. As a biologist I know about smells. I know how smells happen and what makes a smell. This particular smell was more than a smell. It was a painful feeling, and the smell that was attached to this painful feeling was unlike anything I'd ever smelled before. It didn't fit any of my smell categories. I now know that I was inhaling particles of iron, which caused the weird smell and the pain, but I didn't know that then. All I knew was that it wasn't a biological smell and that I could also smell the decaying human bodies. That was harsh. I'll never forget the smell of those bodies. That means that bits and pieces of the people that died entered my body, as did the powdered remains of the WTC.

The day I got home, I talked to two people who were caught up in the dust cloud. Neither one was burned.

Then 100 days later, I could still smell the unique WTC stench, so I had an additional data point. Whatever happened on 9/11/2001 didn't end on 9/11/2001. I could still smell it on 12/21/2001, 100 days later, as strong as in the first few days.

I swore I'd never stop searching for the correct answer to what happened on 9/11. I swore that nobody could ever change my mind that what I was smelling on day 100 was a normal office fire. But I didn't know that I'd eventually make real discoveries that ranked with the best in the world, which happened a few years ago when I discovered a large cache of WTC dust. That was somewhat lucky (if you consider 8 years of searching to be lucky).

On 9/11, I didn't think that I would make any important discoveries related to discovering the real weapon. But I knew I would recognize the correct answer if I ever encountered it. I had a rubric that would identify correct and even partially correct answers.

Whatever destroyed the WTC it:
1. was not an extremely hot process, and
2. produced fumes that were resistant to fire fighting efforts and occasionally heavy rain for at least 100 days.

Anyone who suggested a mechanism of WTC destruction had to fulfill these criteria, or they were wrong. Which is why I knew Steven Jones was wrong as soon as I read about his thermite theory, and why I'm not convinced that Judy Wood is wrong (because her mechanism doesn't require heat). She has not yet explained the long lasting nature of the WTC fumes, but I can't fault her for that, because neither have I. My work continues.
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You have yet to demonstrate that you have any knowledge of chemistry.
 
fitzgibbon said:
Unless you're suggesting that the WTC buildings were biological entities, then biomedical science has nothing whatever to do with the collapse of the towers and your area of expertise is moot

Fitz
(not that that's every stopped you from posting wooo before)
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The people INSIDE the buildings were biological entities, and I could smell their bodies decaying. The WTC stench that lasted for 100 days was not the smell of dead bodies. It was something else that I now know was iron particles.
 
WTC Dust said:
I'm sure I know more about smell than anyone else here. Ground Zero stank.
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I once had to help clean up after a a fire in factory that made cardboard. Guess what, the place stank. Why are you back here, have you ran low on attention again?
 
WTC Dust said:
The people INSIDE the buildings were biological entities, and I could smell their bodies decaying. The WTC stench that lasted for 100 days was not the smell of dead bodies. It was something else that I now know was iron particles.
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Unless the "people INSIDE the buildings" caused the WTC buildings to collapse, what's your point (other than the whole mishmash of debris stunk)?

Fitz
 
Metal Has No Smell

By Amos Zeeberg (Discover Web Editor) | October 26, 2006 6:00 pm
So you know how if you’ve been handling coins you get that distinctive whiff of metal? Or how the water from the fountain in the back end of your elementary school tasted pretty much like the smell of those coins? You were wrong—metal has no smell.

According to a Nature news article about a recent study in the famous Angewandte Chemie Internation Edition, what we think of as the smell of metal is actually the smell of our own body. When we come into contact with metal, it catalyzes reactions among the slime of organic molecules that coats our bodies. When skin oils are exposed to iron and copper they can produce smelly aldehydes and ketones; for instance, touching iron can produce the ketone 1-octen-3-one, which has a mushroom-like, metallic odor (which, I’m guessing, can’t be good).
One thing (among many) that seems weird to me about this is that I could swear that I’ve smelled metal that hasn’t touched my skin or the skin of someone near me. Maybe it’s possible that someone touched it in the past and although they’re long gone, their fetid, decomposing skin oils linger on. Or maybe that’s an effect of being an animal—unlike, say a dog—that usually brings smellable items up to the nose rather than the other way around.

Googled " Does Iron smell" answer 0.22 seconds
 
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Sod any accepted analytical techniques to identify particles - just use Dusty's nose. Hey, Dusty how much does it cost to hire your nose and how many companies have you hired it out to?
 
Dear WTC Dust,

I have just one question:

Can you point us to one person, only one single person, in the entire world who believes you are actually onto something with your 9/11 research? Just one name? A link, quote, citiation would be nice, too.

If there is not one person living in the world today who gives a crap about your fantasies, why should anyone care and respond?
 
my background is in pharmacology, but to be truthful, I only studied pharmacology for five years. I studied chemistry for eleven years. My background is chemistry. Yeah, I specialized in the chemistry of biological processes, but whoopdeedoo. What I was doing every day was chemistry. Where I lacked a bit was physics, but I knew that my chemistry could play a role....
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Smell is chemistry. As a biologist I know about smells.
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And on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.

Based on your posts in another thread, I find these assertions difficult to believe.
 
fitzgibbon said:
Unless the "people INSIDE the buildings" caused the WTC buildings to collapse, what's your point (other than the whole mishmash of debris stunk)?

Fitz
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The WTC stench was a complex smell, made up of several distinct smells that varied in intensity over time.
 
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