Rolfe said:Seems to. I knew it was unarguable the minute I saw Sidhu's statement, but the rest of it certainly cements the conclusion.
Indeed. Sidhu’s statement, once realised together with Bedford and Sahota’s statements of the luggage positioning, completely undermines the whole prosecution theory and presents a number of unsustainable conclusions. This is also why I continue to find the defence’s stratagem at Zeist, who were in possession of this evidence, to be so infuriating.
The positioning of both of Michael Bernstein's cases is a bit odd, but then it's not necessarily reasonable to expect someone presumably wired to the moon in the process of setting up mass murder to do everything exactly as you'd expect.
The left-end-up position of the bomb suitcase is also slightly odd, which is maybe why they didn't get it. As LittleSwan said above, though, the condition of the Carlsson case supports that. Carlsson case damage is higher up than McKee case damage. Fancy being able to tell that much detail, but you actually can, once the arrangement of the suitcases is worked out.
It certainly appears that they weren’t getting it. However, I think it’s worth bearing in mind that Hayes clearly did give some consideration to the bomb suitcase on the floor when he postulated in Feb ‘89 that the remnant of the primary suitcase PI/911 had been supported by something substantial like the base floor - although he doesn’t seem to have considered that substantial support may have actually been from the weight of bags above. Nevertheless, the bag on the bottom layer was considered albeit seemingly briefly. And as pointed out, a cursory examination of Carlsson’s suitcase and damage to it would reinforce that conclusion. An examination of McKee’s lends further weight to this conclusion.
At the early stages not even the height should have presented an insurmountable problem being considered on the cusp of first and second layer. Of course, as things progressed, and after the Indian head tests, the height started to favour a position for the bag that was now unsustainable for it to be among the bottom layer.
I don't know. Blind spots happen. They were sitting there putting together AVE4041 jigsaw, and apparently doing it quite well. There's simply no sign that anyone even realised it was possible to put together suitcase jigsaw as well and get useful information out of it. I think if they had tried, we'd have evidence of them having tried.
It seems to me that they, like the detectives working on the same aspect, were hampered by not having been told about the nitty-gritty of Bedford's statements. The detectives at least appear to have known that the bottom-level suitcase was one of the ones loaded at Heathrow, but there's no sign anyone told them there was anything particularly suspicious about it.
They had all these suitcases and bits of suitcase, but there's no evidence they knew who owned any of them unless there were luggage labels on them. And even there, did they know who were the Frankfurt transfer passengers and who were the Heathrow interline passengers? It might have been difficult to know where to start without that.
Carlsson's case is interesting. The detectives couldn't get anyone to identify it as his, for absolutely ages. It's repeatedly hedged around with question marks in the baggage memos. There's a comment somewhere on the net about his girlfriend and his sister both declaring that what they were shown wasn't his. It's quite late on that the Presikhaaf is attributed to him, in Henderson's report, apparently identified by someone he had stayed with in Europe.
However, Carlsson's is the one case, of all of them, which can be positioned with 100% certainty from Bedford's evidence. We know exactly where it was, sitting upright almost immediately behind the IED. The minute you read Bedford's statement together with the flight arrivals data, you know that. Then last month when I finally saw that photo of the Presikhaaf, I could immediately see that's exactly where it had been. The direction it's been hit is unmistakeable. However, there's no note anywhere to suggest that anyone realised that. Complete absence of joined-up thinking.
As you are illustrating however, in reconstructing AVE4041, together with the detailed examinations of the fragments of suitcases that were being collected, and the photographs produced of the damage sustained to the suitcases, it would not/should not necessarily matter what you may or may not know about the luggage in the container and if it was legitimate or even was introduced in mysterious circumstances. Regardless, the evidence collected and examined clearly indicates an explosion occurred among the layer of luggage that corresponded with the damage on the lower sides and lower corners of at least two bags. A check on these bags probable positioning inside 4041 demonstrated in the baggage reconstructions in Jan would illustrate the prime candidate was whatever bag was on the lowest layer at the front left of AVE4041. Even the German’s had reached that conclusion by Jan 7th.
I appreciate the time it seems was taken to determine Carlsson’s case, but as you say, it also seems inconceivable that PK139 would sustain such damage if somewhat shielded by an innocent bag on the base as everyone was still asserting. The conclusion now produced in your document has been achieved in a fraction of the time these folk were taking and massively under-resourced in comparison to Rarde and the rest of the investigation.
I think that the entire thrust of the investigation was perfectly encapsulated by Leppard’s quote, when after some obvious deliberation and disquiet among the investigation, it was concluded after the Indian Head tests that ‘Kamboj was in the clear!’ Was he ever in the frame? Well it doesn’t ever really seem so, publicly at least. Perhaps however this belies the central concern of the investigation at this stage which indicates that the bag described by Bedford and apparently said to have been loaded by Kamboj into 4041, had been viewed as a very real potential culprit. So, unaccompanied or not, Samsonite or not, that bag seen by Bedford was most certainly thought to be by investigators and the Rarde guys at the Indian Head tests, of critical importance.
Who is "they", though? Who knew about the details of Bedford's statement? Just the same people who knew about Manly's statement, and buried it? Dixon took the statements, but he had nothing to do with the case, he just passed them to Lockerbie. Who saw these statements at Lockerbie, and buried them in Holmes without the important details appearing in any of the briefing summaries that were given to the Scottish cops?
John Orr, Stuart Henderson, possibly Harry Bell. I guess.
We're right, they're powerful. That's the difficult bit at the moment. But, they work for us, when you really get down to it. We pay their wages. There are certain checks and balances associated with that.
As to why all this happened in early 1989, I can think of at least four possible reasons, but none of them seems adequate to explain what was done. On the other hand, calling it a blind spot is even less credible.
If it was nothing but incompetence, why was the Bedford and Manly evidence buried quite so effectively? Why did Andrew Hardie try to get Bedford to back down in 1990? What the hell was going on with that letter the Met sent to Teddy Taylor in 1996, saying that the Met had investigated and conclusively ruled out Heathrow? That was a complete pack of lies.
Not our problem, really. It was done. We know more or less who did it. It's up to an independent inquiry to find out why.
I'm a bit hazy about whether John Orr is still alive. There may be two John Orrs. Hmmm. You can't defame the dead. But you can't make them talk either.
I agree that Hardie’s conduct at the FAI was wholly inappropriate and appears to be nothing other than an exercise attempting to undermine and cast significant doubt on Bedford’s evidence. Why would such strenuous efforts be made at a FAI to undermine an otherwise completely trustworthy recollection of baggage loaded at Heathrow? Perhaps this, just like Manly’s evidence, showed that Bedford’s evidence and notably the description of that bag, when presented in totality of all the evidence available, forms a pattern and picture that renders any argument against Bedford’s bag not being the bomb suitcase, utterly unsustainable?
Who is ‘they’? Yeah, at least those mentioned and likely a good few others. Not everyone would have been necessarily in a position to form a complete picture. But some undoubtedly would be aware that elements were being deliberately omitted and suppressed, and yet decided, for no doubt various reasons, to keep their council, turn a blind eye, felt pressurised to keep quiet, didn’t care, those whose prejudices it played right into and those pliant enough to ‘go along with it’. Perhaps like the Hillsborough report, the manipulation was more widespread that we might like to contemplate, and perhaps, quite rationally in light of the huge geopolitical ramifications involved with Lockerbie, reaches even further up the chain of government than that particular injustice seems to stretch to.
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